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just want to remind everyone that this is from 1 single practice where they focused on 1-on-1's...
yeah, not a Sparq athlete, or a force athlete, and remember KyJaggy's "he can't change direction quickly as evidenced by his 3 cone drill".... watch how he made Mr. Parnell sit on his [BAD WORD REMOVED] because of his change of direction ability.
1 and 4 are the same play. After he beats Wells with good hand usage (which I said he had) that is a very circuitous bend. A QB is going to easily step up or have the ball delivered before that. On 2 and 3 I said he had a good bull rush and inside spin...
Not sure what this is trying to refute. All it shows is that my evaluation has been correct so far.
Quote:1 and 4 are the same play. After he beats Wells with good hand usage (which I said he had) that is a very circuitous bend. A QB is going to easily step up or have the ball delivered before that. On 2 and 3 I said he had a good bull rush and inside spin...
Not sure what this is trying to refute. All it shows is that my evaluation has been correct so far.
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is this the play where you claim he looks like a duck?
because if that is the case - I want him to do this duck move about 10x a game because it will lead to about 5 sacks/game for him
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is this the play where you claim he looks like a duck?
because if that is the case - I want him to do this duck move about 10x a game because it will lead to about 5 sacks/game for him
Yes, and like I said two or three times already...if that works consistently he could be a monster. Because it is a pretty unprecedented move, we don't know. OTs will study Fowler, see that, and adjust. If it's such a good move that the adjustments don't work then we'll have an MVP caliber threat on our hands.
If it's like most wonky mechanical things, which is to say successful before a good scouting report has been worked out, then he will probably merely be the floor version of what I said in that post...which is still a pretty darn good player but might be a little disappointing in the total sack numbers.
Quote:Yes, and like I said two or three times already...if that works consistently he could be a monster. Because it is a pretty unprecedented move, we don't know. OTs will study Fowler, see that, and adjust. If it's such a good move that the adjustments don't work then we'll have an MVP caliber threat on our hands.
If it's like most wonky mechanical things, which is to say successful before a good scouting report has been worked out, then he will probably merely be the floor version of what I said in that post...which is still a pretty darn good player but might be a little disappointing in the total sack numbers.
The reason I'm giving you a hard time with this is because you assert things when you are clearly not an expert in the field.
For instance, you talk about Fowler having wonky mechanics and lacking "ankle flexion"....
I actually studied biomechanics, whereas you did not. The reason I know that is because you use terms like "ankle flexion".
Your twitter scouts don't know everything. I would rather listen to coaches and former players. What they look for in defensive ends when they're coming off the edge is their inside foot. As they make the corner, if their inside foot is pointed towards the QB, they are considered to be "bending around the edge". Lageman said Dante clearly has that ability. If the inside foot isn't pointed in the direction of the QB, the tackle is able to easily push him up the field. Having your foot pointed towards the QB is what allows Dante to basically bend or duck (if you want to use your term) under and around the offensive lineman. he makes nearly a 90* turn in direction and is instantly pointed towards Blake. That, my friend, is bending around the edge.
Now, that won't happen every time he rushes the QB, but he has the ability to "bend around the edge."
So "ankle flexion" or whatever you guys are looking at is missing the entire point of what he is trying to do. He needs hip external ROTATION from his inner plant leg, in addition to ankle dorsiflexion and knee flexion, to bend around the edge. In fact, he is able to do it so well that he can get so low, almost as if he is "ducking" under the offensive tackles arms.
Obviously your feet are what dictate the direction on a bend, but the ankles are what transfers the momentum smoothly, which is the more important part. If you are like Dante and the ankles are not malleable enough to transfer the momentum then you wind up on the turf (or you take a very circuitous route like 1 and 4 in the other gif post) because your body is wanting to go one way while your momentum is going the other way, which is what happened after he ducked Wells in that scrimmage gif.
Quote:Sloppy? They had a top 5 defense and Fowler went 3rd overall?
Sloppy as in UF coaching with consistency and technique. Even Fowler's draft profile said he was such a raw pass rusher and he'll be better than what he was in college.
