(09-09-2024, 08:44 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]I think we win this one. If we can match up with the Fins, surely we can stop the Browns.
Unless it turns into another season of playing to the opponent’s level.
I’m trying to stay positive.
(09-09-2024, 08:44 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]I think we win this one. If we can match up with the Fins, surely we can stop the Browns.
The Browns have a much better defense than the Fins and they also have a very good oline, i wonder if Willis will play? Hopefully this is the game we can change the season and go on a win streak and change the habbit we have of finding ways to lose and collapse. This has turned into a habbit of ours so hopefully we can break it.
I think this game is a lot more important now considering how we choked it away. Don't want this bad momentum to linger. Start off 0-2 with back to back road games against bills and Texans, and we could find ourselves in a situation too difficult to recover from. 1-3 we can still go on a run but 0-4 and we're in a world of trouble. Browns is the most winnable of next three.
(09-09-2024, 07:51 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 07:42 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's a fair ask. 2/10 on third down's yesterday. 3 potential drive sustainers on said drives that were dropped by two of your most highest paid players on offense. Lawrence inking a major extension earlier this off season only to leave Miami with a whopping 21 pass attempts.
Somebody [BLEEP] something up there and didn't adjust accordingly. Done defending this [BLEEP]. If the game looks like call wise? Call it out. It's beyond fair at this point going into year three with the same [BLEEP] staff.
I thought Trev played ok but he didn't even crack 165 yrds passing. I think that's more to do with the play calling than anything else. Engram is a top 5-7 TE and he had what, 2 targets? Our 2 best players on offense let us down in Kirk and Etieene.
I'll be at the Browns game and hopefully the offense can get on track. Overall the defense holding the Miami offense to 20 points though did their job. Doug Pederson has been failing as a coach from the 2nd half of last season till now. If Doug is calling the plays he needs to hand it over to Press or vise versa.
We need a change because what we are doing right now isn't working. We have a lot of weapons on offense and our offense just doesn't look that great. Josh Allen lost Diggs and Davis and look what he done yesterday. We are loaded on offense with weapons and we have Trevor Freaking Lawrence as our QB
Either the offensive play calling or scheme one isn't getting the best out of our QB. We have to look in the mirror and find an answer and change something
What we were doing gave us a 24-7 lead in the second half that the players on the field lost. Once again the play calling, outside the 4th down attempt that was a headscratcher, was just fine, the players didn't execute. The run game that we criticized so heavily last year was very effective and would've been stellar if ETN didn't lose the TD. The pass game was drawn up fine and moved the ball effectively except when the players dropped crucial passes to kill the drives. No one whines about Neilsen when Josh Hines-Allen didn't get a sack and only had 2 assists yesterday, but on the offensive side everyone wants to blame the guys who aren't actually on the field. It's just Maddening sometimes.
(09-09-2024, 08:59 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think this game is a lot more important now considering how we choked it away. Don't want this bad momentum to linger. Start off 0-2 with back to back road games against bills and Texans, and we could find ourselves in a situation too difficult to recover from. 1-3 we can still go on a run but 0-4 and we're in a world of trouble. Browns is the most winnable of next three.
They said on 1010 over 400 times teams started 0-2 and only 39 have made the playoffs.
(09-09-2024, 08:35 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 08:26 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Strange was out there a handful of times doing his best to "block". At one point he was getting bullied back on his assignment. However, it was effective enough to keep Lawrence in the pocket.
While I understand that drops happen for a lot of team's, giving your $55M per year QB a whopping 21 pass attempts is not enough to see if he can make an impact or not. 7 run plays Vs. 1 pass play with 2 sacks on the last 3 drives reeks of failure to adjust and failure to do what was right, and that was, give your [BLEEP] QB the football and let him cook.
The running game stalled out in the 4th quarter. They kept doing the same [BLEEP] and they were picking up 1 - 2 yards instead of 4 - 6 yards as they did previously. Just irks me.
