Quote:You really have no idea do you?
How about picking up a book that describes what the Japanese did to POW's?
In Albuquerque, there used to be a hospital named Bataan. Where did that name come from?
As always, there are two sides to every story. So why the atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki? How many mothers and daughters were slaughtered during the attack on Perl Harbor?
68 non-combatant civilians were killed in Pearl Harbor. 2403 total fatalities occurred there.
By contrast, between Hiroshima and Nagasaki approximately 175,000 people died, and many more several years later due to issues caused by radiation.
Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were strategic military targets. Hiroshima was the command center for the southern half of Japan's military, and Nagasaki was the primary port used for shipping arms to soldiers. But they were also cities where people were working and going to school and just sitting at home when a bomb just vaporized them.
Maybe it saved a lot of casualties, because the samurai "death before dishonor" mindset was still firmly entrenched in the Japanese military. But thousands of INNOCENT people died for that cause; people who were just living life, who I refuse to believe were just "evil" due to their birthplace and nationality.
I personally see a huge disparity between military casualties and civilian ones--not that their lives matter more, but at least soldiers know what they're getting into. Those women and children didn't declare war. They didn't bomb Pearl Harbor. They didn't refuse to surrender. They might have just been sitting on an Internet message board discussing sports teams had they lived today.
I totally understand the rationale for the bombings and I think that it had to be done. But it doesn't mean that I can't mourn the fact that it was so awful.
Truth be known.....
Nagasaki was not America’s primary target. This was Kokura. The three potential targets for a second bomb were Kokura, Kyoto and Niigata. Nagasaki was only added to a list of potential targets when Kyoto was withdrawn (it had been the secondary target for a second bomb) because of its religious associations. The third potential target was Niigata – but this was withdrawn from the list as the distance to it was considered to be too great. Therefore, the Americans were left with just two targets – Kokura and Nagasaki.
By the time ‘Bockscar’ got near to its primary target, Kokura, it became clear that the weather had saved the city. The city was covered by cloud. Sweeney made three runs over the city but could find not break. With lack of fuel an issue, he decided to move to his only other target – Nagasaki.
In 1953, a report by the US Strategic Bombing Survey put the number of deaths at 35,000, wounded at 60,000 and 5,000 missing. In 1960, the Japanese put the number of dead at Nagasaki at 20,000 and the number of wounded at 50,000. Later, the Nagasaki Prefectural Office put the figure for deaths alone at 87,000 with 70% of the city’s industrial zone destroyed.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/wor...-nagasaki/
Quote:Truth be known.....
Nagasaki was not America’s primary target. This was Kokura. The three potential targets for a second bomb were Kokura, Kyoto and Niigata. Nagasaki was only added to a list of potential targets when Kyoto was withdrawn (it had been the secondary target for a second bomb) because of its religious associations. The third potential target was Niigata – but this was withdrawn from the list as the distance to it was considered to be too great. Therefore, the Americans were left with just two targets – Kokura and Nagasaki.
By the time ‘Bockscar’ got near to its primary target, Kokura, it became clear that the weather had saved the city. The city was covered by cloud. Sweeney made three runs over the city but could find not break. With lack of fuel an issue, he decided to move to his only other target – Nagasaki.
In 1953, a report by the US Strategic Bombing Survey put the number of deaths at 35,000, wounded at 60,000 and 5,000 missing. In 1960, the Japanese put the number of dead at Nagasaki at 20,000 and the number of wounded at 50,000. Later, the Nagasaki Prefectural Office put the figure for deaths alone at 87,000 with 70% of the city’s industrial zone destroyed.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/wor...-nagasaki/
Kokura was also the secondary target for the Hiroshima bomb in case the weather prevented an attack there which has led to Kokura sometimes being referred to as
The Lucky City.
No apology for an act of war that was caused in effect by a friend stabbing us in the back by attacking Pearl Harbor..
I wouldn't doubt it for the nation's worst President to apologize for all our actions, because he appears to loath the country that pays him.
