Quote:I think history will be much less kind. But I respect your opinion. I think you're flat out wrong, it's your opinion.
Most bad presidents have one or two things you can point to. Bush has one or two things EVERY YEAR you can point to!
9-11, patriot act, Katrina, the Iraq war, the financial meltdown, scooter Libby, the firing of district attorney's, the va scandal, torture, Abu Ghraib, and that's just off the top of my head...
You libs are so silly.
9-11 - Not his fault at all, and I do think that he handled the situation correctly.
Patriot Act - I somewhat disagree with this policy, but as someone that works in the job that I do, I see the need for it.
Katrina - Again, the actual hurricane wasn't his fault. The aftermath points more to the current "chocolate city" mayor who happens to be sitting in prison right now.
The Iraq War - Based on the intelligence that he was given at the time and authorized by Congress, he did the right thing.
The financial meltdown - That was not a direct result of any of his policies, rather policies that were put in place prior.
I could go on, and each of your points could be a separate debate.
The fact of the matter is, George Bush was exactly the right President at exactly the right time in history. The alternatives (Gore and Kerry) probably would have been more of a train wreck than our current President.
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The fact of the matter is, George Bush was exactly the right President at exactly the right time in history. The alternatives (Gore and Kerry) probably would have been more of a train wreck than our current President.
While you're correct on your other points, nothing could be worse than the Obama Express.
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...making the country the laughingstock of the world, lying to the people in order to go to war, not getting Osama, no child left behind, mission accomplished, inability to formulate proper sentences, the list goes on and on...
I don't know why any of you argue over who the worst president is. Nearly everyone argues from a completely disingenuous position. You lean right? You hated the dem president and never gave a chance from the start. Same for left leaning people.
Quote:I don't know why any of you argue over who the worst president is. Nearly everyone argues from a completely disingenuous position. You lean right? You hated the dem president and never gave a chance from the start. Same for left leaning people.
The worst was Buchanan followed by Andrew Jackson and LBJ. The best was Washington, hands down. All the rest fall somewhere in between with neither Bush nor Obama in the top 20.
Quote:...making the country the laughingstock of the world, lying to the people in order to go to war, not getting Osama, no child left behind, mission accomplished, inability to formulate proper sentences, the list goes on and on...
National debt when Obama took office 10.6 trillion
National debt today 19.2 trillion
Increase under his administration 8.6 trillion
US population 323 million
Your share $ 26,625
Time to pay up. Will that be cash or check?
PS How do you like him now?
This has happened in basically every country since the GFC so hardly an Obama only problem.
And since when did you have to pay government send debt collectors. Did you receive dividends when there was a surplus?
Seriously you can't argue Bush or Obama was the worse president ever. Now you want to take serious candidates I'd start with good old "honest Abe" the man literally hired foreign mercenaries to kill US citizens on US soil to force federal compliance against the states will. Forget the whole slavery issue, that alone is enough to put him in the top 5 worse presidents.
Quote:Seriously you can't argue Bush or Obama was the worse president ever. Now you want to take serious candidates I'd start with good old "honest Abe" the man literally hired foreign mercenaries to kill US citizens on US soil to force federal compliance against the states will. Forget the whole slavery issue, that alone is enough to put him in the top 5 worse presidents.
Not really... The whole slavery and violation of basic human rights gave him justification to compel the states to comply.
Quote:The worst was Buchanan followed by Andrew Jackson and LBJ. The best was Washington, hands down. All the rest fall somewhere in between with neither Bush nor Obama in the top 20.
Stop not being a prisoner of the pop culture moment.
Quote:Not really... The whole slavery and violation of basic human rights gave him justification to compel the states to comply.
I won't derail this thread but I disagree Lincoln didn't wage war to free anyone only to force states to stay in a union they wished to leave.
If we are going to say Bush was bad because he lied and got Americans killed in Iraq or Obama is bad because he uses the federal government to oppress political dissidents neither of them hold a candle to Lincoln.
We don't need no Civil War.
Quote:You libs are so silly.
9-11 - Not his fault at all, and I do think that he handled the situation correctly.
Patriot Act - I somewhat disagree with this policy, but as someone that works in the job that I do, I see the need for it.
Katrina - Again, the actual hurricane wasn't his fault. The aftermath points more to the current "chocolate city" mayor who happens to be sitting in prison right now.
The Iraq War - Based on the intelligence that he was given at the time and authorized by Congress, he did the right thing.
The financial meltdown - That was not a direct result of any of his policies, rather policies that were put in place prior.
I could go on, and each of your points could be a separate debate.
The fact of the matter is, George Bush was exactly the right President at exactly the right time in history. The alternatives (Gore and Kerry) probably would have been more of a train wreck than our current President.
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. Bush was a disaster, and historians are already pointing this out. However you want to try and rationalize it. 9/11 wasn't his fault, but he was asleep at the wheel. Katrina wasn't his fault, but he was asleep at the wheel.
That should be on is tomb stone: War Criminal, asleep at the wheel from 2001 - 2009.
Cheny's will just say "War Criminal".
Your analysis of the Iraq war is so full of nothing that I'm questioning either your honesty about how much you remember about the run up to the war or your intelligence for knowing so little about it. Either way, it's a bad look for you.
Quote:You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. Bush was a disaster, and historians are already pointing this out. However you want to try and rationalize it. 9/11 wasn't his fault, but he was asleep at the wheel. Katrina wasn't his fault, but he was asleep at the wheel.
That should be on is tomb stone: War Criminal, asleep at the wheel from 2001 - 2009.
Cheny's will just say "War Criminal".
Your analysis of the Iraq war is so full of nothing that I'm questioning either your honesty about how much you remember about the run up to the war or your intelligence for knowing so little about it. Either way, it's a bad look for you.
Agreed Bush was a horrible president, how "asleep at the wheel" or "willing to look the other way" I'm not sure. But programs like the TSA, the Patriot Act, taking how many days to get water to the thunderdome? are just examples of why I oppose government on so many levels.
Now don't get me started on this idiot Obama.
Quote:Katrina? Loll.
What are you laughing about?
I refuse to carry the burden of past generations sins. It was there choice to drop the bomb and their choice to not apologize. Apologizing now is stupid.
Quote:Seriously you can't argue Bush or Obama was the worse president ever. Now you want to take serious candidates I'd start with good old "honest Abe" the man literally hired foreign mercenaries to kill US citizens on US soil to force federal compliance against the states will. Forget the whole slavery issue, that alone is enough to put him in the top 5 worse presidents.
Sometimes you are so reasonable and then other times I cannot fathom how you feel about certain issues.
You can't forget the slavery issue. I know you don't think it was even a minor part but it was a big part.
Don't you mean confederate citizens on confederate soil?