(04-04-2024, 03:55 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (04-04-2024, 01:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Wow
Yes, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a politician owing hundreds of millions of dollars to a shady business owner who is also a campaign contributor. There is no way that could ever be a bad thing. I'm sure no favors will ever be called in. No influence will ever be exerted.
All of your blustering about corruption and big money influence and you are too willfully ignorant to see the glaring red flags in this politically.
What a hypocrite.
Your are what a cultist looks like
Brainwashed sheep led to slaughter.
It was a pretty good post if I say so myself.
Thanks.
Who's the hypocrite? Literally every single politician is essentially bankrolled by a billionaire. In Hillary's email leaks, she straight up said to give Soros whatever he wants. Ooh... I said Soros, now you can call me a conspiracy theorist instead of addressing the point. You don't think Biden is beholden to his donors? Get the [BLEEP] out of here with your whiney double standard.
So what? Trump owes a billionaire money. Sure, Trump could end up in his pocket. You don't have proof. It's literally conjecture. It's a giant strawman and you're too haughty and ignorant to admit the truth of it.
At least you managed to get through a post without LOLing all over yourself.
HAHAHA!!!
I knew you didn't have jack [BLEEP] - but I thought you'd do better than "what about her emails?"
LOL
Whataboutisms
awesome defense
In this thread, we also learn that the left doesn't understand what a hypocrite is. I guess that's the advantage of being able to make up your own language on the fly.
(04-04-2024, 06:12 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]In this thread, we also learn that the left doesn't understand what a hypocrite is. I guess that's the advantage of being able to make up your own language on the fly.
You whine and moan about the influence of money on politicians ad nauseum but attempt to sweep it under the rug in this instance by saying "everybody owes some shady dude 300 million dollars, no big deal"
That makes you a hypocrite.
How is that difficult for you to grasp?
The reason lefties like to hold other people to their principles is because they don't have any themselves. It's a power play, and I don't play your games, dog.
You are the hypocrite and a fundamentally unprincipled person. You don't get to ad hominem a dude you don't know and throw out conjecture that Trump will be in his pocket while almost every other politician who has run for President in the last 20 years is doing the same thing. Billionaires control the race.
Look, I can't stand the idea of billionaires. I think they hurt American voices. But you're not going to bend me over a barrel because you are too dense to see that you're voting for people with the same issue you are trying to pretend is exclusive to Trump. They are liars like Trump. They are narcissists like Trump. They advocate for their own interests like Trump. The only thing that separates them is the backing of the establishment.
You show me a candidate who's not beholden to billionaires and they will get my vote, provided they put Americans first. I'll wait. Until then, I will support the person most opposed to the establishment.
(04-04-2024, 08:13 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]We need a beer summit.
Yes!! Alcohol and politics!!
No damage will ever come from that!!
I'm reserving VIP seating for this event, baby!! lolol
(04-04-2024, 07:43 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The reason lefties like to hold other people to their principles is because they don't have any themselves. It's a power play, and I don't play your games, dog.
You are the hypocrite and a fundamentally unprincipled person. You don't get to ad hominem a dude you don't know and throw out conjecture that Trump will be in his pocket while almost every other politician who has run for President in the last 20 years is doing the same thing. Billionaires control the race.
Look, I can't stand the idea of billionaires. I think they hurt American voices. But you're not going to bend me over a barrel because you are too dense to see that you're voting for people with the same issue you are trying to pretend is exclusive to Trump. They are liars like Trump. They are narcissists like Trump. They advocate for their own interests like Trump. The only thing that separates them is the backing of the establishment.
You show me a candidate who's not beholden to billionaires and they will get my vote, provided they put Americans first. I'll wait. Until then, I will support the person most opposed to the establishment.
We've had a good system.
The system is, billionaires who disagree with each other prop up at least two distinct candidates, and then they ask the proles to pick one.
It's crass, and the proles wish they had more choices, but the billionaires get what they want with the lowest cash investment/risk possible and the proles at least get a chance to veto some of the billionaires' worst ideas and agitate for bones like welfare and Obamacare to come down from above.
Your guy wants to remove the step where the proles get any meaningful say at all. They'll be free to vote, but he will ignore the votes if he doesn't win.
(04-03-2024, 07:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-03-2024, 06:35 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]So, you're saying that hyperbole is a great substitute for intellectual integrity. As long as it's the correct political opinion. Sounds great.
