Brings to mind a old parents/mom's threat to their child during a disagreement. " I brought you into this world and I will damn sure take you out."
Exactly what happened to creepy pedo joe.
(07-22-2024, 12:40 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (07-22-2024, 11:22 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Biden/Harris was the only name on the ticket. I could have gotten 14m votes if my name was the only name on the ticket. I'm stating 31m no-shows speaks higher volume. If the Dems are upset about the process, they can vote Trump or simply not vote. Personally, I'd prefer Joe Manchin but I think it's only right to nominate Kamala as the candidate. If the Dems lose or even if they win, perhaps I'll get Manchin in 2028 via a true Primary which is fine with me.
To be honest, I'm not afraid of a Trump victory ..... I WAS fearing a Biden victory as of late so I'm ok with the options as currently anticipated (Trump vs Harris)
Yes, you've been a reasonable and relatively moderate opposition voice which I greatly respect. However, we're having a back and forth on the comment I made regarding subverting Democracy which you took issue with and I explained was due to the fact that Harris was selected and not elected. You're forgetting or avoiding the hypothetical I posed of her having to go through an open primary this past year on her own and refusing to opine on what you think her chances would have been.
In accordance with the defined process, that is not required. Would I like to have a vote? Yes. // Would I vote Kamala in a 2024 August Primary? I would vote for her to keep the peace but she is not my 1st choice (i like Manchin #1 but he's not even Dem anymore .... and Shapiro #2) // Do I think the Dems did the right thing? Yes. Also, she now has the electoral votes to proceed (in accordance withe the process)
This will have been 2 of the last 3 Democratic primaries where the will of the people was not necessarily honored or, in the case this year, even needed. In 2016, super delegates pledged extremely early for Hillary which not only gave her a significant lead in delegates, but likely swayed undecideds to the side of the presumed winner and/or encouraged some Bernie supporters to just stay home. Super PACs are the norm and are not illegal--- yes, it sucks but that's the way politics go 
Even in 2020, certain candidates with no chance of winning stayed in the race longer than usual in what appeared to be an effort to thwart Bernie's chances, though admittedly it may not have mattered that year as Biden was seen as a connection to the popular on the left Obama years anyway. (If Biden in fact made a deal for Pocahontas to say in the race to peel voters off of Bernie, kudos for good primary election strategy on his part) Can't control who stays and who goes. Otherwise there should only really be 2-3 candidates to begin with because all the others are just in there for recognition, knowing they have no chance.
I completely agree that given the current scenario and circumstances, she is the rightful candidate and I believe she's the only one that has a legitimate claim on Biden's existing war chest of campaign funds as well. Yep, it is what it is - just glad there wasn't a revolt. lol
Sidenote: If Kamala wins in 2024, the Dems may need to run the course in 2028 or face backlash. Would this really be better than starting fresh in 2028 with a new face of the party? Only time will tell. Just glad Biden is out .... I could not bear to watch him or listen to him anymore.
My 2 cents above 
(07-23-2024, 08:08 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Brings to mind a old parents/mom's threat to their child during a disagreement. " I brought you into this world and I will damn sure take you out."
Exactly what happened to creepy pedo joe.
HA !!! This phrase sounded so normal in the 70's but right now it's really kind of cringeworthy when thinking of Marvin Gaye and others kids who may have gotten killed by their parents.
It's funny, the Dead Zone ended in both Washington and Jacksonville this week.
(07-23-2024, 11:05 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2024, 10:50 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9v8LlJpD...95cGo4NGw3
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The $84M figure seemed ridiculous. Is the info in the post true about not having to disclose after a certain deadline?
Trying to read into that. Not sure if it's state based or nationally based. I was reading into it but see August and September as potential reporting months but it could be quarterly based. Either way, I think there's a chance it has to be reported prior to the Election Day.
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(07-23-2024, 09:38 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (07-22-2024, 12:40 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, you've been a reasonable and relatively moderate opposition voice which I greatly respect. However, we're having a back and forth on the comment I made regarding subverting Democracy which you took issue with and I explained was due to the fact that Harris was selected and not elected. You're forgetting or avoiding the hypothetical I posed of her having to go through an open primary this past year on her own and refusing to opine on what you think her chances would have been.
