Quote:He can't do his job because of his bias, yes. We have both listed multiple reasons as to why he should be recused. This isn't some historical revelation in court proceeding.
Trump is saying the judge should recuse himself because he probably disagrees with Trump on a certain political issue. But if we go down that road, where does it end? Can a Republican be a judge in a case involving a Democrat, for example, when the case has nothing to do with politics?
Here's what Newt Gingrich has to say about it.
"We don't judge you as part of a group," Gingrich said on The John Gibson Show. "That would be to suggest blacks can't get a fair white judge, whites can't get a fair black judge. Asians can get a fair judge unless they're Asian and by the way, Asian means if you're Chinese, it has to be a Chinese judge because Vietnamese, while they're Asian, aren't Chinese. Once you go down that road, you destroy America."
Trump's court case has nothing to do with the proposed border wall. But because the judge is of Mexican descent, he should recuse himself because he might disagree with Trump on the border wall? If we apply this kind of standard to all judges, can we even have judges at all?
So I guess if Hillary is indicted, we'll see calls for a Hillary-supporting Judge to avoid bias?
Has anyone seen the laws that were passed during the Clinton era of presidency as far as prison sentences and the like? We'll ignore that so you can call Trump a racist.
The funniest thing about this is 2 months ago I was as anti Trump as anyone on the right...but because of the way the left has handled themselves, I'm pushed closer and closer to voting for him.
Quote:Trump is saying the judge should recuse himself because he probably disagrees with Trump on a certain political issue. But if we go down that road, where does it end? Can a Republican be a judge in a case involving a Democrat, for example, when the case has nothing to do with politics?
Here's what Newt Gingrich has to say about it.
"We don't judge you as part of a group," Gingrich said on The John Gibson Show. "That would be to suggest blacks can't get a fair white judge, whites can't get a fair black judge. Asians can get a fair judge unless they're Asian and by the way, Asian means if you're Chinese, it has to be a Chinese judge because Vietnamese, while they're Asian, aren't Chinese. Once you go down that road, you destroy America."
Trump's court case has nothing to do with the proposed border wall. But because the judge is of Mexican descent, he should recuse himself because he might disagree with Trump on the border wall? If we apply this kind of standard to all judges, can we even have judges at all?
Bingo.
To go a step further, Trump said that the judge is "Mexican" which is simply not a true statement. His other big complaint is that the judge was appointed by President Obama. So what?
Trumpettes were quick to latch on to the name of an association that he is a member of, that being “La Raza Lawyers of San Diego” and try to tie it into "National Council of La Raza" even though they are two separate organizations.
The funny thing is, the law firm representing Donald Trump in the case (Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd) is listed on a brochure as a Sponser of La Raza Lawyers of San Diego's 2014 Annual Scholarship Fund Dinner & Gala.
Quote:So I guess if Hillary is indicted, we'll see calls for a Hillary-supporting Judge to avoid bias?
No, the judge will be a life-long tea party donor who is also a member of the NRA, military veteran, pro-life Christian, and anti-immigration.
Quote:Trump is saying the judge should recuse himself because he probably disagrees with Trump on a certain political issue. But if we go down that road, where does it end? Can a Republican be a judge in a case involving a Democrat, for example, when the case has nothing to do with politics?
Here's what Newt Gingrich has to say about it.
"We don't judge you as part of a group," Gingrich said on The John Gibson Show. "That would be to suggest blacks can't get a fair white judge, whites can't get a fair black judge. Asians can get a fair judge unless they're Asian and by the way, Asian means if you're Chinese, it has to be a Chinese judge because Vietnamese, while they're Asian, aren't Chinese. Once you go down that road, you destroy America."
Trump's court case has nothing to do with the proposed border wall. But because the judge is of Mexican descent, he should recuse himself because he might disagree with Trump on the border wall? If we apply this kind of standard to all judges, can we even have judges at all?
Quote:Bingo.
To go a step further, Trump said that the judge is "Mexican" which is simply not a true statement. His other big complaint is that the judge was appointed by President Obama. So what?
Trumpettes were quick to latch on to the name of an association that he is a member of, that being “La Raza Lawyers of San Diego” and try to tie it into "National Council of La Raza" even though they are two separate organizations. The funny thing is, the law firm representing Donald Trump in the case (Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd) is listed on a brochure as a Sponser of La Raza Lawyers of San Diego's 2014 Annual Scholarship Fund Dinner & Gala.
Requests like this are not uncommon when it comes to court, and handled differently by state. Requests to change judges, or locations (etc) are made a lot, and for many reasons. Talk about getting your panties in a bunch over nothing, or maybe because the left says to.
Quote:Requests like this are not uncommon when it comes to court, and handled differently by state. Requests to change judges, or locations (etc) are made a lot, and for many reasons. Talk about getting your panties in a bunch over nothing, or maybe because the left says to.
