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Quote:I think he was friends with Ali, or at least acquaintances, considering he was a promoter of many boxing events.

 

Hahahaha....what a phony. He probably didn't realize he was patronizing a durn Muzlim

Quote:Funny how a white person seems offended by his one comment, but in an interview, the black guy who Trump was referring to, wasn't offended at all.. Agenda much?

But. He's not supporting him. So maybe, just maybe, he's showing more class than the easily offended, thin skinned Trump, who can dish it out but not take it.


If anyone thinks his comments of late haven't hurt him are in deep naive territory. His own party and supporters are cringing.


This country is made up of so many diverse ethnicities . If you say unflattering things towards some, then you reap what you sow when you become paranoid when in their company. He clearly has lived in a privileged bubble. But of course, so many can relate to him.

Quote:But. He's not supporting him. So maybe, just maybe, he's showing more class than the easily offended, thin skinned Trump, who can dish it out but not take it.


If anyone thinks his comments of late haven't hurt him are in deep naive territory. His own party and supporters are cringing.

This country is made up of so many diverse ethnicities . If you say unflattering things towards some, then you reap what you sow when you become paranoid when in their company. He clearly has lived in a privileged bubble. But of course, so many can relate to him.

 

Pretty much.

“In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. … Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. … We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada

 

Can someone translate the last two sentences for me?  I'm having trouble.

Quote:“In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. … Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. … We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada

 

Can someone translate the last two sentences for me?  I'm having trouble.

 

Well, I wonder where you got that "quote" to begin with, but translating it is pretty much simple.  It simply means "for our people everything, for foreigners nothing".  Can you explain why that quote is in English except for the last two sentences?

Quote:Well, I wonder where you got that "quote" to begin with, but translating it is pretty much simple.  It simply means "for our people everything, for foreigners nothing".  Can you explain why that quote is in English except for the last two sentences?

 

It's from Espiritual de Aztlan, you'll have to ask the authors about the use of certain words.

Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA)

 

But this is coming straight from the official MEChA sites at Georgetown University, the University of Texas, UCLA, University of Michigan, University of Colorado, University of Oregon, and many other colleges and universities around the country.

Jag, let me say this.  I fully and completely beleive that you are 100% sincere in your expression of what "La Raza" means to you.   That being said, the above quote is evidence that some people do use the term as an exclusionary expression.  

Quote:Jag, let me say this.  I fully and completely beleive that you are 100% sincere in your expression of what "La Raza" means to you.   That being said, the above quote is evidence that some people do use the term as an exclusionary expression.  

 

You are absolutely correct regarding what the term means to me, and I don't doubt that some groups will use it in a derogatory/inflammatory way.  However, is/are the actions of a select group an indication of a larger group as a whole?

 

By the way, how long ago was that quote written?  What does it really mean?

Quote:You are absolutely correct regarding what the term means to me, and I don't doubt that some groups will use it in a derogatory/inflammatory way.  However, is/are the actions of a select group an indication of a larger group as a whole?

 

By the way, how long ago was that quote written?  What does it really mean?

 

Does time since it was said really matter? We still hold the KKK and the Black Panthers (better example) accountable for their past transgressions. Shouldn't we do the same for La Raza?

La raza is the same as the Klan or the Panthers or any other suprenecy group theyve just done a better job fractioning off and having some parts of their group look more reasonable than others.


Basically la raza looked at why the Klan and the Panthers could never maintstream differences and improved on their tactics.

Quote:You are absolutely correct regarding what the term means to me, and I don't doubt that some groups will use it in a derogatory/inflammatory way.  However, is/are the actions of a select group an indication of a larger group as a whole?

 

By the way, how long ago was that quote written?  What does it really mean?

 

The meaning of the quote is a fundamental statement of "Reconquista" There are some factions that believe that aztalan is a strip of land that rightly belongs to the Latin/Mexican people and that steps should be taken to have the land returned to "La Raza."  This includes but is not exclusive to California New Mexico and other western states.  The above quote was posted as a mission statement of the group cited and was present on the websites of the campuses cited.  They have been growing in strength and influence since the mid 60's.  A mayor of Los Angeles was a former member.  

 

In the riotous demonstrations outside Trump's last rally there were chants of "America was never great, Make California Mexico again."  That's a reiteration of "Reconquista" Doctrine.  

 

There is a subset of Foreign nationals that do not believe in the concept of assimilation and see their presence here, legally or otherwise, of advancing a goal of mitigating or eliminating American Sovereignty over lands they feel were unjustly annexed.  