Quote:I wouldn't doubt it for the nation's worst President to apologize for all our actions, because he appears to loath the country that pays him.
A Japanese interviewer asked him if he plans to apologize, and he answered that he would not apologize.
I have to say, seriously, for someone to say the President of the United States loathes the United States, that's just idiotic. C'mon, man, you cannot really believe that. That's just a stupid thing to say, whether you like the guy or not. When people say stuff like that, it's no wonder we can't have intelligent political discussions anymore.
Quote:A Japanese interviewer asked him if he plans to apologize, and he answered that he would not apologize.
I have to say, seriously, for someone to say the President of the United States loathes the United States, that's just idiotic. C'mon, man, you cannot really believe that. That's just a stupid thing to say, whether you like the guy or not. When people say stuff like that, it's no wonder we can't have intelligent political discussions anymore.
I heard a lot of namecalling but you didn't refute the assertion. When someone says "for the first time in my life in proud of my country" what do you think that means.
Quote:I heard a lot of namecalling but you didn't refute the assertion. When someone says "for the first time in my life in proud of my country" what do you think that means.
I don't think you're quoting Barack Obama.
Quote:I wouldn't doubt it for the nation's worst President to apologize for all our actions, because he appears to loath the country that pays him.
What does George w Bush have to do with this thread?
Quote:He married her Bruh...
Have you ever been married?
If so, has your wife ever said something really ridiculous?
Do you take responsibility for and endorse all your wife's statements?
If you ask me those questions, my answers would be yes, yes, and no. Maybe you're different.
Quote:Have you ever been married?
If so, has your wife ever said something really ridiculous?
Do you take responsibility for and endorse all your wife's statements?
If you ask me those questions, my answers would be yes, yes, and no. Maybe you're different.
Did he ever repudiate her assertions? What about the church he attended. What about his relationship with an unrepentant terrorist. What about his entire educational background preficatedon the idea that the constitution and the ideas expressed in it are flawed.
Barrack Obama doesn't believe in this country as founded that's why he believes it needs to be fundamentally changed to a European style entitlement state with an ever expansive central government capable of mediating social bills and mandating tranquility and equality through government fiat.
You don't have to listen to his wife, just observe his presidency.
I'm sure you're disappointed he didn't offer an apology.
Quote:Not even close bruh.
Lol. There isn't an objective soul on this planet who would say Dubya is a better prez than Obama.
Quote:Lol. There isn't an objective soul on this planet who would say Dubya is a better prez than Obama.
That wasn't the statement.
Quote:Not even close bruh.
Ask yourself this, chief--how many republican conventions has your boy, W Bush attended since being kicked out of the oval office.
Face it, bra, your boy is going down in history as the worst president of all time. The dude was a disaster.
Obama will be at the next democratic convention. Your boy will still be in exile, scribbling with his crayons, or whatever pathetic thing that he's doing.
But ya, keep that Bush eternal flame going. It'll serve you well. /s
Quote:Ask yourself this, chief--how many republican conventions has your boy, W Bush attended since being kicked out of the oval office.
Face it, bra, your boy is going down in history as the worst president of all time. The dude was a disaster.
Obama will be at the next democratic convention. Your boy will still be in exile, scribbling with his crayons, or whatever pathetic thing that he's doing.
But ya, keep that Bush eternal flame going. It'll serve you well. /s
Bush ranks somewhere in the middle of the pack of Presidents, he's not the worst ever by far.
Quote:Bush ranks somewhere in the middle of the pack of Presidents, he's not the worst ever by far.
I think history will be much less kind. But I respect your opinion. I think you're flat out wrong, it's your opinion.
Most bad presidents have one or two things you can point to. Bush has one or two things EVERY YEAR you can point to!
9-11, patriot act, Katrina, the Iraq war, the financial meltdown, scooter Libby, the firing of district attorney's, the va scandal, torture, Abu Ghraib, and that's just off the top of my head...