Requests for change of venue or for judges to recuse themselves are not terribly common, but they do occur.
This lawsuit has been going on for years, though. Donald's attorneys have had ample time to follow standard court procedures to ask for a new judge, but they chose not to. The reason Donald is going after him now is that he is deliberately attempting to delay any judgment until after the election so that he can avoid the possibility of losing a lawsuit.
According to Donald, he never loses. Many have bought into this myth, and he fears the appearance of weakness will diminish his standing with the electorate.
I want to ask a hypothetical.
We are in a war with, say, Russia. A popular, well-known defendant is running for political office who is heavily in favor of occupying Russia. He has a court hearing for whatever, unrelated. A Russian-American with pro-Russian stances and association with pro-Russian organizations is the judge of this civil case. Is it racist for the the defendant to ask for a recusal of the judge?
First I would say no, because Russian, much like Mexican, is not a race, but a nationality. Ignoring that, is it wrong to ask for a recusal in that situation?
Quote:From the mouth of a Supreme Court Justice:
In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”
Judge Sotomayor has given several speeches about the importance of diversity. But her 2001 remarks at Berkeley, which were published by the Berkeley La Raza Law Journal, went further, asserting that judges’ identities will affect legal outcomes.
“Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences,” she said, for jurists who are women and nonwhite, “our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/15j...2&referer=
She's saying judges are human beings. She doesn't say her ethnicity or gender prevents her from doing her job fairly.
Quote:I want to ask a hypothetical.
We are in a war with, say, Russia. A popular, well-known defendant is running for political office who is heavily in favor of occupying Russia. He has a court hearing for whatever, unrelated. A Russian-American with pro-Russian stances and association with pro-Russian organizations is the judge of this civil case. Is it racist for the the defendant to ask for a recusal of the judge?
First I would say no, because Russian, much like Mexican, is not a race, but a nationality. Ignoring that, is it wrong to ask for a recusal in that situation?
Just accept the fact that when you keep stepping in dog piss, one should figure out there will be some smell..that isnt hypothetical
Quote:I want to ask a hypothetical.
We are in a war with, say, Russia. A popular, well-known defendant is running for political office who is heavily in favor of occupying Russia. He has a court hearing for whatever, unrelated. A Russian-American with pro-Russian stances and association with pro-Russian organizations is the judge of this civil case. Is it racist for the the defendant to ask for a recusal of the judge?
First I would say no, because Russian, much like Mexican, is not a race, but a nationality. Ignoring that, is it wrong to ask for a recusal in that situation?
Are we at war with Mexico?
Quote:Are we at war with Mexico?
Some would say unofficially, yes. The South-West is being occupied by illegal immigrants and their anchor children for over half a century. Why can't you answer the hypothetical? You never answer anything.
Quote:Nice drunken rant.
Just emulating your homeboy candidate
Quote:Some would say unofficially, yes. The South-West is being occupied by illegal immigrants and their anchor children for over half a century. Why can't you answer the hypothetical? You never answer anything.
With that logic, the Mexicans can say the same thing. Unofficially at war with the US since the Official Mexican-American war with boundary disputes.
Everyone on this board knows..if it ain't official its artificial.
Quote:Requests for change of venue or for judges to recuse themselves are not terribly common, but they do occur.
This lawsuit has been going on for years, though. Donald's attorneys have had ample time to follow standard court procedures to ask for a new judge, but they chose not to. The reason Donald is going after him now is that he is deliberately attempting to delay any judgment until after the election so that he can avoid the possibility of losing a lawsuit.
According to Donald, he never loses. Many have bought into this myth, and he fears the appearance of weakness will diminish his standing with the electorate.
Not true. The trial has already been delayed. In this instance the ruling that the case should go to trial flies in the face of exculpatory evidence so damning that the original plaintiff left the case.
Quote:Some would say unofficially, yes. The South-West is being occupied by illegal immigrants and their anchor children for over half a century. Why can't you answer the hypothetical? You never answer anything.
Ask better questions.
Despite your assertion, we are not at anything close to war with Mexico. An "occupation" would infer control. Illegal immigrants living here is not an occupation.
If we were really at war with Russia, what are the chances of a pro-Russian judge getting appointed? Your hypothetical makes no sense.
Better time would be spent if you'd explain why Trump is deflecting attention away from the facts.
The judge in question made very reasonable rulings his own legal team accepted and did not contest.
Quote:Requests like this are not uncommon when it comes to court, and handled differently by state. Requests to change judges, or locations (etc) are made a lot, and for many reasons. Talk about getting your panties in a bunch over nothing, or maybe because the left says to.
So how are said requests made? Possibly by the attorney(s) representing someone? It sure is "different" when a party in the case calls for a judge to recuse himself on a public platform, rather than do it the "usual" way, that being asking his lawyer to request it. Trump hasn't given that instruction to the firm representing him.