I didn't bash poor people. Were not bashing poor people. We are bashing the idea that our current system is rigged against poor people.
Second, she had no reason to lie to me. I stand by the numbers that i gave.
Lets say part of her return was actual return of withholding and not Eric, does 25k of benefits available mean society hates poor people as opposed to 28k?
Not saying she's lying to you perse, but most people don't know what the heck they are yakking about when it comes to their taxes! She's obviously confused as to what deductions and credits she had available to her in order to reach the amount of a refund she received.
The point being that you provided an anecdote that was easily shot down to make a point that allowed some posters to have their disdain for "liberals" rationalized.
The numbers you stand by are wrong. The eic is a sliding scale. The most a single mom can get in her situation is 6k-- and only if she was making 22-24 thousand. The eic is a sliding scale. You get less and less credit as your income decreases. You also get less credit as your income increases. It's all on the irs website...
I'm assuming the 8900 she told you is her tax refund. That number could be caused by alot of things that could all be very valid and also make her not a "taker".
Lastly, how many people do you think get survivor benefits? You think that that benefit program is something that everyone is getting and that it's a scam set up to steal from the rich?
Quote:1600 × 12 = 19200
+ 8900 = 28100
I know math is hard for you Bernie supporters but most computers have a calculator function.
Maybe the 8900 was her total refund but that's not all the eic its way beyond the allowed scales
Quote:Not saying she's lying to you perse, but most people don't know what the heck they are yakking about when it comes to their taxes! She's obviously confused as to what deductions and credits she had available to her in order to reach the amount of a refund she received.
The point being that you provided an anecdote that was easily shot down to make a point that allowed some posters to have their disdain for "liberals" rationalized.
The numbers you stand by are wrong. The eic is a sliding scale. The most a single mom can get in her situation is 6k-- and only if she was making 22-24 thousand. The eic is a sliding scale. You get less and less credit as your income decreases. You also get less credit as your income increases. It's all on the irs website...
I'm assuming the 8900 she told you is her tax refund. That number could be caused by alot of things that could all be very valid and also make her not a "taker".
Lastly, how many people do you think get survivor benefits? You think that that benefit program is something that everyone is getting and that it's a scam set up to steal from the rich?
Show me where I said she was a taker? Show me where I said anything negative about her.
More importantly, show me where u answered my question.
Quote: Especially when your point can, will, and was used to bash poor and underpaid workers..
I didn't say you, specifically... I said you're information that was inaccurate opens the door for bashing the working poor. Which, if you look at the first page, there was some.
Also, everyone is well aware when the discussion of "entitlements" occurs, it's a discussion of how the poor and underpaid are at fault for their own problems.
I'm not saying anything groundbreaking here.
Lastly, what question have I not answered?
How does shifting the number from 28k to 25k make it any less apparent that there is plenty of help available to those who need it.
Quote:How does shifting the number from 28k to 25k make it any less apparent that there is plenty of help available to those who need it.
Why do conservatives begrudge families who need help and receive it?
Quote:Why do conservatives begrudge families who need help and receive it?
Why do I begrudge people wanting to keep the money I earned? That I don't get to choose who, how or to what lengths I'll help makes me resentful of those who take and those who accept my money. I don't like being treated like an ambulatory wallet by anyone other than my children, why is that so difficult to understand?
Not to mention were still called a dirty rotten country that hates poor people. 22 trillion since the war on poverty.
Quote:Why do I begrudge people wanting to keep the money I earned? That I don't get to choose who, how or to what lengths I'll help makes me resentful of those who take and those who accept my money. I don't like being treated like an ambulatory wallet by anyone other than my children, why is that so difficult to understand?
So you believe you get nothing from the taxes you pay?
That's gotta be an infuriating way to go through life...
I mean, you see no reason why we have taxes? None? It's all just straight thievery that's being perpetrated against you?
Quote:So you believe you get nothing from the taxes you pay?
