(10-03-2024, 03:55 PM)Portofino43 Wrote: [ -> ]At 0-4, our season is pretty much over as far as playoff hopes. If I were Shad, I would have been tempted to fire Baalke and Pedersen after the loss to the Texans. After thinking about it however, what's the point? He might just as well keep the staff assembled through this home game against the Clots (which we SHOULD win), and then let them take the team over to London for two weeks, too, because they are used to traveling over there, and they have had success doing so in the recent past.
If the losing streak continues through those three games, it would be tempting to fire the GM and HC after that, but looking at our remaining schedule, it's probably not going to get much better. Might as well ride out the season with them at that point, and enjoy some nice high draft picks.
At the end of the season, that's when I'd clean house of Baalke and the entire coaching staff. Hire Rick Spielman to be the new GM, and let him assemble a new coaching staff for next year and work with them to make the draft picks.
You let them go because why not? What's the point of keeping them? Get a headstart on the search. The only reason to keep them is if you're not sure if you're wanting to move on from them. If you already know that answer get them out and start over asap. Who knows maybe the interim coach and pull off a miracle.
(10-03-2024, 04:38 PM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2024, 03:55 PM)Portofino43 Wrote: [ -> ]At 0-4, our season is pretty much over as far as playoff hopes. If I were Shad, I would have been tempted to fire Baalke and Pedersen after the loss to the Texans. After thinking about it however, what's the point? He might just as well keep the staff assembled through this home game against the Clots (which we SHOULD win), and then let them take the team over to London for two weeks, too, because they are used to traveling over there, and they have had success doing so in the recent past.
If the losing streak continues through those three games, it would be tempting to fire the GM and HC after that, but looking at our remaining schedule, it's probably not going to get much better. Might as well ride out the season with them at that point, and enjoy some nice high draft picks.
At the end of the season, that's when I'd clean house of Baalke and the entire coaching staff. Hire Rick Spielman to be the new GM, and let him assemble a new coaching staff for next year and work with them to make the draft picks.
You let them go because why not? What's the point of keeping them? Get a headstart on the search. The only reason to keep them is if you're not sure if you're wanting to move on from them. If you already know that answer get them out and start over asap. Who knows maybe the interim coach and pull off a miracle.
I don't disagree with what you are saying. I felt the same way after Sunday.
But...
We can't fire Doug until after the London trip. You can't take the team to London for 2 weeks without a staff that at least knows the logistics of being in London for 2 weeks. Doug, for all his ineptitude, at least can be an administrator during a trip like that.
Who knows, if we win the next 3 games, give him till the end of the year. But he should be the first man fired, and then get a young offensive minded HC that's hungry to build something special.
There are plenty of HC candidates that could really make their mark here in Duval. We're not going to hire anyone this season anyways, it'll come in January/February/March after the good teams finish up the playoffs.
(10-03-2024, 12:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2024, 07:21 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]You’re cappin right now bro
No he's not. Capping = lies, tricks, insincerity, play-acting.
No cap = for real, seriously.
Cap = no way, that's a joke.
We need the Barbara Billingsley clip from Airplane! here. (IYKYK)
(10-03-2024, 12:34 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2024, 12:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]No he's not. Capping = lies, tricks, insincerity, play-acting.
No cap = for real, seriously.
Cap = no way, that's a joke.
Word? Well, cut him some slack, Jack. Not everybody can be slick willy around these parts. And that ain't no jive young blood.
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(10-03-2024, 04:38 PM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2024, 03:55 PM)Portofino43 Wrote: [ -> ]At 0-4, our season is pretty much over as far as playoff hopes. If I were Shad, I would have been tempted to fire Baalke and Pedersen after the loss to the Texans. After thinking about it however, what's the point? He might just as well keep the staff assembled through this home game against the Clots (which we SHOULD win), and then let them take the team over to London for two weeks, too, because they are used to traveling over there, and they have had success doing so in the recent past.
If the losing streak continues through those three games, it would be tempting to fire the GM and HC after that, but looking at our remaining schedule, it's probably not going to get much better. Might as well ride out the season with them at that point, and enjoy some nice high draft picks.