It's the wait that kills me as a fan. I know it's tougher on the players. I couldn't play in the NFL. I would feel like a mad bull behind the bars after every loss. I just want that [BLEEP] gate to swing open so I can go off on somebody. It's maddening man. Absolutely maddening. I would be Bobby Knight in that locker room throwing chairs across the floor.
We had them! We let them off the hook! Now if you want to crown them?!?!?!? Then crown their [BLEEP]!!!! Now let's go get a [BLEEP] snack!
This is a good point, and, last year it was something that was silently effective for this offense. They relied heavily on Ridley to draw those PI's and it worked to our favor more than any other team in the NFL last year I believe.
Just needed to see more of that. Again, 12/21 pass completions/pass attempts. 3 massive third down conversions dropped along with 3 sacks given up. Do the math, the kid was basically perfect if those [BLEEP] did their job's yesterday.
I agree that the last few drives were bad play calling. The reason that number is so low is because we were 2 for 10 on 3rd downs. I seen Strange out there but those few plays wasn't enough from the 2nd round pick. It's year 2 for him now, I want to see more out of the 2nd round pick
You don't know if it was bad play calling, you only know that what you saw was ineffective. And I can't wait for Strange to catch a few passes so you can bellyache about him getting the ball instead of Davis or Junior. There's now five wideouts, two tight ends, and two running backs on this team to feed the ball, if they don't spread it around then someone is getting left out. And if they spread it around someone isn't getting enough targets. That's the beauty of being in your seat, you can always find something to complain about.
(09-09-2024, 09:23 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 07:51 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I thought Trev played ok but he didn't even crack 165 yrds passing. I think that's more to do with the play calling than anything else. Engram is a top 5-7 TE and he had what, 2 targets? Our 2 best players on offense let us down in Kirk and Etieene.
I'll be at the Browns game and hopefully the offense can get on track. Overall the defense holding the Miami offense to 20 points though did their job. Doug Pederson has been failing as a coach from the 2nd half of last season till now. If Doug is calling the plays he needs to hand it over to Press or vise versa.
We need a change because what we are doing right now isn't working. We have a lot of weapons on offense and our offense just doesn't look that great. Josh Allen lost Diggs and Davis and look what he done yesterday. We are loaded on offense with weapons and we have Trevor Freaking Lawrence as our QB
Either the offensive play calling or scheme one isn't getting the best out of our QB. We have to look in the mirror and find an answer and change something
What we were doing gave us a 24-7 lead in the second half that the players on the field lost. Once again the play calling, outside the 4th down attempt that was a headscratcher, was just fine, the players didn't execute. The run game that we criticized so heavily last year was very effective and would've been stellar if ETN didn't lose the TD. The pass game was drawn up fine and moved the ball effectively except when the players dropped crucial passes to kill the drives. No one whines about Neilsen when Josh Hines-Allen didn't get a sack and only had 2 assists yesterday, but on the offensive side everyone wants to blame the guys who aren't actually on the field. It's just Maddening sometimes.
The play calling wasnt fine at the end of the game, they should have continued to mix it up like they did in the first half instead of going run heavy towards the end of the game. The D held the number 1 offense to 20 points and Josh Allen was going against one of the best LTs in the league, i dont just look at a sack number. The defense had 2 4th down stops as well yesterday. The D played a good game overall yesterday.
(09-09-2024, 08:59 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think this game is a lot more important now considering how we choked it away. Don't want this bad momentum to linger. Start off 0-2 with back to back road games against bills and Texans, and we could find ourselves in a situation too difficult to recover from. 1-3 we can still go on a run but 0-4 and we're in a world of trouble. Browns is the most winnable of next three.
This game is important, but we should've beaten them last year with our MASH unit of a team on the field. Hopefully Neilsen can stop the Mighty Njoku from destroying our secondary again. We knew the first 5 were the tough part going in, it's a shame they let that one get away yesterday, but half the League have losses today...that's the nature of the NFL. I need to see more from the pass rush next week, Tua just didn't get hit enough yesterday and that let's their offense work. Watson looked terrible yesterday, I think they can get to him and once he's rattled he'll fold.
