(04-27-2024, 03:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2024, 03:13 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Risner was a FA last year when we needed a G and we didnt sign him. Risner went to Min. and beat out the guy we just signed to a big contract. Risner doesnt fit the type of guard the staff wants or we would of signed him last year.
He didn't beat him out, Cleveland was hurt with a broken foot. They traded him because A. he was hurt, and B. he wasn't going to resign with them.
They could have kept Cleveland if they felt he was better. When Cleveland was healthy they liked Risner better so they traded Ezra.
Cleveland never said he wouldnt resign with the Vikings. They didnt think he was worth what it would cost to resign him and they felt they had a better guard in Risner.
Yeah I know Fortner isn’t good, people seem to generally be complaining that we haven’t tried to improve the OLine. That’s just not true.
Personally I think Morse is going to make the line significantly better this year. So I agree and injury to him would be a disaster
(04-27-2024, 03:20 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2024, 03:13 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Risner was a FA last year when we needed a G and we didnt sign him. Risner went to Min. and beat out the guy we just signed to a big contract. Risner doesnt fit the type of guard the staff wants or we would of signed him last year.
Which leads to the conclusion, that I alluded to earlier, that the staff is the problem.
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I cant argue against that one. Very possible.
(04-27-2024, 03:13 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]As others have said, we’ve really thrown a tonne of resources into the OLine as it is.
Robinson - second round pick, big second contract
Cleveland - FA
Morse - FA
Scheriff - FA
Harrison - First Round
Little - Second Round
Fortner - Third Round
Foster - Fourth round
Plus we have Hodges, Shatley and Hance.
That’s so much
Besides Morse and Foster, what have those others done? How have they played? Cam and Anton are starters with quality. The rest are just guys, at best. Little is good depth.
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Nourzad, Limmer and the Miami C still on the board as well as Mahogany
(04-27-2024, 03:21 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2024, 03:13 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]As others have said, we’ve really thrown a tonne of resources into the OLine as it is.
Robinson - second round pick, big second contract
Cleveland - FA
Morse - FA
Scheriff - FA
Harrison - First Round
Little - Second Round
Fortner - Third Round
Foster - Fourth round
Plus we have Hodges, Shatley and Hance.
That’s so much
Just because we drafted Fortner with a 3rd doesn't mean he is a good player - just like the corollary exists as well.
However, we know what kind of player Fortner is and if you will hang your hat on remaining complacent with him, Robinson teetering along Goodell's gavel while becoming a F/A, and others aging along that front - then Trevor and our team will not succeed in any way possible.
It's an offensive league and we need a steady stream of strong competition to ensure our franchise QB can succeed and remain healthy.
I don't wish to see Fortner starting another game for the Jags, but imo that's a far cry from saying the Jags can't win with him as the snapper. The Jags have beaten good teams over the past two seasons with Fortner as the every game starter. Won the division once, and almost upset the Super Bowl winners in a playoff game.
He's below average, but he's good enough to be a backup to Morse.
(04-27-2024, 03:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2024, 03:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He didn't beat him out, Cleveland was hurt with a broken foot. They traded him because A. he was hurt, and B. he wasn't going to resign with them.
They could have kept Cleveland if they felt he was better. When Cleveland was healthy they liked Risner better so they traded Ezra.
Cleveland never said he wouldnt resign with the Vikings. They didnt think he was worth what it would cost to resign him and they felt they had a better guard in Risner.
Ezra never got health last year. They felt both were about the same when healthy but Cleveland being 3 years younger made his cost higher. It was about cost not skill.
(04-27-2024, 03:13 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]As others have said, we’ve really thrown a tonne of resources into the OLine as it is.
Robinson - second round pick, big second contract
Cleveland - FA
Morse - FA
Scheriff - FA
Harrison - First Round
Little - Second Round
Fortner - Third Round
Foster - Fourth round
Plus we have Hodges, Shatley and Hance.
That’s so much
That's quite the indictment on the front office and the staff
(04-27-2024, 03:27 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2024, 03:21 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]Just because we drafted Fortner with a 3rd doesn't mean he is a good player - just like the corollary exists as well.