At the end of the season, that's when I'd clean house of Baalke and the entire coaching staff. Hire Rick Spielman to be the new GM, and let him assemble a new coaching staff for next year and work with them to make the draft picks.
You let them go because why not? What's the point of keeping them? Get a headstart on the search. The only reason to keep them is if you're not sure if you're wanting to move on from them. If you already know that answer get them out and start over asap. Who knows maybe the interim coach and pull off a miracle.
Was talking about this yesterday regarding a different team (go gata). It's really not worthwhile to mid-season fire unless:
- you have someone on staff that you believe is capable of the trial run
- you believe that keeping the coaches in place does harm to player development
- you believe that moving on somehow improves player development
There are obviously other circumstances that might force one's hand, but if you got a pile of dook to work with, grabbing a shovel and turning it over isn't gonna turn it into gold.
Urbz got way more than 4 weeks and it seemed like he was doing everything within his capability to dictate a firing. 0-4 is a bad start, but by no means is it the end of everything. Overreaction will get you nowhere but a constant cycle of restarting and negative progress.
(10-04-2024, 08:07 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2024, 04:38 PM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]You let them go because why not? What's the point of keeping them? Get a headstart on the search. The only reason to keep them is if you're not sure if you're wanting to move on from them. If you already know that answer get them out and start over asap. Who knows maybe the interim coach and pull off a miracle.
Was talking about this yesterday regarding a different team (go gata). It's really not worthwhile to mid-season fire unless:
- you have someone on staff that you believe is capable of the trial run
- you believe that keeping the coaches in place does harm to player development
- you believe that moving on somehow improves player development
There are obviously other circumstances that might force one's hand, but if you got a pile of dook to work with, grabbing a shovel and turning it over isn't gonna turn it into gold.
Urbz got way more than 4 weeks and it seemed like he was doing everything within his capability to dictate a firing. 0-4 is a bad start, but by no means is it the end of everything. Overreaction will get you nowhere but a constant cycle of restarting and negative progress.
0-4 with 3 games that were settled by less than a score. This team isn't getting blown out and doesn't look anything like the disfunction of the Urbz Error. It's all noise on the outside from people who don't know any better. And don't forget, we're seeing with a good coaching staff how easy it is to go back in the cellar because of just a few plays here and there, just imagine much easier it is with a new staff!
(10-04-2024, 09:46 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2024, 08:07 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Was talking about this yesterday regarding a different team (go gata). It's really not worthwhile to mid-season fire unless:
- you have someone on staff that you believe is capable of the trial run
- you believe that keeping the coaches in place does harm to player development
- you believe that moving on somehow improves player development
There are obviously other circumstances that might force one's hand, but if you got a pile of dook to work with, grabbing a shovel and turning it over isn't gonna turn it into gold.
Urbz got way more than 4 weeks and it seemed like he was doing everything within his capability to dictate a firing. 0-4 is a bad start, but by no means is it the end of everything. Overreaction will get you nowhere but a constant cycle of restarting and negative progress.
0-4 with 3 games that were settled by less than a score. This team isn't getting blown out and doesn't look anything like the disfunction of the Urbz Error. It's all noise on the outside from people who don't know any better. And don't forget, we're seeing with a good coaching staff how easy it is to go back in the cellar because of just a few plays here and there, just imagine much easier it is with a new staff!
Agreed, because it is not like that. This is silly. I went and looked and the report is false. The locker room is not lost, it is exactly where it was and why would you blame one person anyway, one person couldn't move it.
(10-04-2024, 10:03 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2024, 09:46 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]0-4 with 3 games that were settled by less than a score. This team isn't getting blown out and doesn't look anything like the disfunction of the Urbz Error. It's all noise on the outside from people who don't know any better. And don't forget, we're seeing with a good coaching staff how easy it is to go back in the cellar because of just a few plays here and there, just imagine much easier it is with a new staff!
Agreed, because it is not like that. This is silly. I went and looked and the report is false. The locker room is not lost, it is exactly where it was and why would you blame one person anyway, one person couldn't move it.
Agreed, Urbz lost the locker room and somehow found his way into Nebraska.