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Strong-side 3-4 outside linebacker with the physical traits and above-average potential to set the edge or spill runs wide to an early demise. Fowler is a competitive pass rusher getting by on athleticism and inside moves right now, but has a Pro Bowl ceiling with double-digit sack potential if he takes coaching and addresses his rush technique
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The thing about Fowler that we wont have to worry about, is he will bring it every play, always playing hard and always in attack mode
Quote:I have been as impressed by Dante this spring as anyone, but lets be honest...the two main outside rushes y'all have been raving about have not been bends or even dips, they're some weird ducking thing. In fact, after his duck thing that worked well in the scrimmage he did have to bend to get to Bortles and he came out from under his feet and fell down. If he could bend anything close to the guys you've been comparing him to in this thread he would have had an easy sack.
He's showing exactly what he showed at UF, save for those two weird ducks. He has good hands and power for the bull rush, he has good inside counter moves with the swim and with the spin, and he has an excellent motor. He still hasn't shown an ability to get to the QB on an actual outside rush except for those ducks. Are we assuming that that an unprecedented move like that is going to keep working? If so then he could be a terrifying pass rusher that is racking up double digit sacks a year. If not then he is going to be what I have said, which is a good all around player who gets plenty of disruption and pressures while being stout against the run, but ultimately stuck in the ~8 sack range annually.
He's no vic Beasley..... That's for sure.
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Quote:Obviously your feet are what dictate the direction on a bend, but the ankles are what transfers the momentum smoothly, which is the more important part. If you are like Dante and the ankles are not malleable enough to transfer the momentum then you wind up on the turf (or you take a very circuitous route like 1 and 4 in the other gif post) because your body is wanting to go one way while your momentum is going the other way, which is what happened after he ducked Wells in that scrimmage gif.
Hahaha that other dude sits there and schools you on not only what professionals defined as what we look at in "bend" and he studied and schooled you on biomechanics and you still argue with him. Hilarious.
You've had to come to the realization at this point that no one on this board takes anything you say seriously. So I'm not even sure why you keep it up.
I can't wait till the season starts so we can put whether Fowler is worth the 3rd pick or not to rest once and for all.
Quote:I can't wait till the season starts so we can put whether Fowler is worth the 3rd pick or not to rest once and for all.
Now you know damn well there will always be those who argue he wasn't worth it on this board. Regardless of how well he plays.
I dont care if he can bend or not, which we have seen that he can. The guy has a variety of moves to get to the qb. So if one way dont work he will mix it up find a wait to put the pressure on. The guy has a lot more than just a "bend" around the edge to get to the qb. Thats just one tool in his arsenal
Quote:Now you know damn well there will always be those who argue he wasn't worth it on this board. Regardless of how well he plays.
If we took Geno, then drafted Teddy, and Vic Beasley we would probably be Super Bowl contenders this year. Thats what the twitter dweebs wanted
I hope the cornerstone of this franchise' offense and defense is from the two consecutive 3rd picks in 14 and 15
Quote:The reason I'm giving you a hard time with this is because you assert things when you are clearly not an expert in the field.
For instance, you talk about Fowler having wonky mechanics and lacking "ankle flexion"....
I actually studied biomechanics, whereas you did not. The reason I know that is because you use terms like "ankle flexion".
Your twitter scouts don't know everything. I would rather listen to coaches and former players. What they look for in defensive ends when they're coming off the edge is their inside foot. As they make the corner, if their inside foot is pointed towards the QB, they are considered to be "bending around the edge". Lageman said Dante clearly has that ability. If the inside foot isn't pointed in the direction of the QB, the tackle is able to easily push him up the field. Having your foot pointed towards the QB is what allows Dante to basically bend or duck (if you want to use your term) under and around the offensive lineman. he makes nearly a 90* turn in direction and is instantly pointed towards Blake. That, my friend, is bending around the edge.
Now, that won't happen every time he rushes the QB, but he has the ability to "bend around the edge."
So "ankle flexion" or whatever you guys are looking at is missing the entire point of what he is trying to do. He needs hip external ROTATION from his inner plant leg, in addition to ankle dorsiflexion and knee flexion, to bend around the edge. In fact, he is able to do it so well that he can get so low, almost as if he is "ducking" under the offensive tackles arms.
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