However, we know what kind of player Fortner is and if you will hang your hat on remaining complacent with him, Robinson teetering along Goodell's gavel while becoming a F/A, and others aging along that front - then Trevor and our team will not succeed in any way possible.
It's an offensive league and we need a steady stream of strong competition to ensure our franchise QB can succeed and remain healthy.
I don't wish to see Fortner starting another game for the Jags, but imo that's a far cry from saying the Jags can't win with him as the snapper. The Jags have beaten good teams over the past two seasons with Fortner as the every game starter. Won the division once, and almost upset the Super Bowl winners in a playoff game.
He's below average, but he's good enough to be a backup to Morse.
Yes but Trevor has taken a beating the last few years. You can win games while Trevor continues to take hit after hit. It will catch up to Trevor in the long run and we want to see him not take so many hits and Fortner has been the biggest problem along with the LG spot.
(04-27-2024, 03:27 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2024, 03:21 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]Just because we drafted Fortner with a 3rd doesn't mean he is a good player - just like the corollary exists as well.
However, we know what kind of player Fortner is and if you will hang your hat on remaining complacent with him, Robinson teetering along Goodell's gavel while becoming a F/A, and others aging along that front - then Trevor and our team will not succeed in any way possible.
It's an offensive league and we need a steady stream of strong competition to ensure our franchise QB can succeed and remain healthy.
I don't wish to see Fortner starting another game for the Jags, but imo that's a far cry from saying the Jags can't win with him as the snapper. The Jags have beaten good teams over the past two seasons with Fortner as the every game starter. Won the division once, and almost upset the Super Bowl winners in a playoff game.
He's below average, but he's good enough to be a backup to Morse.
That's all IN SPITE of him.
I'm not willing to roll the dice again and have Trevor line up behind him and potentially suffer an injury, because at that point you can kiss all hopes of success goodbye for us.
(04-27-2024, 03:26 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2024, 03:13 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]As others have said, we’ve really thrown a tonne of resources into the OLine as it is.
Robinson - second round pick, big second contract
Cleveland - FA
Morse - FA
Scheriff - FA
Harrison - First Round
Little - Second Round
Fortner - Third Round
Foster - Fourth round
Plus we have Hodges, Shatley and Hance.
That’s so much
Besides Morse and Foster, what have those others done? How have they played? Cam and Anton are starters with quality. The rest are just guys, at best. Little is good depth.
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We had 3 tackles last season and the rest were basically turnstiles when they were not on their arses. Why we kept any of them I can't fathom.
Man, the colts are loading up on defense. Good value picks on offense too. Adonai Mitchell and Gould are good players.
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Wonder if we get Limmer here
I think Fortner should be getting reps at RG this summer. He had three or four years there in Kentucky. I am taking Matt Lee at C.
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And there's the yearly Baalke RB draft pick
We got Baalke'ed! RB sheesh
(04-27-2024, 03:30 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2024, 03:27 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ]I don't wish to see Fortner starting another game for the Jags, but imo that's a far cry from saying the Jags can't win with him as the snapper. The Jags have beaten good teams over the past two seasons with Fortner as the every game starter. Won the division once, and almost upset the Super Bowl winners in a playoff game.
He's below average, but he's good enough to be a backup to Morse.
That's all IN SPITE of him.
I'm not willing to roll the dice again and have Trevor line up behind him and potentially suffer an injury, because at that point you can kiss all hopes of success goodbye for us.
To get back to the draft...I agree that drafting a guard (Mahogany) that is an upgrade to Cooper Hodges is a need.
Not discounting that.
My comments are about using the draft pick on a CENTER when that player won't start this season OR next...and the Jags currently have 3 players on their squad that are probably better options this year AND next at the center spot. That's all.
And if I'm honest... I'm still holding out hope that the Jags at least still have Conner Williams on their radar as a free agent pickup for NEXT season. (if he doesn't retire)
Mother [BLEEP] man...
C'mon....
RB...
Again...
Ugh...
LOL.
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He just can't resist it. LOL.
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