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Quote:How do we help those who aren't while wedding out/cutting off those who do?

 

Why is this a "we"proposition? 

Quote:Yes, we should stop that subsidy immediately.

Lol, not sure that's the correct approach. But it is one option...


So I'm assuming you think that corporations will just start paying higher wages if all welfare programs were shut down?

Quote:Why is this a "we"proposition?

Bahaha... Dude, I knew you were gonna say something like that!


Sorry Bizarro, there's no compromise with hard core libertarians...

Quote:Why is this a "we"proposition? 

 

Well, it's already a "we" problem now whether we want it to be or not so surely there's enough intellect to be had as a collective to come up with a viable solution?

 

@Anch-

 

Don't mind me...I have "chillin' in the cut" do be doing, blunts to be smoked and gub'ment checks to collect. /shuffles away

Quote:Well, it's already a "we" problem now whether we want it to be or not so surely there's enough intellect to be had as a collective to come up with a viable solution?

 

@Anch-

 

Don't mind me...I have "chillin' in the cut" do be doing, blunts to be smoked and gub'ment checks to collect. /shuffles away

 

There's plenty of ways to fix it, but the best ones are unviable because they require less government. We're already over that threshold and on our way down to full blown dependency.

 

Quote:Lol, not sure that's the correct approach. But it is one option...


So I'm assuming you think that corporations will just start paying higher wages if all welfare programs were shut down?

 

Prices would most certainly come down and Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, Samsung, Apple and the like would all have a critical decision to make about their future viability. 

Quote:Well, it's already a "we" problem now whether we want it to be or not so surely there's enough intellect to be had as a collective to come up with a viable solution?


@Anch-


Don't mind me...I have "chillin' in the cut" do be doing, blunts to be smoked and gub'ment checks to collect. /shuffles away

You're alright, Bizzaro!

I guess I'm just tired of everyone else's failures being my problem.

Quote:Are you aware how most of our welfare programs work? Most people are NOT getting straight cash... just fyi...


Most "welfare" is in the form of food stamps. Not exactly something that will help a person live a comfortable life... also, Clinton made it so you can't collect unemployment for more than 2 years... Medicaid is only for healthcare and is also not cash handouts...


News flash --


Most people ARE WORKING!!!! They are just making very low wages and are being subsidized by the government because the major employers of the usa are paying wages that a family cannot live on, even though these companies are making huge profits.


How can you not see the reality that is right in front of you?

 

I'm aware medicaid is not a cash handout...

 

Whether or not people are abusing the system is up for debate.  Many people seem to think its a problem.  I guess you posted an article about it though, so that settles it.

 

What we can agree upon is that the government is a poor steward of tax dollars.  That's not by accident.  What you will find is any new laws forcing higher wage pay will exempt the corps and people who run this country.  Or they will jsut continue to move more operations overseas where wages are basically slave labor levels. 

Quote:I guess I'm just tired of everyone else's failures being my problem.

We're all in this together, brother.

Quote:We're all in this together, brother.

Whether you like it or not, it seems.

Quote:We just fundamentally disagree. Social programs, in my opinion are what make America great.


 

I've been on social programs in my life, times when I really needed the help, so I won't ever say they are not necessary and should completely go away. But they are not what makes this country great.

 

What makes this country great is people who are willing to get out there and do the work to earn their pay to responsibly buy the stuff they need and invest for the golden years. To be willing to donate to charities or churches who help those who have less. To have the willingness to make their own path it they can't find one they like by forming a business which provides goods and services and jobs. To have the mindset to go to college or trade school to better themselves so they're not 40 years old working at McDonald's trying to support a family on minimum wage. 

 

There are too many people saying "I can't and won't" instead of "I can and will". The latter is the thing that makes America great. 

Quote:Welfare fraud is nothing compared to Pentagon Waste in any case.  For some reason though conservatives never seem concerned about that.

Government fraud, period. On all levels. Why limit it to the Pentagon?

Quote:I've been on social programs in my life, times when I really needed the help, so I won't ever say they are not necessary and should completely go away. But they are not what makes this country great.


What makes this country great is people who are willing to get out there and do the work to earn their pay to responsibly buy the stuff they need and invest for the golden years. To be willing to donate to charities or churches who help those who have less. To have the willingness to make their own path it they can't find one they like by forming a business which provides goods and services and jobs. To have the mindset to go to college or trade school to better themselves so they're not 40 years old working at McDonald's trying to support a family on minimum wage.


There are too many people saying "I can't and won't" instead of "I can and will". The latter is the thing that makes America great.

Supporting those going through hard times is what makes any society great.


This lazy free loaders that make up 5-10 percent of humanity shouldn't stop a great society from helping those who need it.


Just my opinion.


But the facts show that the number of people that abuse the system is insignificant compared to those that need assistance.


I appreciate you sharing that you needed to use this programs. I'm sure you, like 90 - 95% of this who have used the system were doing the best you could to get off the assistance you were receiving.

Quote:I've been on social programs in my life, times when I really needed the help, so I won't ever say they are not necessary and should completely go away. But they are not what makes this country great.