That's gotta be an infuriating way to go through life...
I mean, you see no reason why we have taxes? None? It's all just straight thievery that's being perpetrated against you?
Its not a feeling... Its mathematics.
Corporate welfare definitely needs to end. Id be very annoyed if my taxes went to the Walmart family.
Quote:Corporate welfare definitely needs to end. Id be very annoyed if my taxes went to the Walmart family.
By the same token, would you be annoyed if your taxes went to an irresponsible low wage worker?
Quote:By the same token, would you be annoyed if your taxes went to an irresponsible low wage worker?
Not really how much wasted tax goes to a low paid worker? And how do you define irresponsible? Does big brother decide?
Quote:Not really how much wasted tax goes to a low paid worker? And how do you define irresponsible? Does big brother decide?
I'll try to decipher your response to my question.
I outlined in another thread the true story of a worker that makes more than the "living wage" that is defined. She is a woman that makes far more than the minimum wage for the area, yet has no health insurance (despite obamacare), no savings (401k or otherwise) and used up her "sick leave" as well as vacation time from work to do "fun stuff". She was diagnosed with breast cancer and will be undergoing treatment for it. How will this be paid for? By my tax dollars.
However, she does have high speed internet and the latest iPhone. I would tell you how to pick up her tweets, but I don't twit. She does update her Facebook page regularly.
In the meantime, my tax dollars will pay for her medical needs as well as her food needs.
So yes, "wasted tax money" goes to a lower paid worker due to her own wrong life choices. Does that apply to all lower income individuals? Of course not, but there are far too many just like her that we are paying for.
I define irresponsible as someone that doesn't take advantage of an employer savings and/or health plan. Instead, the person decides to spend money on "wants" rather than "needs". She is an example of someone not working her way up. She rely's on the "safety net" of others to pay for her choices. This isn't a young person either. Once she reaches "retirement age" (62 1/2) which isn't that far off, we will be paying her Social Security benefits.
Do you know how much you cost the government compared to being put in? Weren't you in the armed forces or something? Wasn't a lot of those conflicts wasted tax dollars?
So you don't want tax money going to someone with Cancer? I'd rather it didn't go to a mega corporate profit line, but obviously I'm an idiot.
Quote:Do you know how much you cost the government compared to being put in? Weren't you in the armed forces or something? Wasn't a lot of those conflicts wasted tax dollars?
So you don't want tax money going to someone with Cancer? I'd rather it didn't go to a mega corporate profit line, but obviously I'm an idiot.
Well do address your first question, I wasn't "put in".
To answer your second question, yes I did voluntarily serve in our armed forces.
To answer your third question, I disagree that any conflict that I served in was wasted tax dollars.
Regarding your fourth question, I don't mind my tax dollars going to help somebody inflicted with any disease. I do have a problem when said person has done nothing to help themselves though.
How do you know it's your tax dollars, maybe your consumption is higher than your taxation? It's impossible to calculate.
I pay for private health and still pay a bit towards public health system here. I don't worry about it. Just like I haven't driven down every road in the state to get my money's worth. I'd rather they kept putting money in health and infrastructure you never know when you may need it yourself...
Quote:So you believe you get nothing from the taxes you pay?
That's gotta be an infuriating way to go through life...
I mean, you see no reason why we have taxes? None? It's all just straight thievery that's being perpetrated against you?
Chrimeny you're being obtuse. I'm not anti-tax, I am anti-waste and government enforced charity is waste. I'm opposed to Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the Trillions of other dollars spent on useless social "wars" to prop up corruption in high places.
"Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death!" Patrick Henry
He didn't say give me food stamps, a free cell phone, half of all your stuff while I sit over here and smoke my medical pot.
What has the Democrat party turned into over the last few decades from the JFK equal rights, fly to the moon, we can achieve anything if we are willing to put in the hard work & figure out what we can do for our country, to
what can my country give me so I do nothing.