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Quote:Smug is my middle name. I get smacked by the wife quite a bit because of it.

 

she wears the pants, huh? im not surprised.

I just read the description of this board:

 

Please try to keep the conversations about politics relevant to sports.

 

Boy, have we failed.

Quote:she wears the pants, huh? im not surprised.

Happy wife, happy life.


Plus she keeps me well fed, and I get to watch the jaguars every Sunday with no interruption.


It's a cage, but it's got a great view and the seating is comfortable. Foods pretty good too.

Quote:I just read the description of this board:

 

Please try to keep the conversations about politics relevant to sports.

 

Boy, have we failed.

 

Not really.  Making TAM and the other libs look silly is a fun sport.  It's getting kind of boring actually because they do it to themselves.

Quote:Not really. Making TAM and the other libs look silly is a fun sport. It's getting kind of boring actually because they do it to themselves.

Whatever, ito

Quote:Whatever, ito

 

OOhhh... BERN!!!

Quote:Under the Bush administration 30,000 Sunni soldiers were fired when we disbanded iraq's military...


Those Sunni soldiers began to organize and eventually became Isis...


So, you're actually not wrong.

Hold on there, Tex.  You can't simultaneously say ISIS started in 1999, and then magically blame it on Bush.  I know that is what your icon and supreme ruler, Barry Soetoro might do all the time, but let's stick with reality here.

Quote:Hold on there, Tex. You can't simultaneously say ISIS started in 1999, and then magically blame it on Bush. I know that is what your icon and supreme ruler, Barry Soetoro might do all the time, but let's stick with reality here.

And yet that's what happened...


It's not that hard to Google, you know

Quote:And yet that's what happened...


It's not that hard to Google, you know

So, you Googled and discovered Bush was president in 1999?  Good catch.  You're definitely using the democrat approved Google.

Quote:So, you Googled and discovered Bush was president in 1999? Good catch. You're definitely using the democrat approved Google.

If you're gonna be a jerk, don't bother responding...


By the way, I never mentioned anything about 1999. So your barking up the wrong tree with that, fido.


I pointed out the fact that Bush is responsible for firing the Sunni military which eventually began fighting for/with Isis.

Quote:If you're gonna be a jerk, don't bother responding...


By the way, I never mentioned anything about 1999. So your barking up the wrong tree with that, fido.


I pointed out the fact that Bush is responsible for firing the Sunni military which eventually began fighting for/with Isis.

You didn't, but it's an historical fact that ISIS was actually founded in 1999.  Who was the president? 

 

I'll give you a hint.  He had a thing for interns and thick ankles.  The same guy who had Osama bin Laden in his sights and chickened out, but beefed up his man cred by bombing an aspirin factory.

 

Bush wasn't responsible for ISIS.  Clinton was.  Bush wasn't responsible for the expansion of ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood.  That was all on King Obama. 

So Bush was innocent in the growth of Isis?

Quote:Under the Bush administration 30,000 Sunni soldiers were fired when we disbanded iraq's military...
Those Sunni soldiers began to organize and eventually became Isis...

So, you're actually not wrong.

  

Quote:If you're gonna be a jerk, don't bother responding...

By the way, I never mentioned anything about 1999. So your barking up the wrong tree with that, fido.

I pointed out the fact that Bush is responsible for firing the Sunni military which eventually began fighting for/with Isis.

Exactly how do you begin fighting for/with a group that didn't exist before you join?

Quote:So Bush was innocent in the growth of Isis?

I'm sure ISIS grew during his presidency, but it exploded when your icon took over.  That really can't be disputed, just as the actual history of when ISIS was founded can't be. Nobody had even heard of ISIS prior to Obama.  They were considered al Qaeda in Iraq until the democrats needed to say there was never any sign of al Qaeda in Iraq.  At that point, we suddenly started hearing ISIS/ISIL (Obama loves the latter because it really throws a dig at Israel).

Quote:Besides, when you add "duh", I take it to mean sarcasm.

So there's a good chance bunnie honestly thinks Bush is not responsible for creating Isis...

  

Quote:So Bush was innocent in the growth of Isis?

Just going to leave this right here....