(09-09-2024, 09:30 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 09:23 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What we were doing gave us a 24-7 lead in the second half that the players on the field lost. Once again the play calling, outside the 4th down attempt that was a headscratcher, was just fine, the players didn't execute. The run game that we criticized so heavily last year was very effective and would've been stellar if ETN didn't lose the TD. The pass game was drawn up fine and moved the ball effectively except when the players dropped crucial passes to kill the drives. No one whines about Neilsen when Josh Hines-Allen didn't get a sack and only had 2 assists yesterday, but on the offensive side everyone wants to blame the guys who aren't actually on the field. It's just Maddening sometimes.
The play calling wasnt fine at the end of the game, they should have continued to mix it up like they did in the first half instead of going run heavy towards the end of the game. The D held the number 1 offense to 20 points and Josh Allen was going against one of the best LTs in the league, i dont just look at a sack number. The defense had 2 4th down stops as well yesterday. The D played a good game overall yesterday.
Again...how do you know what the play calling was? Even you admitted last night that you can't tell a real check from a fake one. All you know is that the play didn't work, and we all know you can't trust your eyes in this game. That's why the bellyaching is so humorous, you're crying about something and you don't even know if what you're crying about actually happened.
(09-09-2024, 09:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 08:59 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think this game is a lot more important now considering how we choked it away. Don't want this bad momentum to linger. Start off 0-2 with back to back road games against bills and Texans, and we could find ourselves in a situation too difficult to recover from. 1-3 we can still go on a run but 0-4 and we're in a world of trouble. Browns is the most winnable of next three.
This game is important, but we should've beaten them last year with our MASH unit of a team on the field. Hopefully Neilsen can stop the Mighty Njoku from destroying our secondary again. We knew the first 5 were the tough part going in, it's a shame they let that one get away yesterday, but half the League have losses today...that's the nature of the NFL. I need to see more from the pass rush next week, Tua just didn't get hit enough yesterday and that let's their offense work. Watson looked terrible yesterday, I think they can get to him and once he's rattled he'll fold.
(09-09-2024, 09:30 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The play calling wasnt fine at the end of the game, they should have continued to mix it up like they did in the first half instead of going run heavy towards the end of the game. The D held the number 1 offense to 20 points and Josh Allen was going against one of the best LTs in the league, i dont just look at a sack number. The defense had 2 4th down stops as well yesterday. The D played a good game overall yesterday.
Again...how do you know what the play calling was? Even you admitted last night that you can't tell a real check from a fake one. All you know is that the play didn't work, and we all know you can't trust your eyes in this game. That's why the bellyaching is so humorous, you're crying about something and you don't even know if what you're crying about actually happened.
I'd have to go back and look at each play to see if an audible or even a fake audible was called but I highly doubt Trev kept changing the pass play called to run plays. If so the staff needs to have a talk with Trevor about that and let him know we were trying to keep the foot on the pedal. It's not crying it's called discussing the mistakes being made that you are to blind to see.
(09-09-2024, 09:48 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 09:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]This game is important, but we should've beaten them last year with our MASH unit of a team on the field. Hopefully Neilsen can stop the Mighty Njoku from destroying our secondary again. We knew the first 5 were the tough part going in, it's a shame they let that one get away yesterday, but half the League have losses today...that's the nature of the NFL. I need to see more from the pass rush next week, Tua just didn't get hit enough yesterday and that let's their offense work. Watson looked terrible yesterday, I think they can get to him and once he's rattled he'll fold.
Again...how do you know what the play calling was? Even you admitted last night that you can't tell a real check from a fake one. All you know is that the play didn't work, and we all know you can't trust your eyes in this game. That's why the bellyaching is so humorous, you're crying about something and you don't even know if what you're crying about actually happened.