No, dip [BLEEP]
I'm calling you a disingenuous prick for trying to protect the rep of a criminal because you don't want to call Hankey a loan shark - even though he is absolutely a [BLEEP] loan shark
Having a whole building of enforcers that begin harassing "clients" when they are one day late on their 20% loan that should be 5% - threatening to come claim their assets from them is indeed the equivalent of a loan shark in the modern parlance.
But why should I be surprised that your mental midgetry required me to break it down like this??
[BLEEP] moron
You're consumed by your hatred of Trump to the extent that you're unable to look at the facts objectively. You call him a criminal, but what criminal offense has he been convicted of?
The commonly held definition of "loan shark" is an illegal lender, charging an exorbitant rate. Hankey's auto-finance company is legally established and operating. It charges rates that are average for the industry, among dozens of competing firms, Lending Tree, Capital One, AmeriCredit, etc. Are these companies also loan sharks?
The "enforcers" at these companies don't actually break legs, which is probably why they're just called collectors. Yes, their first contact is typically a phone call when payment is delinquent. Why is a collection call from them any different than a similar call from Bank of America or Wells Fargo?
Was the 5% figure a number you just pulled out of the air? In today's market commercial rates start at about 7.5%, even with an 800 FICO. FYI Wall Street Journal prime is currently 8.5%, yet you think these people should be at 5%? Here's a couple fun facts, 30%+ of sub-prime auto loans ultimately end up in repossession and 70% are driving without insurance. What do you think a fair interest rate is?
BTW, that 20% is an annual rate. If the finance company is a single day late making it's FICA withholding payment, the IRS assesses a 10% penalty. 10% for one day...............now that's what I would say qualifies as "loan shark"!
Trump had to get the money/bond from somebody, who would you have preferred? Would you feel better if Musk or Bezos had just written a check?
Nah. I'm down to hang out with others, though. I enjoy having talks while other people have a drink or two.
This thread demands a bowl of popcorn.
(04-04-2024, 09:04 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (04-03-2024, 07:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No, dip [BLEEP]
I'm calling you a disingenuous prick for trying to protect the rep of a criminal because you don't want to call Hankey a loan shark - even though he is absolutely a [BLEEP] loan shark
Having a whole building of enforcers that begin harassing "clients" when they are one day late on their 20% loan that should be 5% - threatening to come claim their assets from them is indeed the equivalent of a loan shark in the modern parlance.
But why should I be surprised that your mental midgetry required me to break it down like this??
[BLEEP] moron
You're consumed by your hatred of Trump to the extent that you're unable to look at the facts objectively. You call him a criminal, but what criminal offense has he been convicted of?
The commonly held definition of "loan shark" is an illegal lender, charging an exorbitant rate. Hankey's auto-finance company is legally established and operating. It charges rates that are average for the industry, among dozens of competing firms, Lending Tree, Capital One, AmeriCredit, etc. Are these companies also loan sharks?
The "enforcers" at these companies don't actually break legs, which is probably why they're just called collectors. Yes, their first contact is typically a phone call when payment is delinquent. Why is a collection call from them any different than a similar call from Bank of America or Wells Fargo?
Was the 5% figure a number you just pulled out of the air? In today's market commercial rates start at about 7.5%, even with an 800 FICO. FYI Wall Street Journal prime is currently 8.5%, yet you think these people should be at 5%? Here's a couple fun facts, 30%+ of sub-prime auto loans ultimately end up in repossession and 70% are driving without insurance. What do you think a fair interest rate is?
BTW, that 20% is an annual rate. If the finance company is a single day late making it's FICA withholding payment, the IRS assesses a 10% penalty. 10% for one day...............now that's what I would say qualifies as "loan shark"!
Trump had to get the money/bond from somebody, who would you have preferred? Would you feel better if Musk or Bezos had just written a check?
I already explained all of this.
You can hash out the semantics of business and lending ethics all you like. I don't need to do that to understand that making money off of others' misfortune is shady.
The guy is called a loan shark by his peers in the finance world because his business model is indeed the modern day equivalent. It is legal. It is also unethical and slimy as [BLEEP].
Third time I've had to hash this out in this thread.
I'll leave you guys to your echo chamber for a while. No one wants to hear a dissenting view around here.
It's no shock that this bothers no one, though.
25 rape allegations, 80 some odd felony charges, 12 failed businesses, hush money to porn stars, and flatly stating he wants to turn the presidency into a monarchy hasn't dissuaded his cult.