 

Does that paint every person of latin decent with that Brush,of course not.  In the case of this judge when you have links to groups that have expressed sharp opposition to immigration policy and have terciary association with more radical elements then raising a question about partiality isn't out of the question.  

Quote:Hahahaha....what a phony. He probably didn't realize he was patronizing a durn Muzlim

What in the heck are you talking about?

Quote:What in the heck are you talking about?

 

He probably believes he is smarter than Donald Trump.

Y'know, on second thought, if you say a man can't do his job because of his ethnic background, that's a blatantly racist statement.

 

And that's what Donald did.  So maybe he is racist after all, and his apologists are once again trying to tell us "what he really meant".

 

For someone who "tells it like it is", he sure has a hard time telling us what he really means.

 

Unless Donald thinks that non-white races are inferior, in which case, he's doing a hell of a job telling us what he really means.

Quote:Y'know, on second thought, if you say a man can't do his job because of his ethnic background, that's a blatantly racist statement.

 

And that's what Donald did.  So maybe he is racist after all, and his apologists are once again trying to tell us "what he really meant".

 

For someone who "tells it like it is", he sure has a hard time telling us what he really means.

 

Unless Donald thinks that non-white races are inferior, in which case, he's doing a hell of a job telling us what he really means.

 

Donald Trumps comment was about the perceived conflict of interest on immigration policy.  

 

But let's go back in time a little bit.  

 

The left BURNED DOWN A CITY because Darren Wilson was White.  The Justice Department launched a federal civil rights investigation, that legal experts KNEW couldn't find wrong doing because Darren Wilson was White.  This was in contradiction of direct exculpatory evidence and lent credence to the claims that ultimately lead to the destruction of Ferguson Missouri.  

 

I don't want to hear this moral high hoarse crap.  

 

The whole concept of jury selection is based on understanding the subjective nature of those who sit in judgement.  If this judge were on a jury panel he would have been stricken first.  Because of his political affiliations dealing with a potential candidate for president the request for recusal is prudent not just valid.  

 

THIS CASE should NEVER have gone to trial.  The lead plaintiff had to be severed from the case because she was so shamefully discredited for crying out loud.  

Quote:Y'know, on second thought, if you say a man can't do his job because of his ethnic background, that's a blatantly racist statement.

 

Judges are allowed to do it with jurors, apparently.

 

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/black-ke...ite-jurors

 

I agree though, which is why Affirmative Action laws should be completely nullified. Regardless, the judge in the Trump U case should recuse himself because he does have obvious biases as a person who not only is an advocate for illegal immigration, but also a donator to Hillary Clinton and associate of La Raza.

 

Isn't it fascinating how much attention this irrelevant civil case gets from the media when their darling candidate is being actively investigated by the FBI for mishandling the nations secrets? Hypocrisy. It only makes me believe that this is the only dirt the media has on Trump, and come November this will be old news as he strolls into the White House. Maybe that is why he is keeping this story alive? Make everyone exhausted about it so nobody cares anymore.

 

Top Secret is defined as:

2a : containing or being information whose unauthorized disclosure could result in exceptionally grave danger to the nation <<b>top secret</b> messages> — compare confidential, <b>secret</b>b : of or relating to <b>top secret</b> documents <a <b>top secret</b> clearance>

 

Did the Trump U case put anyone or anything in exceptionally grave danger? No.

 

Has Hillary Clinton's arbitrary attitude towards the nations secrets? I think so.

So what I'm hearing, is that jj and JW agree.

 

The judge can't do his job because he's (allegedly) Mexican, and you know how THOSE people think.

 

Got it.

Quote:So what I'm hearing, is that jj and JW agree.

 

The judge can't do his job because he's (allegedly) Mexican, and you know how THOSE people think.

 

Got it.

 

He can't do his job because of his bias, yes. We have both listed multiple reasons as to why he should be recused.  This isn't some historical revelation in court proceeding.

From the mouth of a Supreme Court Justice:

 

 

In 2001, <a class="" href='http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/sonia_sotomayor/index.html?inline=nyt-per&version=meter+at+4&module=meter-Links&pgtype=article&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click' title="More articles about Sonia Sotomayor.">Sonia Sotomayor</a>, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”

 

<p class="">Judge Sotomayor has given several speeches about the importance of diversity. But her 2001 remarks at Berkeley, which were published by the Berkeley La Raza Law Journal, went further, asserting that judges’ identities will affect legal outcomes.

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<p class="">“Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences,” she said, for jurists who are women and nonwhite, “our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging.”

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/15j...2&referer=