(10-13-2024, 04:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2024, 03:56 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Sadly Trevor is broken. Last year’s offensive line did him in. He has not shown an ounce of the confidence nor the swagger that got this team to 8-3 last year since his injury. Can he be salvaged? Maybe but Pederson nor Press are the answer.
Dude. He’s literally hitting players in the chest in the end zone. What do you want him to do?
I am not blaming him at all. He is a victim of the Duval curse. In any other city. On any other team. He would have lived up to the hype.
No team has stars at every position. You find players whose skills and strengths compliment the system and responsibilities you want from them. Then coach them up and build chemistry and resilience.
I get everyone's frustration but don't see us needing to tear it all down.
(10-13-2024, 04:26 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]No team has stars at every position. You find players whose skills and strengths compliment the system and responsibilities you want from them. Then coach them up and build chemistry and resilience.
I get everyone's frustration but don't see us needing to tear it all down.
I enjoyed watching the Bucs game that just wrapped up. Some guy named Sean Tucker and rookie Bucky Irving ran for like a combined 300 yards and multiple TDs. It was mice to see a team actually be competent at beating up the other team.
(10-13-2024, 04:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2024, 04:26 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]No team has stars at every position. You find players whose skills and strengths compliment the system and responsibilities you want from them. Then coach them up and build chemistry and resilience.
I get everyone's frustration but don't see us needing to tear it all down.
I enjoyed watching the Bucs game that just wrapped up. Some guy named Sean Tucker and rookie Bucky Irving ran for like a combined 300 yards and multiple TDs. It was mice to see a team actually be competent at beating up the other team.
Exactly. The Chiefs won a SB with 3 rookies starting in the secondary. Teams get production from late round draft picks and UFA that fit what they do. They aren't superstars or the best player but they do the job they want them to do.
There isn't a great way to identify which players to keep or move on from until you hire new coaches/GM with a new plan and see who fits in those new schemes.
(10-13-2024, 04:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2024, 03:56 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Sadly Trevor is broken. Last year’s offensive line did him in. He has not shown an ounce of the confidence nor the swagger that got this team to 8-3 last year since his injury. Can he be salvaged? Maybe but Pederson nor Press are the answer.
Dude. He’s literally hitting players in the chest in the end zone. What do you want him to do?
Take over as coach?
@@, but only kinda
(10-13-2024, 04:06 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2024, 04:00 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I think the entire team is broken. Since the ETN fumble in week 1, this team looks like they have completely lost all confidence in themselves and the coaches. It's shocking to watch this slow motion trainwreck each week knowing that just 2 seasons ago we were in the playoffs winning home game and then to watch it all just completely go sideways.
Agreed. There is talent on this team and that is what frustrates us all. The coaching is not bringing it out. Doug looks completely lost.
The team lacks discipline, and that is 99% on the coaches. We had chances yesterday, but yet again forgot to unholster the sidearm before squeezing the trigger. Multiple times. It's disgusting.
It's not a lack of talent. It's not even crap playcalls. It's just dudes having total mental lapses or not being ready for the moment. Injuries suck, and yes, our D is suffering and getting exploited due to key injuries, but damn if every team don't have to deal with the same mess.
(10-13-2024, 04:14 PM)Upatnoon Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2024, 04:22 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]There is a disconnect in the play caller and the offense. It appears the players don’t like Press, but Doug wants to be a head coach and not a coordinator.
The players to build around are there but a CB is needed.
Gabe Davis: I don't like Press so I am going to drop this TD pass
Evan Engram: I don't like Press so I will let the Bears punch this ball out of my hands
Ronald Darby: I don't like Press, so I will grab this Bears receiver going down the field
Trevor: I don't like Press, so I will throw it to the Bears
The reason the Jaguars keep losing is not because of Press, its because they continue to play poorly.
Its easy to blame coaching or playcalling, but sometimes players have it and sometimes they just don't. Unfortunatcly, this group, while individually showing a flash now and then, just aren't good enough.
You get a thumbs up from me on this one. This was not a team rebelling against the villainous coach. It wasn't even the coach setting them up to fail. It was unpreparedness on full display. Full stop.
(10-14-2024, 07:48 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2024, 04:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Dude. He’s literally hitting players in the chest in the end zone. What do you want him to do?
Take over as coach?
@@, but only kinda
(10-13-2024, 04:06 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. There is talent on this team and that is what frustrates us all. The coaching is not bringing it out. Doug looks completely lost.
