Quote:If he had Smith's speed, he wouldn't have been available in the Second Round. Obvious statement is obvious and all, but I think it just points out the limits in his game. As he stands though, I'm happy with him being on the roster for a looooooong time.
For sure. It was one of the concerns over him being a #1 receiver I believe. However, he is very athletic and fast enough. Maybe even faster than perceived. He's awesome and like you said, glad we got em.
Quote:If he had Smith's speed, he wouldn't have been available in the Second Round. Obvious statement is obvious and all, but I think it just points out the limits in his game. As he stands though, I'm happy with him being on the roster for a looooooong time.
Can you elaborate the limits in Robinson's game? He may not have burner speed, but he is certainly fast enough to be an elite WR.
Quote:And Smith didn't possess Robinson's athleticism / catch radius. My point is that they both great WRs despite having different skillsets.
Well, no he did.
They're both great and we're lucky to have ARob, I'm not arguing that. I just think Jimmy was one of the best WR's I've ever seen play.
Quote:Can you elaborate the limits in Robinson's game? He may not have burner speed, but he is certainly fast enough to be an elite WR.
Sure, but I'd like to point out that I could not care less about him reaching "elite" status, or being in ESPN conversations about best WR, or even if he makes the Pro Bowl. As Allen Robinson is right now, he is good enough to be a starting WR in the NFL. He's a threat and I don't see him doing anything else with his abilities but go up as time goes by.
As for his limits, I think that it's his speed. It is good enough to get on the field and to outrun players but it isn't top level speed so that he can separate from any Defensive Back. To elaborate, if he didn't have the body control and "high point ability" that he possesses, I don't think that he would still be capable of posing the threat to Defenses that he now does.
Same thing with Jimmy Smith, but a different ability. Smith had a maddening habit of dropping easy catches from time to time. I still remember his drop versus New England in the Playoff game as a singular example.
All in all, we're picking at nits here as these two players are / were more than capable of being productive on a football field. But if you don't recognize your limits, then you're just fooling yourself.
Best Deep Threat: Allen Robinson, Jacksonville Jaguars
No wide receiver helped his quarterback as much as Robinson, who led the league with 672 yards on deep passes, a PFF record dating back to 2007. Whether running away from defenders or leaping over them to extend a drive, Robinson made big plays happen all season long for the Jaguars.
- PFF
Quote:True he didn't get A-Rob's red zone looks, but he also wasn't a guy to try and take every pass to the house. ARob is scoring TDs where Jimmy would have quickly ran out of bounds for a moderate gain yet again. I know ARob isn't as good as Jimmy yet, but he's on pace to be better. ARob had 14 TDs this year. Jimmy had 14 TDs after playing three seasons for the Jaguars.
It's interesting if you track their pace starting with 1995 as Jimmy's first full season (doesn't count for team rookie records), and just to keep score I'll include Hurns and McCardell's first seasons with the Jaguars. For Keenan keep in mind that he was an older vet when he joined the team having been originally drafted in '91 by the Redskins prior to his days with the Browns. While I'm at it, I'll also include first round draft picks Matt Jones, Reggie Williams and Justin Blackmon...
- Jimmy Smith ('95 and '96) - 105 rec for 1532 yards (14.6 ave) and 10 TDs, 3 fumbles, 1 lost
- Keenan McCardell ('96 and '97) - 170 rec for 2293 yards (13.5 ave), and 8 TDs, 1 fumble, 0 lost
- Allen Robinson ('14 and '15) - 128 rec for 1948 yards (15.2 ave) and 16 TDs, 0 fumbles
- Allen Hurns
('14 and '15)
- 115 rec for 1708 yards
(14.9)
and 16 TDs, 2 fumbles, 1 lost
- Matt Jones
('05 and '06)
- 77 rec for 1075 yards
(14.0 ave)
and 9 TDs, 3 fumbles, 1 lost
- Reggie Williams
('04 and '05)
- 62 rec for 713 yards
(11.5 ave)
and 1 TD, 3 fumbles, 2 lost
- Justin Blackmon
('12 and '13)
- 93 rec for 1280 yards
(13.8 ave)
and 6 TDs, 1 fumble, 0 lost
It's stoopid premature to even try to compare these guys.
Allen had a meteoric second year and Jimmy was injured for two years and hit his stride in year 4.
Call me in three years.
I'm sure this has been posted here before, but it's relevant because I think people are over-looking just how elite some of Robinson's tools are.