Quote:please explain which part of "THE CIA TRAINED ISIS MEMBERS" is inaccurate.... 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery...c835329c78

 

 

“We had, in the early stages, information that radical groups had used the vacuum of the Arab Spring, and that some of the people the U.S. and their allies had trained to fight for ‘democracy’ in Libya and Syria had a jihadist agenda — already or later, [when they] joined al Nusra or the Islamic State,”

 

 

Quote:haha. you need to get your timeline straightened out.

 

 

Quote:Do I?


Or do you???

 

 

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bruh, can you read?  educate yourself.  the article i linked (one of thousands probably on this topic) says in the FIRST LINE:

 

"In recent years, President Obama, his European friends, and even some Middle Eastern allies, have supported “rebel groups” in Libya and Syria."


 

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Quote:Which is all Bush's fault...duh.

 

Why do you always seem to leave out important details?  Is it because you have a problem with context?

Quote:I'm sure ISIS grew during his presidency, but it exploded when your icon took over.  That really can't be disputed, just as the actual history of when ISIS was founded can't be. Nobody had even heard of ISIS prior to Obama.  They were considered al Qaeda in Iraq until the democrats needed to say there was never any sign of al Qaeda in Iraq.  At that point, we suddenly started hearing ISIS/ISIL (Obama loves the latter because it really throws a dig at Israel).

 

First...  Where did ISIS form in 1999?  Was it in Iraq?  I know the answer to this question, and the fact that you do not bring up this key point shows that you are just being intellectually dishonest.

 

ISIS formed in 1999 but didn't enter Iraq untill your boy lied us into an occupation and then fired the military that was made up of mostly Sunni soldiers.  So basically under Bush, ISIS in Iraq went from 0 to thousands...  

 

Going from 0 to thousands is an explosion, don't you think?  You know, if you actually tried to have an honest conversation instead of trying to be dishonest with the conversation, you'd get further.  

 

As for leaving Iraq - we were all chomping at the bit to stay in Iraq at that time.  Remember?  Remember how everyone was begging Obama to stay in Iraq indefinately?  I sure do.  

You know what the people also didn't say?  

 

Hey, Obama, what we want for you to do is participate in a proxy war, give Islamic extremists weapons and training in a fight against Assad.... and the entire world.

OBAMA HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO ARM ISIS.  THE PEOPLE WANTED OUT OF IRAQ.  WHAT'S A GUY TO DO?!

Quote:First...  Where did ISIS form in 1999?  Was it in Iraq?  I know the answer to this question, and the fact that you do not bring up this key point shows that you are just being intellectually dishonest.

 

ISIS formed in 1999 but didn't enter Iraq untill your boy lied us into an occupation and then fired the military that was made up of mostly Sunni soldiers.  So basically under Bush, ISIS in Iraq went from 0 to thousands...  

 

Going from 0 to thousands is an explosion, don't you think?  You know, if you actually tried to have an honest conversation instead of trying to be dishonest with the conversation, you'd get further.  

 

As for leaving Iraq - we were all chomping at the bit to stay in Iraq at that time.  Remember?  Remember how everyone was begging Obama to stay in Iraq indefinately?  I sure do.  

 

How am I being dishonest?  I've provided facts to back up my points.  You've simply followed the typical playbook your master teleprompter reader in the Oval Office uses, blaming it on Bush.  I've never said ISIS didn't expand in numbers under Bush.  But, you're being completely dishonest when you act like that growth came with expansion of control, because that didn't happen until later when your inept king was busily running around on tour apologizing for America..

 

For those who weren't trying to make the Bush administration look worse by saying al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq, the ISIS / ISIL label was a convenient word game to avoid confirming that al Qaeda was indeed in Iraq.  That's not intellectually dishonest on my part.  That's intellectually dishonest on the part of anyone who said al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq with multiple camps.  Going from control over nothing to basically running a country and expanding their terror footprint into the rest of the Middle East, Europe, and abroad is a true explosion.   But, in order to agree with that, you'll have to admit that your beloved ruler was responsible since it happened under his watch.  I know you can't do that because for all the love and energy you put into defending your pantsuited princess, you will double down on the defense you put up for Barry Soetoro.  After all, it's his playbook you're working with.

 

There was already a plan underway to withdraw the majority of troops from Iraq, but not all of them.  Obama didn't have the spine to stand up to Iraq and insist on keeping a residual force there, and by showing no testicular fortitude (par for the course unless you're using drones), Obama basically rolled out the red carpet for ISIS (we can't call them al Qaeda in Iraq for obvious reasons) to fill the void and they were only too happy to oblige.