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Duvernay I think is going to be a little bit more involved offensively than we realize. Agnew was used in this same fashion as well. I still think it should be:
1. Christian Kirk
2. Gabe Davis
3. Brian Thomas Jr.
4. Parker Washington
5. Elvis Duvernay
6. Austin Trammell
Elijah Cooks dropped his opportunities last week. Also, well over the annual preseason infatuation and luster for Tim Jones. Haven't seen enough in three years to care to keep him on the active roster anymore.
I think with this line-up. You have your deep ball threats and big play threats in Davis and Thomas Jr. You have your "undersized" guys that can run clean routes and work the underneath stuff in Kirk and Washington. You then have Duvernay that can out run and get open in certain situations along with special teams value. You also have Trammell who has a bit of a Cole Beasley vibe to him with return ability as well.
Just makes the most sense to me from what I have seen so far in two games. The running game looks like it will be better already with an improved and more decisive Bigsby out there. I think this opens up the passing game that much more and having a healthy rotation of role players will be crucial down the stretch. We CLEARLY hurt last year at WR when we had to start overly leaning on Ridley and Engram to make up for the losses in Kirk, Zay and Parker learning the ropes still.
We're getting closer to being able to work the play action game more and take those deep shots that we've been missing.
(08-19-2024, 12:03 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Duvernay I think is going to be a little bit more involved offensively than we realize. Agnew was used in this same fashion as well. I still think it should be:
1. Christian Kirk
2. Gabe Davis
3. Brian Thomas Jr.
4. Parker Washington
5. Elvis Duvernay
6. Austin Trammell
Elijah Cooks dropped his opportunities last week. Also, well over the annual preseason infatuation and luster for Tim Jones. Haven't seen enough in three years to care to keep him on the active roster anymore.
I think with this line-up. You have your deep ball threats and big play threats in Davis and Thomas Jr. You have your "undersized" guys that can run clean routes and work the underneath stuff in Kirk and Washington. You then have Duvernay that can out run and get open in certain situations along with special teams value. You also have Trammell who has a bit of a Cole Beasley vibe to him with return ability as well.
Just makes the most sense to me from what I have seen so far in two games. The running game looks like it will be better already with an improved and more decisive Bigsby out there. I think this opens up the passing game that much more and having a healthy rotation of role players will be crucial down the stretch. We CLEARLY hurt last year at WR when we had to start overly leaning on Ridley and Engram to make up for the losses in Kirk, Zay and Parker learning the ropes still.
We're getting closer to being able to work the play action game more and take those deep shots that we've been missing.
Does Devin Duvernay have a brother that I don’t know about?
(08-19-2024, 12:15 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (08-19-2024, 12:03 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Duvernay I think is going to be a little bit more involved offensively than we realize. Agnew was used in this same fashion as well. I still think it should be:
1. Christian Kirk
2. Gabe Davis
3. Brian Thomas Jr.
4. Parker Washington
5. Elvis Duvernay
6. Austin Trammell
Elijah Cooks dropped his opportunities last week. Also, well over the annual preseason infatuation and luster for Tim Jones. Haven't seen enough in three years to care to keep him on the active roster anymore.
I think with this line-up. You have your deep ball threats and big play threats in Davis and Thomas Jr. You have your "undersized" guys that can run clean routes and work the underneath stuff in Kirk and Washington. You then have Duvernay that can out run and get open in certain situations along with special teams value. You also have Trammell who has a bit of a Cole Beasley vibe to him with return ability as well.
Just makes the most sense to me from what I have seen so far in two games. The running game looks like it will be better already with an improved and more decisive Bigsby out there. I think this opens up the passing game that much more and having a healthy rotation of role players will be crucial down the stretch. We CLEARLY hurt last year at WR when we had to start overly leaning on Ridley and Engram to make up for the losses in Kirk, Zay and Parker learning the ropes still.
We're getting closer to being able to work the play action game more and take those deep shots that we've been missing.
Does Devin Duvernay have a brother that I don’t know about?
Damn it. You got me there.
Was watching highlights just now and saw Bo Nix in Denver. Probably thought of Elvis Dumervil. My bad. Duvernay of Duval. I'll just say that for now on.
Looks like it's time to figure out if Trammell offers anything on special teams.
(08-19-2024, 02:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like it's time to figure out if Trammell offers anything on special teams.
