(03-26-2024, 12:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2024, 11:56 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]This is my concern as well. Why I have had hard times wanting to get involved in politics and the voting process in the first place. I consider myself as someone that leans towards the Classical Liberalism school of thought. While also being considered a Fiscal Conservatist amongst my friends and family.
I feel like the fringe left and fringe right have done a really good job at two things.
1. Dividing the country and spreading it apart.
2. Forcing people from the middle, such as myself, to actually get off my [BLEEP], get involved and vote.
We've seen a lot of [BLEEP] flinging from both sides of the aisle. Whether you hate Antifa, BLM or the Proud Boys and other right wing militant style groups. There's been a great divide in our country and it's bleeding heavily at this time.
I cannot comfortably look at any candidate on either side anymore with long term hopes for our future and my son's future. We've been contemplating on leaving the country at this rate. You know it's bad when you have 1st generation, eastern European war refugees around you telling you to "watch out", "be careful, be smart with your money, keep a passport up to date".
I have had my wife's family from Bosnia and Germany and some of our other friends from Romania and Armenia tell me there's been clear, cut patterns here in our country that they all saw directly and indirectly in their homelands before it got really, really bad and really, really ugly.
People laugh at the idea of civil war and civil unrest here in the states. These people from the Eastern Block know better, it's just a bullet away from popping off here. We're being governed by globalists in our country. It's a plutocracy in my opinion, not a real democracy anymore.
Our laws continue to be perverted and the lines continue to be blurred as the social dynamics and social engineering of these past few decades have officially seen it's roots become full on trees of implementation. We're losing this battle everyday as a nation. Hate to say it. I often go to bed in gloom.
I don't expect these next few years to get any better or easier. Just seems like we're circling the drain, both, domestically and internationally.
I agree completely. Unfortunately, candidates like Trump appeal to the masses because 1) he’s not a career politician and 2) he’s the only one who has the nuts to call everyone out. Unfortunately, the guy becomes unhinged and needs to be called out himself. As a country, left and right, we have no good options for this election and it’s causing the country to become even more unbalanced.
Until people begin to emerge from this adversarial spell we’ve been under and start confronting our own leaders instead of each other, the situation will continue to spiral downwards.
Take your own advice.
Everyone needs to be called out from time to time, not just Trump.
(03-26-2024, 02:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2024, 12:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I agree completely. Unfortunately, candidates like Trump appeal to the masses because 1) he’s not a career politician and 2) he’s the only one who has the nuts to call everyone out. Unfortunately, the guy becomes unhinged and needs to be called out himself. As a country, left and right, we have no good options for this election and it’s causing the country to become even more unbalanced.
Until people begin to emerge from this adversarial spell we’ve been under and start confronting our own leaders instead of each other, the situation will continue to spiral downwards.
Take your own advice.
Everyone needs to be called out from time to time, not just Trump.
Calling someone out is flat out different from finding excuses to blame a particular person for their own disorders.
(03-26-2024, 02:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2024, 12:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I agree completely. Unfortunately, candidates like Trump appeal to the masses because 1) he’s not a career politician and 2) he’s the only one who has the nuts to call everyone out. Unfortunately, the guy becomes unhinged and needs to be called out himself. As a country, left and right, we have no good options for this election and it’s causing the country to become even more unbalanced.
Until people begin to emerge from this adversarial spell we’ve been under and start confronting our own leaders instead of each other, the situation will continue to spiral downwards.
Take your own advice.
Everyone needs to be called out from time to time, not just Trump.
I call out Republicans on here, and yes, I will admit my rhetoric gets too assertive at times. We’re all passionate.
(03-26-2024, 01:18 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]As far as democrats on this board, I think a lot of them choose to sit out conversations because any time they respond to something over here, it’s immediately met with people who just chastise them. It’s no worth the effort. They’re called pedophiles and child touchers and tons of other names.
Why come on here if none of the conversations start with arguing in good faith? It just turns into bashing each other and nothing good comes from it.
I agree with things from both parties. I don’t think men who think they’re women should be playing against women. I think weed should be legal. I love cold beer and steak. I also watch Vanderpump Rules. I think I’m like 98% of America in that I’m pretty close to the middle. The issue is that you have some people on this board who are very far right and they pounce on anyone who may lean slightly left. You have had people on this board saying they wish death to all liberals. How can you possibly have conversations on this board with people who believe that?
America and this board should try and do better.
And if it’s not clear, far left liberals and far right conservatives are both crazy.
Also. Go Jags.
This goes both ways, man. The left started calling traditional conservatives far right and racist and fascist. It's all out of hand.
I truly have no problem with the general sentiment of this post, but I have grown tired of the one-way ratchet that the establishment uses to move Americans. It's kabuki theater. We post about the dumbest [BLEEP] here. Meanwhile, 1000-page omnibus bill gets passed in the middle of the night. Look at the front page of this thread? Who's talking about law? Who's talking about what's actually being passed for Americans?
I am telling you right now, the establishment does not care about America anymore. It's about corporate global power and dominance. You guys quibbling about lies is just taking your eye off the ball. We have to stop defending party-line policies and start collectively organizing around our own interests. More importantly, I hope we wake up and stop justifying why we tolerate these political hacks who do nothing to advance our interests.