(10-04-2024, 10:06 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2024, 10:03 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed, because it is not like that. This is silly. I went and looked and the report is false. The locker room is not lost, it is exactly where it was and why would you blame one person anyway, one person couldn't move it.
Agreed, Urbz lost the locker room and somehow found his way into Nebraska.
Could be, I can see that being the plan all along. Urbz builds a new Locker room then takes the old one with him when he leaves. Maybe Doug has lost the old locker room?
Got to think they'll come out and play as hard as possible to silence these questions. If they lose again, the questions only get louder and more annoying, and that's when you really lose a locker room because players start questioning the questioning.
Players don't care about the fans. This is not the idealic days of NFL football. Why would they? They have too much going on to care.
It seems a lot of the Fandom stuff is just for us and the big machine goes on and on.
(10-04-2024, 10:58 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Players don't care about the fans. This is not the idealic days of NFL football. Why would they? They have too much going on to care.
It seems a lot of the Fandom stuff is just for us and the big machine goes on and on.
There is no NFL without the consumers aka the fans.
Imagine what Jack del Rio could do with this roster.
(10-04-2024, 11:37 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine what Jack del Rio could do with this roster.
3 yards and a cloud of dust probably. It's so weird how our offensive identity has changed over the years. Prior to Doug, or, really maybe Urban. I can't quite recall.
It felt like we could at least always run the football, even against 8 - 9 man loaded boxes because they knew we couldn't throw it to save our lives it felt like.
I remember Maurice Jones-Drew's best year here where he had, what was it? 1,600+ yards rushing? They all knew it, we all knew it, the blind man up in Nova Scotia knew it. We were running that football regardless of what the defense presented us with.
The fact that we can't consistently pick-up a yard on the ground when our lives depends on it bothers me.
(10-04-2024, 12:26 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2024, 11:37 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine what Jack del Rio could do with this roster.
3 yards and a cloud of dust probably. It's so weird how our offensive identity has changed over the years. Prior to Doug, or, really maybe Urban. I can't quite recall.
It felt like we could at least always run the football, even against 8 - 9 man loaded boxes because they knew we couldn't throw it to save our lives it felt like.
I remember Maurice Jones-Drew's best year here where he had, what was it? 1,600+ yards rushing? They all knew it, we all knew it, the blind man up in Nova Scotia knew it. We were running that football regardless of what the defense presented us with.
The fact that we can't consistently pick-up a yard on the ground when our lives depends on it bothers me.
That's what you get when you have the two best run blocking Samoan guards in the League on the field. We signed greyhounds not bulldozers.
(10-04-2024, 01:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2024, 12:26 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]3 yards and a cloud of dust probably. It's so weird how our offensive identity has changed over the years. Prior to Doug, or, really maybe Urban. I can't quite recall.
It felt like we could at least always run the football, even against 8 - 9 man loaded boxes because they knew we couldn't throw it to save our lives it felt like.
I remember Maurice Jones-Drew's best year here where he had, what was it? 1,600+ yards rushing? They all knew it, we all knew it, the blind man up in Nova Scotia knew it. We were running that football regardless of what the defense presented us with.
The fact that we can't consistently pick-up a yard on the ground when our lives depends on it bothers me.
That's what you get when you have the two best run blocking Samoan guards in the League on the field. We signed greyhounds not bulldozers.
Well, get a note to Baalke and Pederson. We need greydozers or bullhounds. Basically Jason Peters. We need Jason Peters at LT - LG - C - RG - RT.
(10-04-2024, 11:35 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2024, 10:58 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Players don't care about the fans. This is not the idealic days of NFL football. Why would they? They have too much going on to care.
It seems a lot of the Fandom stuff is just for us and the big machine goes on and on.
There is no NFL without the consumers aka the TV contracts fans.
FTFY
(10-04-2024, 11:37 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine what Jack del Rio could do with this roster.
one thing's for certain, with his penchant for scapegoating assistants, it would be a very different outlook for Press
(10-04-2024, 08:07 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2024, 04:38 PM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]You let them go because why not? What's the point of keeping them? Get a headstart on the search. The only reason to keep them is if you're not sure if you're wanting to move on from them. If you already know that answer get them out and start over asap. Who knows maybe the interim coach and pull off a miracle.