I'd have to go back and look at each play to see if an audible or even a fake audible was called but I highly doubt Trev kept changing the pass play called to run plays. If so the staff needs to have a talk with Trevor about that and let him know we were trying to keep the foot on the pedal. It's not crying it's called discussing the mistakes being made that you are to blind to see.
I see the mistakes, I don't share your certainty of the reason for those mistakes, so I don't attribute blame for what I don't know. You can go look all you want, you still won't know what was supposed to happen vs what did happen.
(09-09-2024, 10:29 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 09:48 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'd have to go back and look at each play to see if an audible or even a fake audible was called but I highly doubt Trev kept changing the pass play called to run plays. If so the staff needs to have a talk with Trevor about that and let him know we were trying to keep the foot on the pedal. It's not crying it's called discussing the mistakes being made that you are to blind to see.
I see the mistakes, I don't share your certainty of the reason for those mistakes, so I don't attribute blame for what I don't know. You can go look all you want, you still won't know what was supposed to happen vs what did happen.
Play calling again. I will attribute blame accordingly all day. It’s not hard to recognize. Hopefully, the play calling is better vs the browns. This offense is stacked with weapons. If only we had an offensive guru calling the plays on this team. Hmm where might we find one of those?
Watson was sacked six times yesterday. He tossed two interceptions. They had a hard time running it.
They should be able to get after him defensively. Better than they did against the Dolphins yesterday.
I could see our defense holding them to 17 points. The offense must get off to a fast start though. Cannot start the first drive off with a damn play action pass and sack.
Cannot get on a roll and then cough up the ball like they did. Cannot drop third down conversions like they did.
Just be better. Be better. Your home opener should be a "get right" game. If you're going for it on 4th down. Play calling needs to be better.
If the game is tied. Give the football more to your Quarterback.
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(09-09-2024, 09:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 08:59 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think this game is a lot more important now considering how we choked it away. Don't want this bad momentum to linger. Start off 0-2 with back to back road games against bills and Texans, and we could find ourselves in a situation too difficult to recover from. 1-3 we can still go on a run but 0-4 and we're in a world of trouble. Browns is the most winnable of next three.
This game is important, but we should've beaten them last year with our MASH unit of a team on the field. Hopefully Neilsen can stop the Mighty Njoku from destroying our secondary again. We knew the first 5 were the tough part going in, it's a shame they let that one get away yesterday, but half the League have losses today...that's the nature of the NFL. I need to see more from the pass rush next week, Tua just didn't get hit enough yesterday and that let's their offense work. Watson looked terrible yesterday, I think they can get to him and once he's rattled he'll fold.
Njoku left the game yesterday with a high ankle sprain. Doubt we will have to worry about him this coming Sunday.
(09-09-2024, 10:57 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 10:29 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I see the mistakes, I don't share your certainty of the reason for those mistakes, so I don't attribute blame for what I don't know. You can go look all you want, you still won't know what was supposed to happen vs what did happen.
Play calling again. I will attribute blame accordingly all day. It’s not hard to recognize. Hopefully, the play calling is better vs the browns. This offense is stacked with weapons. If only we had an offensive guru calling the plays on this team. Hmm where might we find one of those?
The certainty that comes from ignorance is astounding, lol.
(09-09-2024, 11:05 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 09:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]This game is important, but we should've beaten them last year with our MASH unit of a team on the field. Hopefully Neilsen can stop the Mighty Njoku from destroying our secondary again. We knew the first 5 were the tough part going in, it's a shame they let that one get away yesterday, but half the League have losses today...that's the nature of the NFL. I need to see more from the pass rush next week, Tua just didn't get hit enough yesterday and that let's their offense work. Watson looked terrible yesterday, I think they can get to him and once he's rattled he'll fold.
Njoku left the game yesterday with a high ankle sprain. Doubt we will have to worry about him this coming Sunday.
Too bad for him, but good for us.
(09-09-2024, 11:05 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Watson was sacked six times yesterday. He tossed two interceptions. They had a hard time running it.
They should be able to get after him defensively. Better than they did against the Dolphins yesterday.