At least with Trump we saw improvement in our lives, because he at least wants HIS country to be great. His narcissism is my friend in this instance, and if I have to put up with his ego and lying, it's better for ME than the alternative. Trump is not for us, certainly, but he is showing you the underbelly of DC, which is most definitely NOT for us. That's good. I hope it falls apart.
Calling someone "far right" or "far left" is in bounds if you've considered it carefully and really think that's where their views are. Even "fascist" and "racist" can be in bounds if you really think that's where someone's views are based on what they've posted. Obviously, if they never said anything about a racial issue, "racist" would be out of bounds, but if they have, call it like you see it. Calling someone a pedo could also be in bounds if they have made positive posts about adults sexualizing children. If they have not, it's completely out of bounds.
We need to have thicker skin with some of this stuff.
What's always out of bounds is "you should die" or " let's go kill this person."
(03-26-2024, 03:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Calling someone "far right" or "far left" is in bounds if you've considered it carefully and really think that's where their views are. Even "fascist" and "racist" can be in bounds if you really think that's where someone's views are based on what they've posted. Obviously, if they never said anything about a racial issue, "racist" would be out of bounds, but if they have, call it like you see it. Calling someone a pedo could also be in bounds if they have made positive posts about adults sexualizing children. If they have not, it's completely out of bounds.
We need to have thicker skin with some of this stuff.
What's always out of bounds is "you should die" or " let's go kill this person."
How about,
"I wish Mother Nature would hurry up and run its course"?
Is that out of bounds too?
(03-26-2024, 12:24 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Question for all you Trump admirers:
Do you think we should teach our children that it's okay to lie, as long as it leads to the desired outcome?
That's not a dumb question but how you framed it (specifically to Trump supporters) sure is. Politicians lie, period. And if we're looking to them or pointing kids to them as a moral compass then we should be ashamed of ourselves.
(03-26-2024, 12:05 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2024, 11:56 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]This is my concern as well. Why I have had hard times wanting to get involved in politics and the voting process in the first place. I consider myself as someone that leans towards the Classical Liberalism school of thought. While also being considered a Fiscal Conservatist amongst my friends and family.
I feel like the fringe left and fringe right have done a really good job at two things.
1. Dividing the country and spreading it apart.
2. Forcing people from the middle, such as myself, to actually get off my [BLEEP], get involved and vote.
We've seen a lot of [BLEEP] flinging from both sides of the aisle. Whether you hate Antifa, BLM or the Proud Boys and other right wing militant style groups. There's been a great divide in our country and it's bleeding heavily at this time.
I cannot comfortably look at any candidate on either side anymore with long term hopes for our future and my son's future. We've been contemplating on leaving the country at this rate. You know it's bad when you have 1st generation, eastern European war refugees around you telling you to "watch out", "be careful, be smart with your money, keep a passport up to date".
I have had my wife's family from Bosnia and Germany and some of our other friends from Romania and Armenia tell me there's been clear, cut patterns here in our country that they all saw directly and indirectly in their homelands before it got really, really bad and really, really ugly.
People laugh at the idea of civil war and civil unrest here in the states. These people from the Eastern Block know better, it's just a bullet away from popping off here. We're being governed by globalists in our country. It's a plutocracy in my opinion, not a real democracy anymore.
Our laws continue to be perverted and the lines continue to be blurred as the social dynamics and social engineering of these past few decades have officially seen it's roots become full on trees of implementation. We're losing this battle everyday as a nation. Hate to say it. I often go to bed in gloom.
I don't expect these next few years to get any better or easier. Just seems like we're circling the drain, both, domestically and internationally.
I really don't think we need a civil war.. That's the last thing this country needs.
To me, this is just idiot children who are lost in their own hatred for one man.
Honest opinion time.. If another candidate ran on Trump's policies, that candidate would have a much easier time implementing those policies for the simple fact that he or she is not Trump.
These people are not thinking based off of policy. They're thinking based off of personal hatred..
Vivek was that guy IMO but he got zero traction.
(03-26-2024, 03:37 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2024, 12:05 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I really don't think we need a civil war.. That's the last thing this country needs.
To me, this is just idiot children who are lost in their own hatred for one man.
Honest opinion time.. If another candidate ran on Trump's policies, that candidate would have a much easier time implementing those policies for the simple fact that he or she is not Trump.
These people are not thinking based off of policy. They're thinking based off of personal hatred..
Vivek was that guy IMO but he got zero traction.
Yup..
He's one of top 3 for VP though..
(03-26-2024, 03:33 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2024, 03:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Calling someone "far right" or "far left" is in bounds if you've considered it carefully and really think that's where their views are. Even "fascist" and "racist" can be in bounds if you really think that's where someone's views are based on what they've posted. Obviously, if they never said anything about a racial issue, "racist" would be out of bounds, but if they have, call it like you see it. Calling someone a pedo could also be in bounds if they have made positive posts about adults sexualizing children. If they have not, it's completely out of bounds.