 

What makes this country great is people who are willing to get out there and do the work to earn their pay to responsibly buy the stuff they need and invest for the golden years. To be willing to donate to charities or churches who help those who have less. To have the willingness to make their own path it they can't find one they like by forming a business which provides goods and services and jobs. To have the mindset to go to college or trade school to better themselves so they're not 40 years old working at McDonald's trying to support a family on minimum wage. 

 

There are too many people saying "I can't and won't" instead of "I can and will". The latter is the thing that makes America great. 

 

When you break it down, I think the vast majority of us have a very similar mindset to you on this one. I personally feel we should help those who NEED it when we can but ultimately, you're right in that too many people who are capable make the conscious choice to not attempt to help themselves out of whatever situation they may find themselves in...and this should not be condoned nor encouraged.

Quote:Supporting those going through hard times is what makes any society great.


This lazy free loaders that make up 5-10 percent of humanity shouldn't stop a great society from helping those who need it.


Just my opinion.

But the facts show that the number of people that abuse the system is insignificant compared to those that need assistance.


I appreciate you sharing that you needed to use this programs. I'm sure you, like 90 - 95% of this who have used the system were doing the best you could to get off the assistance you were receiving.

 

Then there should be no problem when laws are passed to ensure people are not abusing the system, i.e. using their benefits to buy drugs.

Quote:I've been on social programs in my life, times when I really needed the help, so I won't ever say they are not necessary and should completely go away. But they are not what makes this country great.

 

What makes this country great is people who are willing to get out there and do the work to earn their pay to responsibly buy the stuff they need and invest for the golden years. To be willing to donate to charities or churches who help those who have less. To have the willingness to make their own path it they can't find one they like by forming a business which provides goods and services and jobs. To have the mindset to go to college or trade school to better themselves so they're not 40 years old working at McDonald's trying to support a family on minimum wage. 

 

There are too many people saying "I can't and won't" instead of "I can and will". The latter is the thing that makes America great. 

 

Absolutely.  To say that "social programs makes our country great" is so far off.  Social programs should give people a "hand up" not a "hand out".

 

You see people protesting for a higher minimum wage that think McDonald's should pay them enough to raise a family.  That's unrealistic.  If someone works at McDonald's or some other fast food chain for more than a year and has not moved up in income, then in most cases it's the worker, not the franchise.

 

Your last sentence highlights the truth.  However, that's not what is taught in today's society.

 

Quote:Supporting those going through hard times is what makes any society great.

This lazy free loaders that make up 5-10 percent of humanity shouldn't stop a great society from helping those who need it.


Just my opinion.


But the facts show that the number of people that abuse the system is insignificant compared to those that need assistance.


I appreciate you sharing that you needed to use this programs. I'm sure you, like 90 - 95% of this who have used the system were doing the best you could to get off the assistance you were receiving.

 

Those 5% to 10% of humanity are the ones that are protesting and striking to get a higher wage.

 

Quote:When you break it down, I think the vast majority of us have a very similar mindset to you on this one. I personally feel we should help those who NEED it when we can but ultimately, you're right in that too many people who are capable make the conscious choice to not attempt to help themselves out of whatever situation they may find themselves in...and this should not be condoned nor encouraged.

 

Absolutely.  However, the liberal mindset is that these people should "get their fair share".  It is very much condoned on the left and discouraged on the right.

Quote:Then there should be no problem when laws are passed to ensure people are not abusing the system, i.e. using their benefits to buy drugs.

Ohhh badger... I don't know about all that.


You know Florida tried that, and it cost the state money because it was an abject failure. Republican policies have proven to be dumb... no offense, I live in a state with a republican governor too...


But whatever, you're cool in my book. I just think you're miss applying your skepticism.

Marxism has caused more death despair and dependence than any political ideology in the modern age and republicans are "dumb" for not intentionally funding drug addiction.

Quote:Marxism has caused more death despair and dependence than any political ideology in the modern age and republicans are "dumb" for not intentionally funding drug addiction.

 

You're ability to deflect, muddy the waters, and just outright ignore the points of another person's argument is legendary.    

Quote:Supporting those going through hard times is what makes any society great.


This lazy free loaders that make up 5-10 percent of humanity shouldn't stop a great society from helping those who need it.


Just my opinion.


But the facts show that the number of people that abuse the system is insignificant compared to those that need assistance.

I appreciate you sharing that you needed to use this programs. I'm sure you, like 90 - 95% of this who have used the system were doing the best you could to get off the assistance you were receiving.

Thanks. It was hard times for me but with a lot of moral support from my family I made it through. And I did get out of it, but sadly there is a mindset among some who think, why work if someone gives me money to sit at home. It's very easy to slip into that mindset as well if you're already emotionally compromised through depression, anxiety, etc., as I was. There was a moment here and there when I really thought about it myself but something in me just said NO, so I put on my big girl panties and worked on getting myself to a better place. 

 

And it may be a small percentage of folks who are taking advantage of the system,  no one knows for sure, but small numbers can create huge problems.