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Quote:And she was condemned for that incessantly for weeks by the left and subsequently lost the primary.


Back to trump, so if the second amendment people would be able to stop it, why would it be sad day? If the second amendment people stopped it in the Senate, wouldn't that be a happy day? His words are clear.



And if he's referring to conned-servative republicans in the Senate, why didn't he just say that?


When you mention the 2nd amendment option, as flsprt points out, you're taking about feeding the tree of liberty with the blood of the tyrannical.


Now, that's all well and good-- Except that no matter what you think of the Clintons, tyrants they are not.

No as he stated and has been stated, the nra and other advocacy groups weigh in on legislation all the time.


If not for budget reconciliation obamacare was dead in the water. This want a call for a SECOND AMENDMENT OPTION.


And he clearly said you won't have a chance to stop it, maybe we can who knows, but that would we a sad day (the repeal of the second amendment)


That's a lot different than saying yeh im sticking around in case someone shoots the black guy. And there want nearly the hand wringing and she was already behind at the time.

Quote:Didn't realize they had AR-15's during the Jefferson era.  Anyway, I think there is a happy medium.  I'm quite ok with people owning certain rifles and handguns but don't think anyone other than law enforcement and authorized shooting gallaries should own assault rifles.

 

Did you know that most of the artillery used by the Continental Army was private property? They may not've had AR-15s, but they owned, privately, sans-government, the current military grade weaponry of the day. The Second Amendment is really saying that the government should not have better or more readily available weapons than the populace, who must be prepared to take up arms for or against it at any time. What the Framers did NOT want was government, military, law "enforcement" or anyone else to be able to conquer and subjugate the people,hence the Second and our enumerated right to weaponry that protects the First, our first defense against tyranny.

Trump is an idiot. Hopefully some mentally sick individual doesn't go out and do exactly what he's insinuating.

Quote:Trump is an idiot. Hopefully some mentally sick individual doesn't go out and do exactly what he's insinuating.

 

It literally blows my mind that this fool could be president. We live in a country where jobs are experienced based. There are crappy minimum wage jobs involving kitchen duty that require years of experience and yet we'll hand the keys to America to this buffoon who would probably legalize the Purge because the wrong dressing was placed on his salad.

Oh jj... you're embarrassing yourself.


So the NRA and gun advocacy groups weigh in on legislation. But trump was talking about judges to the supreme court.


The nra and gun advocacy groups don't weigh in on justice confirmation hearings. Only senators do.


On top of that, a justice confirmation hearing is not considered legislation!!! Lol!


Again if he was taking about political options, he would have used different terms. The 2nd amendment option means something very specific.


Someone as smart as you knows this. To try and defend this stupid gaffe makes you look small...


This is just like the plagiarism thing. You conned-servatives are insulting everyone's intelligence by trying to twist his stupidity into something else. Just admit it, and move on.



But don't sit there and try to act like we all don't know what he's saying.


Just like when Hillary said that stupid thing about Robert Kennedy, she got run through the coals for weeks. Liberals destroyed her for that. I guess liberals have a stronger sense of morality than you and conned-servatives like Rudy do?

Quote:Oh jj... you're embarrassing yourself.

He excels at that.

Quote:So an elected president that is nominating justices that you disagree with is worthy of the 2nd amendment option, huh?


That seems a tad extreme, no?

 

If the SCOTUS ruled that the 2nd Amendment was null and void for individuals, that would be a tad extreme.   

Quote:If the SCOTUS ruled that the 2nd Amendment was null and void for individuals, that would be a tad extreme.   

 

Obama taking everyone's guns or nah?

Quote:Obama taking everyone's guns or nah?

 

What are you talking about?  Progressives know they can't come right out and say it, so they use creeping incrementalism to further their aims.  How many anti-gun laws and executive orders have been passed in the last 8 years?  How many have been repealed? 

Pigs in a blanket...

Wow, I guess some of you folks really do think that was a call for Shrillary to be whacked. The left never ceases to amaze me. Comical.

Quote:Trump is an idiot. Hopefully some mentally sick individual doesn't go out and do exactly what he's insinuating.

Gabby Giffords.

Quote:Gabby Giffords.

I assume you're referring to the lunatic who had radical leftist political viewpoints? 

Quote:I assume you're referring to the lunatic who had radical leftist political viewpoints? 

I'm reffering to crazy's that go off and shoot people for political reasons . Not everything is about your team. Maybe to you. 

Quote:If the SCOTUS ruled that the 2nd Amendment was null and void for individuals, that would be a tad extreme.

Oh dear. Byron, my friend, just stop...


That's not how the constitution works!!! An amendment, by definition is constitutional!!!!


The SCOTUS cannot strike down the 2nd or any amendment!!! Only congress and the states can do that by affirming another amendment to supplant the other!!!!

Quote:Oh dear. Byron, my friend, just stop...


That's not how the constitution works!!! An amendment, by definition is constitutional!!!!


The SCOTUS cannot strike down the 2nd or any amendment!!! Only congress and the states can do that by affirming another amendment to supplant the other!!!!

 

They can effectively change the function of the Amendment by redefining it to suit their agenda. A reversal of Heller or McDonald by a young Lefty court could effectively neuter the protections of the Second and permit all sorts of bans, taxes, and the like. Words like "shall make no law" and "shall not be infringed" can be turned to say whatever the politicians want them to say and are no guarantee of our continued freedom. 

Quote:They can effectively change the function of the Amendment by redefining it to suit their agenda. A reversal of Heller or McDonald by a young Lefty court could effectively neuter the protections of the Second and permit all sorts of bans, taxes, and the like. Words like "shall make no law" and "shall not be infringed" can be turned to say whatever the politicians want them to say and are no guarantee of our continued freedom. 

 

LOL, uh huh...  So let's kill 'em, huh?

 

You know, the Citizen's united ruling and even Gore v. Bush could be seen as tyrannical and killing our freedoms.   Yet, I would never advocate for a 2nd amendment solution.  Fighting for your positions and agendas and working through the political system, in this modern era is really the only solution.  

 

Dr. King is the role model we should all be following.  

Quote:LOL, uh huh...  So let's kill 'em, huh?

 

You really think that's what I advocate?

I think the threat of confiscation is overblown by the Right.  There are more guns in the hands of citizens in this country than there are citizens.  A gun grab would be extremely difficult and armed resistance would likely coagulate against it and the government knows this.  

 

I do think the AR-15 is unfairly demonized though and is often held up as an example of enabling mass shootings sometimes even after events where a different style of gun was used.  AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle nor does the AR-15 fall into the assault rifle class which it is often mistakenly put there by the media.  If a ban on 30 round magazines ever made its way through Congress, people would find ways around it and quite frankly some hand guns have 15 round magazines or better and I would argue that two 15+ round pistols could be just as deadly if not more so than one 30 round AR-15 because a properly prepared shooter would be able to essentially move at full speed and if a jam happens you still have the other hand gun.  Are we then going to ban 15 round magazines for hand guns as well?

 

The above examples of potential legislation are much more likely to happen than large scale gun confiscation and that's what we need to be worried about, not the Left's end game which is extremely far away from where we are right now.

Quote:Dr. King is the role model we should all be following.  

 

Martin Luther King was shot and killed by agents of the U.S. Government.  This was proven in the civil case won by the King family.  He was also denied a concealed carry permit even though there were numerous threats on his life.