I could see our defense holding them to 17 points. The offense must get off to a fast start though. Cannot start the first drive off with a damn play action pass and sack.
Cannot get on a roll and then cough up the ball like they did. Cannot drop third down conversions like they did.
Just be better. Be better. Your home opener should be a "get right" game. If you're going for it on 4th down. Play calling needs to be better.
If the game is tied. Give the football more to your Quarterback.
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This is the correct answer. Make the play and no one will complain.
(09-09-2024, 11:05 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Watson was sacked six times yesterday. He tossed two interceptions. They had a hard time running it.
They should be able to get after him defensively. Better than they did against the Dolphins yesterday.
I could see our defense holding them to 17 points. The offense must get off to a fast start though. Cannot start the first drive off with a damn play action pass and sack.
Cannot get on a roll and then cough up the ball like they did. Cannot drop third down conversions like they did.
Just be better. Be better. Your home opener should be a "get right" game. If you're going for it on 4th down. Play calling needs to be better.
If the game is tied. Give the football more to your Quarterback.
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Wasn't this the exact theme of 2023? Just execute?
This blame has to fall on Pederson, right?
Watson is 6-1 lifetime against the Jaguars, and throughout history, the Browns and Jaguars always come down to a last minute/second play.
Last season against the Browns, Engram had 11 receptions for 95 yards and 2 TD.
The bad news is Lawrence threw 3 picks. We have historically been bad at covering the TE, and Njoku had 2 TD in that game.
(09-09-2024, 11:26 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Watson is 6-1 lifetime against the Jaguars, and throughout history, the Browns and Jaguars always come down to a last minute/second play.
Last season against the Browns, Engram had 11 receptions for 95 yards and 2 TD.
The bad news is Lawrence threw 3 picks. We have historically been bad at covering the TE, and Njoku had 2 TD in that game.
Well Njoku isn't playing. Trevor shouldn't even have been playing following his injury on MNF against the Bengals. Watson hasn't played the Jags as a Brown. And Kirk wasn't playing.
So yea.... I guess all those "facts" you threw out there matter for this game.
(09-09-2024, 11:26 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Watson is 6-1 lifetime against the Jaguars, and throughout history, the Browns and Jaguars always come down to a last minute/second play.
Last season against the Browns, Engram had 11 receptions for 95 yards and 2 TD.
The bad news is Lawrence threw 3 picks. We have historically been bad at covering the TE, and Njoku had 2 TD in that game.
Meh. Jaguars win by 13.
(09-09-2024, 08:06 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2024, 07:56 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He would have had over 200 yards yesterday if Kirk catches those two big drops on third down and Engram catches his little hitch route in one-on-one coverage for his first down.
That's what goes unsaid a lot after people look at the bottom line of each box score. He had 12 completions for 160 some odd yards with only 21 attempts and 3 major drops that would have made his numbers look better.
It's the same issues we have seen over the last two years with this offense. If it's not Trevor playing hero ball or forcing things that aren't there? It's literally everything else around him going to [BLEEP]. Dropped passes, fumbles inside the redzone, blown blocking assignments, etc.
I can only put so much on Lawrence, but, again, to Dan's point, "What are we doing?". You just paid Trevor some fat loot and you're having him pass it 21 times in the season opener after he was connecting DOTS to BTJ, Davis and Kirk earlier on in the game? Why the [BLEEP] did we clam up after ETN's fumble? Why did we stop being aggressive? Why didn't we figure this out?
That's on the coaching staff.
Also, the big penalty yardage (40 yards) from the BTJ play early on. Doesn't count for either one of them on the stat sheet, but if you're drawing conclusions from just stats you should probably include it.
Yeah, goes to show that the NFL PI rule makes the game wacky.
I had an idea - if it's defensive PI, instead of just giving the yards in a penalty, why not cap the penalty at 10 yards, but the offending player has to sit out for the next few downs? The number of downs they have to sit out would be related to how far down the field they were. It would give an incentive for QBs to "pick on" the best defenders on the field every now and then.
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