Didn't we already see that? They have him returning kicks as it is
(08-19-2024, 02:58 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (08-19-2024, 02:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like it's time to figure out if Trammell offers anything on special teams.
Didn't we already see that? They have him returning kicks as it is
I'll rephrase as I haven't been able to watch all of the preseason snaps:
- We know the team likes Tim Jones' ST ability
- We know Cooks committed a penalty Sat. on ST
- Is Trammel's contribution equal to or better than those other two overall on ST?
- Does his play vs. TB scrubs do enough to slide him ahead on the "depth receiver" side of things?
I legit have no idea as I've been too busy to do my typical geek-out-deep-dive into these kinds of position battles this year.
Trammel has played well but theres already similar players ahead of him
I think it will shake out, ordered by similar play/use style:
Thomas
Davis
Jones
Kirk
Duverney
Parker
Trammel to PS
To me, this gives the best versatility in the WR room
Parker and Duverney in return duties, while spelling Kirk and gadget style plays on offense
Tim Jones in ST duties, spelling Thomas and Gabe
WR is pretty straight forward
1. Christian Kirk
2. Gabe Davis
3. Brian Thomas Jr.
4. Parker Washington
5. Elvis Duvernay
6. Tim Jones
If they keep 7 then you can make a case for a few of them.
Poor dude is gonna be Elvis around here all year.
Elvis has looked way better in the pass game than I thought he would. He is a much improved version of Agnew.
(08-19-2024, 09:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Poor dude is gonna be Elvis around here all year.
I'm expecting another pro bowl appearance for Devin Dumervil this season as well.
(08-19-2024, 03:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-19-2024, 02:58 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't we already see that? They have him returning kicks as it is
I'll rephrase as I haven't been able to watch all of the preseason snaps:
- We know the team likes Tim Jones' ST ability
- We know Cooks committed a penalty Sat. on ST
- Is Trammel's contribution equal to or better than those other two overall on ST?
- Does his play vs. TB scrubs do enough to slide him ahead on the "depth receiver" side of things?
I legit have no idea as I've been too busy to do my typical geek-out-deep-dive into these kinds of position battles this year.
Tim Jones had 3 special teams tackles all last season.
Does that seem like someone who can't be replaced on ST? People need to stop holding on to this guy. He's less able to get separation as a receiver than
I like Trammell as a receiver in case we lose TWO starting receivers, like we did last season.
(08-20-2024, 01:01 AM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ] (08-19-2024, 03:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'll rephrase as I haven't been able to watch all of the preseason snaps:
- We know the team likes Tim Jones' ST ability
- We know Cooks committed a penalty Sat. on ST
- Is Trammel's contribution equal to or better than those other two overall on ST?
- Does his play vs. TB scrubs do enough to slide him ahead on the "depth receiver" side of things?
I legit have no idea as I've been too busy to do my typical geek-out-deep-dive into these kinds of position battles this year.
Tim Jones had 3 special teams tackles all last season.
Does that seem like someone who can't be replaced on ST? People need to stop holding on to this guy. He's less able to get separation as a receiver than
I like Trammell as a receiver in case we lose TWO starting receivers, like we did last season.
Tackles aren't the only impact to special teams.
(08-19-2024, 02:58 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (08-19-2024, 02:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like it's time to figure out if Trammell offers anything on special teams.
Didn't we already see that? They have him returning kicks as it is
That Keilan Robinson pick just keeps on getting better by the day!
(08-20-2024, 12:17 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (08-19-2024, 02:58 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't we already see that? They have him returning kicks as it is
That Keilan Robinson pick just keeps on getting better by the day!
But he’s fast.
Call me crazy, but I don't think we were going to fix our interior OL with the 167th pick this year.
Adding a third returner with a new kickoff rule being implemented that sometimes calls for two returners fielded simultaneously still feels very reasonable to me.
I also think Al Davis would have loved this one
(08-20-2024, 10:28 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Both preseason games Van Lannen has been the the highest rated lineman on the team
https://x.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1825898363713180041
He’s definitely looked better than the rest of the dead beats we’ve been trotting out there. I always had hope he’d develop, he’s an extremely athletic Wisconsin guy. And the badgers o lineman usually translate well to the nfl. Maybe he’s just a late bloomer.
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