We need to have thicker skin with some of this stuff.
What's always out of bounds is "you should die" or " let's go kill this person."
How about,
"I wish Mother Nature would hurry up and run its course"?
Is that out of bounds too?
Nope. Not calling on any person to do anything, just expressing well considered disdain for the role one man plays in our system.
(03-26-2024, 12:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2024, 11:56 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]This is my concern as well. Why I have had hard times wanting to get involved in politics and the voting process in the first place. I consider myself as someone that leans towards the Classical Liberalism school of thought. While also being considered a Fiscal Conservatist amongst my friends and family.
I feel like the fringe left and fringe right have done a really good job at two things.
1. Dividing the country and spreading it apart.
2. Forcing people from the middle, such as myself, to actually get off my [BLEEP], get involved and vote.
We've seen a lot of [BLEEP] flinging from both sides of the aisle. Whether you hate Antifa, BLM or the Proud Boys and other right wing militant style groups. There's been a great divide in our country and it's bleeding heavily at this time.
I cannot comfortably look at any candidate on either side anymore with long term hopes for our future and my son's future. We've been contemplating on leaving the country at this rate. You know it's bad when you have 1st generation, eastern European war refugees around you telling you to "watch out", "be careful, be smart with your money, keep a passport up to date".
I have had my wife's family from Bosnia and Germany and some of our other friends from Romania and Armenia tell me there's been clear, cut patterns here in our country that they all saw directly and indirectly in their homelands before it got really, really bad and really, really ugly.
People laugh at the idea of civil war and civil unrest here in the states. These people from the Eastern Block know better, it's just a bullet away from popping off here. We're being governed by globalists in our country. It's a plutocracy in my opinion, not a real democracy anymore.
Our laws continue to be perverted and the lines continue to be blurred as the social dynamics and social engineering of these past few decades have officially seen it's roots become full on trees of implementation. We're losing this battle everyday as a nation. Hate to say it. I often go to bed in gloom.
I don't expect these next few years to get any better or easier. Just seems like we're circling the drain, both, domestically and internationally.
I agree completely. Unfortunately, candidates like Trump appeal to the masses because 1) he’s not a career politician and 2) he’s the only one who has the nuts to call everyone out. Unfortunately, the guy becomes unhinged and needs to be called out himself. As a country, left and right, we have no good options for this election and it’s causing the country to become even more unbalanced.
Until people begin to emerge from this adversarial spell we’ve been under and start confronting our own leaders instead of each other, the situation will continue to spiral downwards.
Circling the drain for sure.
(03-26-2024, 03:37 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2024, 12:05 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I really don't think we need a civil war.. That's the last thing this country needs.
To me, this is just idiot children who are lost in their own hatred for one man.
Honest opinion time.. If another candidate ran on Trump's policies, that candidate would have a much easier time implementing those policies for the simple fact that he or she is not Trump.
These people are not thinking based off of policy. They're thinking based off of personal hatred..
Vivek was that guy IMO but he got zero traction.
I liked Vivek for a brief moment. He came on pretty strong, but, then he got up there and got busted for plagiarizing some of Obama's speech from a few years ago. Then you get into the whole rise to fame debate with him and the George Soros money that was linked to him, which, it does and doesn't bother me at the same time.
I get annoyed easily though.
We don't have a nation of true debaters anymore. We have a nation of people dressed up in suits and ties arguing like school children in front of the camera. Taking pot shots at one another. It feels like the amount of air time they use to just do that leaves a lot to be desired in what we really need to be hearing about.
The biggest issue is money though, as long as money is involved in our political system, we're going to continue to see this same cycle of nonsense and distractions. Lobbyism has sapped the integrity out of our system and career politicians in conjunction with congress have accepted globalism to our nation's detriment.
I cannot explain it, other than what it feels like to me as the modern beginnings of what the fall of Rome must have felt like in ancient times. The country has become so big, so powerful, so drunk on it's own ego and accomplishments (something most of today's candidates had nothing to do with) that it's spread itself and stretched itself too thin.
We really need a serious reformation in our country. I think, in order for us to reach that reformation, we're going to have to go backwards for a little bit longer until it really sinks in for the general public and population. We're seeing some of it now. From all communities. Due to inflation and the pandemic that slowed us down a few years ago and continues to still have it's effect on us today.
Just interesting times right now to be an American. However, we all want change, we all want better for ourselves. Just comes down to who can lead us to it, who can balance it all out and who can clean up this mess. Starts with us at home, for sure and then locally.
(03-26-2024, 03:12 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2024, 02:51 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of whoppers. Do you people feel any sort of shame for voting for this dude?
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1772...wOp2Q&s=19
I might not vote at all this year.
Should we assume that if you don't vote and Trump wins, your inaction implies consent, and you will stop complaining about him?
(03-27-2024, 01:23 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2024, 03:12 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I might not vote at all this year.
Should we assume that if you don't vote and Trump wins, your inaction implies consent, and you will stop complaining about him?
"People say if you don't vote you can't complain. They have that backwards! If I don't vote I can't be blamed! It's all you stinkers who voted that screwed everything up!"
George Carlin, roughly.
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