Why would owing a loan shark hundreds of millions of dollars change your mind?
And you question MY objectivity. LOL
(04-05-2024, 02:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-04-2024, 09:04 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]You're consumed by your hatred of Trump to the extent that you're unable to look at the facts objectively. You call him a criminal, but what criminal offense has he been convicted of?
The commonly held definition of "loan shark" is an illegal lender, charging an exorbitant rate. Hankey's auto-finance company is legally established and operating. It charges rates that are average for the industry, among dozens of competing firms, Lending Tree, Capital One, AmeriCredit, etc. Are these companies also loan sharks?
The "enforcers" at these companies don't actually break legs, which is probably why they're just called collectors. Yes, their first contact is typically a phone call when payment is delinquent. Why is a collection call from them any different than a similar call from Bank of America or Wells Fargo?
Was the 5% figure a number you just pulled out of the air? In today's market commercial rates start at about 7.5%, even with an 800 FICO. FYI Wall Street Journal prime is currently 8.5%, yet you think these people should be at 5%? Here's a couple fun facts, 30%+ of sub-prime auto loans ultimately end up in repossession and 70% are driving without insurance. What do you think a fair interest rate is?
BTW, that 20% is an annual rate. If the finance company is a single day late making it's FICA withholding payment, the IRS assesses a 10% penalty. 10% for one day...............now that's what I would say qualifies as "loan shark"!
Trump had to get the money/bond from somebody, who would you have preferred? Would you feel better if Musk or Bezos had just written a check?
I already explained all of this.
You can hash out the semantics of business and lending ethics all you like. I don't need to do that to understand that making money off of others' misfortune is shady.
The guy is called a loan shark by his peers in the finance world because his business model is indeed the modern day equivalent. It is legal. It is also unethical and slimy as [BLEEP].
Third time I've had to hash this out in this thread.
I'll leave you guys to your echo chamber for a while. No one wants to hear a dissenting view around here.
It's no shock that this bothers no one, though.
25 rape allegations, 80 some odd felony charges, 12 failed businesses, hush money to porn stars, and flatly stating he wants to turn the presidency into a monarchy hasn't dissuaded his cult.
Why would owing a loan shark hundreds of millions of dollars change your mind?
And you question MY objectivity. LOL
You don't welcome dissenting views. Once again, you want to hold others to a standard by which you don't abide.
You came in here swinging your dick around, making conjecture, and talking down to people who pointed out your logical fallacies. Now you're acting like some innocent little girl who wandered into a biker bar by mistake. Of course we're going to question your objectivity. This place may be mostly conservative, but it's hardly an echo chamber.
I always kind of blew off the whole idea of TDS, but it is real.
(04-05-2024, 04:40 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I always kind of blew off the whole idea of TDS, but it is real.
It's hatred hatched from fear..
(04-05-2024, 04:33 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2024, 02:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I already explained all of this.
You can hash out the semantics of business and lending ethics all you like. I don't need to do that to understand that making money off of others' misfortune is shady.
The guy is called a loan shark by his peers in the finance world because his business model is indeed the modern day equivalent. It is legal. It is also unethical and slimy as [BLEEP].
Third time I've had to hash this out in this thread.
I'll leave you guys to your echo chamber for a while. No one wants to hear a dissenting view around here.
It's no shock that this bothers no one, though.
25 rape allegations, 80 some odd felony charges, 12 failed businesses, hush money to porn stars, and flatly stating he wants to turn the presidency into a monarchy hasn't dissuaded his cult.
Why would owing a loan shark hundreds of millions of dollars change your mind?
And you question MY objectivity. LOL
You don't welcome dissenting views. Once again, you want to hold others to a standard by which you don't abide.
You came in here swinging your dick around, making conjecture, and talking down to people who pointed out your logical fallacies. Now you're acting like some innocent little girl who wandered into a biker bar by mistake. Of course we're going to question your objectivity. This place may be mostly conservative, but it's hardly an echo chamber.
LOL
You're so easily offended.
I posted an article and twitter thread link that outlines a candidate's imposing amount of a debt to someone the industry views as a loan shark - and you and others decided it was a nothing burger.
If that's "swinging my dick around" you have some truly odd perceptions.
Also - holy hell, man - it is a political discussion board on the internet. There isn't some precious protocol of pleasantry implied or required here. I have zero issues expressing myself plainly here, and don't give a flying [BLEEP] how you perceive it. Relax.
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