In accordance with the defined process, that is not required. Would I like to have a vote? Yes. // Would I vote Kamala in a 2024 August Primary? I would vote for her to keep the peace but she is not my 1st choice (i like Manchin #1 but he's not even Dem anymore .... and Shapiro #2) // Do I think the Dems did the right thing? Yes. Also, she now has the electoral votes to proceed (in accordance withe the process)
This will have been 2 of the last 3 Democratic primaries where the will of the people was not necessarily honored or, in the case this year, even needed. In 2016, super delegates pledged extremely early for Hillary which not only gave her a significant lead in delegates, but likely swayed undecideds to the side of the presumed winner and/or encouraged some Bernie supporters to just stay home. Super PACs are the norm and are not illegal--- yes, it sucks but that's the way politics go Even in 2020, certain candidates with no chance of winning stayed in the race longer than usual in what appeared to be an effort to thwart Bernie's chances, though admittedly it may not have mattered that year as Biden was seen as a connection to the popular on the left Obama years anyway. (If Biden in fact made a deal for Pocahontas to say in the race to peel voters off of Bernie, kudos for good primary election strategy on his part) Can't control who stays and who goes. Otherwise there should only really be 2-3 candidates to begin with because all the others are just in there for recognition, knowing they have no chance.
I completely agree that given the current scenario and circumstances, she is the rightful candidate and I believe she's the only one that has a legitimate claim on Biden's existing war chest of campaign funds as well. Yep, it is what it is - just glad there wasn't a revolt. lol
Sidenote: If Kamala wins in 2024, the Dems may need to run the course in 2028 or face backlash. Would this really be better than starting fresh in 2028 with a new face of the party? Only time will tell. Just glad Biden is out .... I could not bear to watch him or listen to him anymore.
My 2 cents above
Thank you, however, Super PAC's and Super Delegates are not the same conversation. Unless I miss your meaning in bringing them up, want to try again on that one? Did not mention Super PACs or whether it was illegal or not. Only that the will of the people being subverted could easily be argued here because Super Delegates being unbound to vote based on the result of the primary can vote for whomever they want to at the convention and many pledged to Hillary very early in the process giving her an artificial and likely insurmountable lead, but we have to be on the same page regarding the facts for that argument to hit home.
Super delegates make up about 15% of the total delegates on the democratic side. The republican side does not have super delegates. In short, Hillary started the primary with the 15% slice already in her pocket. The remaining 85% was up for grabs. Bernie would have had to win 51/34 of the remaining 85% of the pie or 60% of all available remaining delegates.
Essentially, the Dem powers that be will graciously allow you to vote in their primary, but they reserve the right to choose for you your candidate unless your candidate can obtain roughly 60% of the delegates that are up for grabs and bound to vote based on the will of the people expressed through the primary vote. That's a tall order in a contested primary. Mikesez probably won't care because he mistakenly presumes it helps ensure a more moderate candidate, perhaps you and others feel the same way. Regardless, it is an indictment of what the powers that be think of their voters and on what they think of a truly democratic process in general. They did change the process for the 2020 election and beyond to no longer allow them to pledge early for a candidate (at least openly), but the rest of the rules and their very existence remain in tact which doesn't really change much.
Some scuttlebutt out there that Kim Cheatle is about to get put on the hook for the blown Hunter's Cocaine in the White House investigation. Could be an attempt to thwart the expected push for Presidential Pardons for the Biden Crime Syndicate as their U-Hauls depart Pennsylvania Avenue.
Hey look, a democrat grassroots influencer conducted a poll, let's take a look at this one too since it had over 160k poll responses..
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(07-23-2024, 03:10 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Hey look, a democrat grassroots influencer conducted a poll, let's take a look at this one too since it had over 160k poll responses..
The very punchable face of Ed Krassenstein.
(07-23-2024, 03:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2024, 03:10 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Hey look, a democrat grassroots influencer conducted a poll, let's take a look at this one too since it had over 160k poll responses..
The very punchable face of Ed Krassenstein.
He'd break lolol
That dude is like 4'9, 90 pounds lololol
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