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Quote:This attitude towards honest work is part of the problem.

It's a major part of the problem.


Degrees from whatever college are not needed to make a good and honest living.


If you want to go to college and get a degree I respect that. I would never put anyone down for that. Do I think it is a smart choice for everyone? Heck no I don't.


There isn't a thing wrong with a factory type job. It's something that is necessary and having more of them is not a negative thing.

I usually stay out of this section but I'll add my 2 cents.


When I graduated college with a psychology degree, state jobs which included a childrens psych hospital (where I eventually worked) were on a hiring freeze until those displaced from a prison closing got placed somewhere else working for the state.


The first job offer I got was building cars. It wasn't what i thought I'd be doing after college but it was a good job. It helped me buy my first car and I was able to let family and friends know when we were hiring and a few of them got hired and could support themselves/families.


I'm in grad school but honestly if they weren't in layoff mode due to a huge renovation I'd go back and work midnights there.

Quote:It's a major part of the problem.


Degrees from whatever college are not needed to make a good and honest living.


If you want to go to college and get a degree I respect that. I would never put anyone down for that. Do I think it is a smart choice for everyone? Heck no I don't.


There isn't a thing wrong with a factory type job. It's something that is necessary and having more of them is not a negative thing.

 

Factory jobs and jobs that don't require a college degree are going to go to robots.   A person better get an education if they want to have a job in the future.  

Quote:Factory jobs and jobs that don't require a college degree are going to go to robots. A person better get an education if they want to have a job in the future.

Well I didn't want to say it, but nobody actually thinks those jobs are sustainable do they? And again I wasn't crapping on the jobs. I actually did a lot of work assembling photocopiers some years ago. It was summer work and paid okay for the time...about $8/hr.

Quote:Well I didn't want to say it, but nobody actually thinks those jobs are sustainable do they? And again I wasn't crapping on the jobs. I actually did a lot of work assembling photocopiers some years ago. It was summer work and paid okay for the time...about $8/hr.

The issue of underemployment is rapidly moving to the forefront of our economy. A BA and 3 years of experience now barrs many entry level positions, and that experience only comes from unpaid internships that cost a person years of upward mobility had they been spent in a trade. We will always need service jobs, but you can't base a society on them, we need to invest in the other sectors before we have another Depression level labor crisis.

Nothing wrong with factory jobs.


Somebody has to build what is designed.


It's hard work and not sure the pay ever is in line for what you give up. Watching my father on weak news barely walk in his later years because he stood on a hard concrete floor. Not my type of good job!

Quote:Nothing wrong with factory jobs.


Somebody has to build what is designed.


It's hard work and not sure the pay ever is in line for what you give up. Watching my father on weak news barely walk in his later years because he stood on a hard concrete floor. Not my type of good job!

 

Nothing wrong with factory jobs, except that they are all going to disappear.   They'll either move to the 3rd world, or, for the ones left in the 1st world, they will be replaced by robots. 

Quote:Nothing wrong with factory jobs, except that they are all going to disappear. They'll either move to the 3rd world, or, for the ones left in the 1st world, they will be replaced by robots.

I personally don't believe this to be true. All those jobs are going to up and vanish to robots? I sincerely doubt that. Some of them? Maybe but all of then seems like a huge stretch here.


You could be right but I don't see it.


Moving to other countries seems more likely than being replaced by robots anytime in the near future.

Quote:I personally don't believe this to be true. All those jobs are going to up and vanish to robots? I sincerely doubt that. Some of them? Maybe but all of then seems like a huge stretch here.


You could be right but I don't see it.


Moving to other countries seems more likely than being replaced by robots anytime in the near future.

Robots are a possibility. And the command for a $15 minimum wage could have something to do with it as well.

Quote:Robots are a possibility. And the command for a $15 minimum wage could have something to do with it as well.

 

Oh, no, it's not the $15 minimum wage, although that could bring some automation to the fast food joints. 

 

I'm talking about factory jobs.  Robots don't form a union, they don't need a retirement or pension plan, they don't need health insurance, they don't go on strike.  They also don't come in hung over, and they don't lose concentration and make mistakes. 