The team lacks discipline, and that is 99% on the coaches. We had chances yesterday, but yet again forgot to unholster the sidearm before squeezing the trigger. Multiple times. It's disgusting.
It's not a lack of talent. It's not even crap playcalls. It's just dudes having total mental lapses or not being ready for the moment. Injuries suck, and yes, our D is suffering and getting exploited due to key injuries, but damn if every team don't have to deal with the same mess.
Mental toughness is a talent too, it's the talent Baalke can't seem to find the right measuring tape to examine.
4 main players: Trevor (by default), Tank, BTJ, Walker
As I sit here in my Tank Bigsbt shirt I can assure you that you do NOT build around running backs.
(10-20-2024, 12:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]As I sit here in my Tank Bigsbt shirt I can assure you that you do NOT build around running backs.
In three years, his career will essentially be over. There are rare exceptions, but overall, RBs his size are used up in five years' time.
(10-20-2024, 12:43 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2024, 12:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]As I sit here in my Tank Bigsbt shirt I can assure you that you do NOT build around running backs.
In three years, his career will essentially be over. There are rare exceptions, but overall, RBs his size are used up in five years' time.
I hate that. But it seems to be the case in the current NFL. I hope Tank doesn't fizzle out before his second contract. It looks like ETN is pretty much done at this point. Glad to have Tank. I just wish we don't waste him and the other good players we have to just being a mediocre team that can't make the playoffs.
I'd like to add Walker Little to a player I'm hoping we can build around. If he continues to play like he did today, we may have a good LT that we can depend on instead of Robinson.
I think our D has good players to also build around. Allen, Walker on the D Line. Miller and Olukun at LB. Muma is good depth. The secondary needs some work... It was good having Campell back. I didn't watch most of this game, so I'm not sure how well he played today. But he's still a capable starter.
(10-20-2024, 12:43 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2024, 12:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]As I sit here in my Tank Bigsbt shirt I can assure you that you do NOT build around running backs.
In three years, his career will essentially be over. There are rare exceptions, but overall, RBs his size are used up in five years' time.
I can't even see him lasting that long. ETN is already showing signs of wear and shouldn't get a contract.
(10-20-2024, 12:53 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2024, 12:43 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]In three years, his career will essentially be over. There are rare exceptions, but overall, RBs his size are used up in five years' time.
I can't even see him lasting that long. ETN is already showing signs of wear and shouldn't get a contract.
Especially if he plays many more games like today. He's going to feel this in the morning.
I've said it a million times but I like the approach many teams take where they draft a RB every other year in the late rounds (4-7) and sign one every year in undrafted free agency - then just keep working them into a sound scheme with a quality OL and they eventually end up with a good stable of backs on the cheap.
In the bigger picture of players to build around, I don't look at this roster that way.
There are a half dozen starters on both sides of the ball that would start on many other teams.
This team needs a new staff that can just add a few pieces and utilize the talent available more efficiently.
It's hard to put your finger on why this group of players makes so many unforced errors - but at the end of the day you're kind of forced to hold the staff accountable for not having them more prepared to NOT shoot themselves in the foot so much.
Time will tell. Tank seems pretty special to me. Derrick Henry and MJd lasted longer than 4-5 years.
Offense:
TLaw
Tank
BTJ
Engram
Defense:
Walker
Allen
Maybe add Miller to defense if he continues to look impressive. Everyone else can go or be re-evaluated when the new GM and coach come in.
By the way, it’s good to have more than one good running back. That one two punch will pay off. Don’t give up on etn. He’s a special one. He will bust some long runs and catches when he gets back.
I want to see the current offensive line with Little at left tackle continue to jell as a unit. If they do, the only glaring need will be a guard to replace Scherff. The skill position players are capable of doing well if the OL is able to show much-needed consistency and toughness.
(10-20-2024, 02:43 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I want to see the current offensive line with Little at left tackle continue to jell as a unit. If they do, the only glaring need will be a guard to replace Scherff. The skill position players are capable of doing well if the OL is able to show much-needed consistency and toughness.
they have their chance the next 4 games. We will see after they face a few stout defensive lines. The Pats are the worst in the league in defending the run, so may want to withhold getting too excited.
You guys ever get the feeling this whole team is being run by AI? I mean everything, the drafting, contracts, inactives, play calling ? It seems to hallucinate at times.