Was talking about this yesterday regarding a different team (go gata). It's really not worthwhile to mid-season fire unless:
- you have someone on staff that you believe is capable of the trial run
- you believe that keeping the coaches in place does harm to player development
- you believe that moving on somehow improves player development
There are obviously other circumstances that might force one's hand, but if you got a pile of dook to work with, grabbing a shovel and turning it over isn't gonna turn it into gold.
Urbz got way more than 4 weeks and it seemed like he was doing everything within his capability to dictate a firing. 0-4 is a bad start, but by no means is it the end of everything. Overreaction will get you nowhere but a constant cycle of restarting and negative progress.
I wasn't trying to imply that Doug should be fired now. I was simply saying if Shad already knows he's gone then he should do it now. As far as it not being worthwhile, my argument is it doesn't have to be. The real question should be why not? There doesn't have to be a benefit in letting him go (again assuming Shad knows he's firing him anyways), there simply needs to not be a negative in letting him go. Like if letting him go would hurt players in some way then keep him but if not, gut ties. In my opinion if Shad removed him now that would send a message that he isn't playing around and he could hire a firm to start looking for the next candidate. That's months headstart on interviewing everyone and their brother.
(10-04-2024, 01:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2024, 12:26 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]3 yards and a cloud of dust probably. It's so weird how our offensive identity has changed over the years. Prior to Doug, or, really maybe Urban. I can't quite recall.
It felt like we could at least always run the football, even against 8 - 9 man loaded boxes because they knew we couldn't throw it to save our lives it felt like.
I remember Maurice Jones-Drew's best year here where he had, what was it? 1,600+ yards rushing? They all knew it, we all knew it, the blind man up in Nova Scotia knew it. We were running that football regardless of what the defense presented us with.
The fact that we can't consistently pick-up a yard on the ground when our lives depends on it bothers me.
That's what you get when you have the two best run blocking Samoan guards in the League on the field. We signed greyhounds not bulldozers.
Uche was great and so was Manuwai. I miss Uche, he had such great podcasts. He's sorely missed by his friends and family. But I miss him too, without knowing him.
But let's not ignore MJD. Dude was special. He should be recognized for his toughness, his ability to find holes, and his football intelligence to gvie up TDs and just lay down at the 1 yard line.
MJD was special. Uche was special. Manuwai was great too. That offense, while not really good overall, had an identity. We just haven't seemed to find our identity thus far. Hopefully this Sunday things can turn around.
(10-05-2024, 08:30 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2024, 01:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]That's what you get when you have the two best run blocking Samoan guards in the League on the field. We signed greyhounds not bulldozers.
Uche was great and so was Manuwai. I miss Uche, he had such great podcasts. He's sorely missed by his friends and family. But I miss him too, without knowing him.
But let's not ignore MJD. Dude was special. He should be recognized for his toughness, his ability to find holes, and his football intelligence to gvie up TDs and just lay down at the 1 yard line.
MJD was special. Uche was special. Manuwai was great too. That offense, while not really good overall, had an identity. We just haven't seemed to find our identity thus far. Hopefully this Sunday things can turn around.
Uche was Nigerian. The other Samoan was Chris Naole.
(10-05-2024, 08:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2024, 08:30 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Uche was great and so was Manuwai. I miss Uche, he had such great podcasts. He's sorely missed by his friends and family. But I miss him too, without knowing him.
But let's not ignore MJD. Dude was special. He should be recognized for his toughness, his ability to find holes, and his football intelligence to gvie up TDs and just lay down at the 1 yard line.
MJD was special. Uche was special. Manuwai was great too. That offense, while not really good overall, had an identity. We just haven't seemed to find our identity thus far. Hopefully this Sunday things can turn around.
Uche was Nigerian. The other Samoan was Chris Naole.
Thanks, I didn't know who he was talking about... Uche was from Texas. But I didn't have enough time to try and figure out the Samoan reference. I didn't even think Chris Naole was Samoan.
Still, anytime I can reference Uche, I will. I freakin' love that guy. So long as I'm alive, his memory will be here.