Quote:The issue of underemployment is rapidly moving to the forefront of our economy. A BA and 3 years of experience now barrs many entry level positions, and that experience only comes from unpaid internships that cost a person years of upward mobility had they been spent in a trade. We will always need service jobs, but you can't base a society on them, we need to invest in the other sectors before we have another Depression level labor crisis.

You certainly can't base society off them and I hope we do not get to that point.


Unemployment levels are a big concern and one I follow closely. Where I live the job market has become limited rather quickly. Our economy was once run off of big factory jobs. Those jobs paid well and allowed many (my own family included) to make a food living and retire off that living. Now one of the larger factories has closed completely. Another has downsized a large amount. A 3rd just recently closed the smaller plant in our town and consolidated that work to other locations. This town no longer thrives off those factories and other business has not moved in to replace them.


Our town made a large mistake many years ago in denying a Walmart warehouse from moving here. Instead Walmart placed it in a town 30 miles south and all those jobs and stimulation to the economy were lost.

Quote:The issue of underemployment is rapidly moving to the forefront of our economy. A BA and 3 years of experience now barrs many entry level positions, and that experience only comes from unpaid internships that cost a person years of upward mobility had they been spent in a trade. We will always need service jobs, but you can't base a society on them, we need to invest in the other sectors before we have another Depression level labor crisis.

Again I am saying we need more than service jobs. We need a good mix of service jobs and jobs that require a high degree of skill. 

Quote:I don't have an issue with those jobs. We need them and I respect those that do that kind of blue collar work but it would nice if Jacksonville had a more attractive and diverse job market for highly trained professionals. It just doesn't. Many of my friends that recieved advanced degrees have simply left. I no longer live there either. I love to visit and still consider it home but there is no market in my profession (and I can only speak for my own) unless I decided to work for FF&W or teach or get into Agriculture. 

 

There are no "scientists" in Jacksonville, eh? 

Quote:Oh, no, it's not the $15 minimum wage, although that could bring some automation to the fast food joints. 

 

I'm talking about factory jobs.  Robots don't form a union, they don't need a retirement or pension plan, they don't need health insurance, they don't go on strike.  They also don't come in hung over, and they don't lose concentration and make mistakes. 

 

If this is the case, then there has to be some merit to Bill Gates' call for a robot tax. If a robot is doing $50,000 worth of work per year, should it be taxed as such? You don't think the federal government is going to just let this happen and lose out on all of this income, do you? 

 

Your post seems to create some type of panic for people in low skill positions, but if and when this were to happen, it wouldn't be for another half century. 

Quote:If this is the case, then there has to be some merit to Bill Gates' call for a robot tax. If a robot is doing $50,000 worth of work per year, should it be taxed as such? You don't think the federal government is going to just let this happen and lose out on all of this income, do you?


Your post seems to create some type of panic for people in low skill positions, but if and when this were to happen, it wouldn't be for another half century.

If conservatives are in power...no.

Quote:If conservatives are in power...no.

 

Just look at the problems something as simple as solar energy has faced. That is about 1/1,000,000th the scale of full robotic takeover of "low skill" jobs. 

 

Here is a question. If you have young children, you obviously want to persuade them to choose a path that isn't likely to be taken over by robotics in the future. What is that path exactly? Robots are doing surgery these days. Does that mean doctors will be obsolete in the future? 

 

In a world where robots have taken over, we have much bigger problems than factory workers losing their jobs...

 

Quote:There are no "scientists" in Jacksonville, eh? 

 

There are scientists in Jacksonville. But there aren't any major laboratories in the city. 

Were actually doing a good job adding finance jobs

Quote:I don't have an issue with those jobs. We need them and I respect those that do that kind of blue collar work but it would nice if Jacksonville had a more attractive and diverse job market for highly trained professionals. It just doesn't. Many of my friends that recieved advanced degrees have simply left. I no longer live there either. I love to visit and still consider it home but there is no market in my profession (and I can only speak for my own) unless I decided to work for FF&W or teach or get into Agriculture.

Lol. Choosing to major in color by numbers was your decision not ours.

Well, Jax once was a big military town, so Pence is probably right.  Trump's budget robs the arts and poverty programs to extend the war machine, and Jax is well positioned for a resurgence!

 

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