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/56...icism?pg=2
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Allen Robinson, WR, Jacksonville, 143.2 pSPARQ (99th percentile)
Allen Robinson isn’t an unknown quantity at this point, but it’s worth noting just how much of an athletic freak he is relative to everyone else. He’s one of the ten most athletic receivers to test over the last 17 draft classes, and the second-most athletic active receiver behind
Calvin Johnson. He’s still sporting a 6th-round ADP, mainly because of his team situation and an injury that put him on IR to close last season, but he won’t be available that late in 2016. Get him now and profit."
Prior to this year, I would understand the rebuttal that athleticism does not always translate to production. Allen Robinson showed time and time again that his athleticism translates exceedingly well at this level.
Quote:To be fair - most of us recall Coughlin primarily running the ball or occasionally throwing to TE's in the red-zone.
Jimmy didn't usually get as many red zone looks as Robinson saw this year.
I'm just thrilled we have a receiver worthy of the comparison again after such a drought.
Career red zone stats:
Jimmy Smith - 138 targets, 63 receptions, 31 TD
Allen Robinson - 27 targets, 17 receptions, 12 TD
That isn't a knock on Jimmy. It's more of a testament to how much of a redzone weapon Robinson truly is.
Quote:Career red zone stats:
Jimmy Smith - 138 targets, 63 receptions, 31 TD
Allen Robinson - 27 targets, 17 receptions, 12 TD
That isn't a knock on Jimmy. It's more of a testament to how much of a redzone weapon Robinson truly is.
It's a bit of a surprise to me that Jimmy had around 14 targets per season in the red zone -- but regardless, it's very plain to see that Robinson is a major threat in the red zone just by watching him play. He has an obvious knack for the 50/50 ball and the timing/athleticism to high-point. It was that quality in his college cut-ups that had me more excited about him than Lee when we drafted them. It was nice that they finally started to implement his usefulness there this year.
Jimmy had a different style and set of strengths and also played with a different style of QB and offense as well. I do think it will be fun to compare them in a few years when AR15 has a bigger sample size to analyze.
I wonder what Robinson's numbers look like if this run game gets going behind an improved line and Lee and Julius get more involved. His 2015 stat line may be tough to duplicate.
Quote:It's a bit of a surprise to me that Jimmy had around 14 targets per season in the red zone -- but regardless, it's very plain to see that Robinson is a major threat in the red zone just by watching him play. He has an obvious knack for the 50/50 ball and the timing/athleticism to high-point. It was that quality in his college cut-ups that had me more excited about him than Lee when we drafted them. It was nice that they finally started to implement his usefulness there this year.
Jimmy had a different style and set of strengths and also played with a different style of QB and offense as well. I do think it will be fun to compare them in a few years when AR15 has a bigger sample size to analyze.
I wonder what Robinson's numbers look like if this run game gets going behind an improved line and Lee and Julius get more involved. His 2015 stat line may be tough to duplicate.
Yeah, I think 2015 will be tough to duplicate. Two things I've referenced when discussing that on a Dynasty Football League site are that:
1. He is an incredibly good red zone threat so his TD floor should be high.
2. His yards per catch is pretty unsustainable but his number of receptions should go up as Bortles improves his accuracy.
Over the next 6-8 years, I can realistically see him averaging 1,300 yards and 10 TDs per season barring injury.
Quote:It's a bit of a surprise to me that Jimmy had around 14 targets per season in the red zone -- but regardless, it's very plain to see that Robinson is a major threat in the red zone just by watching him play. He has an obvious knack for the 50/50 ball and the timing/athleticism to high-point. It was that quality in his college cut-ups that had me more excited about him than Lee when we drafted them. It was nice that they finally started to implement his usefulness there this year.
Jimmy had a different style and set of strengths and also played with a different style of QB and offense as well. I do think it will be fun to compare them in a few years when AR15 has a bigger sample size to analyze.
I wonder what Robinson's numbers look like if this run game gets going behind an improved line and Lee and Julius get more involved. His 2015 stat line may be tough to duplicate.
That's less than 1 target for Jimmy per game, so its not a lot. I will suspect that the overall stats of this offense will be less next season especially the passing game, which will shift *hopefully* to a more balanced, efficient, and consistent offense.
Quote:That's less than 1 target for Jimmy per game, so its not a lot. I will suspect that the overall stats of this offense will be less next season especially the passing game, which will shift *hopefully* to a more balanced, efficient, and consistent offense.
Yes. I was able to work out that math, believe it or not. :teehee:
My "surprise" was only due to my memory being so steeped with Coughlin's persistent run-play calls and occasional passes to Kyle Brady in the red zone. I didn't recall even 1 target per game to J-Smooth in the red zone, but he apparently did get
almost that many looks.
Until ARob starts snorting that nose candy, we can't even have this conversation
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