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That INT hurt.
But BB5 still wound up with 60% completion percentage, 297 pass yards, 1 rushing TD, 1 throwing TD, and a respectable 7.8 yards per attempt. The loss was not on just one player, or even just one side of the ball.
Those fumbles killed us. The O-Line didn't help Blake out at all, and of course the D was what the D always is.
It was a team loss.
Quote:I'll never understand throwing to Lewis on the goal line.
there's nothing to understand. If you are talking about a play action corner route or a fade route to the back of the end zone that is a jump ball then that's understandable. When Blake looks at the play schematics it should be understood that a 10th year veteran Blocking TE on a speed out to the flat is a DEAD ROUTE! It should never have been thrown, it should never have been thought about being thrown, and if you run it you run it to Blakes RIGHT not his left.
I don't Care if Olly called the play, that throw was inexcusable.
That being said, the recent success that we have been having in the red zone involved putting AR15 in the near slot so at no time is he more than 10 yards away from Blake. On the route concept that got picked you're throwing a ball sideways 20-30 yards (depending on the hash mark) to try to gain a half yard. Those get taken back all the time. It's Blake first because he's the QB but olly lost a little respect with me on that one.
Quote:Basically what the topic says.. If he doesnt throw that pick we win plain and simple... He had a chance to redeem hiself but he just couldnt make the throws.. Great year tho!
He doesn't throw the pick and we win? Like game over? Were we going to have the lead after that play? Was the game going to end right then if we scored?
What an asinine statement.
Quote:That INT hurt.
But BB5 still wound up with 60% completion percentage, 297 pass yards, 1 rushing TD, 1 throwing TD, and a respectable 7.8 yards per attempt. The loss was not on just one player, or even just one side of the ball.
Those fumbles killed us. The O-Line didn't help Blake out at all, and of course the D was what the D always is.
It was a team loss.
Well said, and Yeldon was missed even though everyone said they couldn't wait to see what Denard could do. Backups be backups.
Quote:That INT hurt.
But BB5 still wound up with 60% completion percentage, 297 pass yards, 1 rushing TD, 1 throwing TD, and a respectable 7.8 yards per attempt. The loss was not on just one player, or even just one side of the ball.
Those fumbles killed us. The O-Line didn't help Blake out at all, and of course the D was what the D always is.
It was a team loss.
Accurate. If the defense was half as good as the offense we win that pretty easily, imo. They couldn't get them off the field on 3rd downs. This team should be much improved next season and so many of these near wins will be WINS.
Quote:That INT hurt.
But BB5 still wound up with 60% completion percentage, 297 pass yards, 1 rushing TD, 1 throwing TD, and a respectable 7.8 yards per attempt. The loss was not on just one player, or even just one side of the ball.
Those fumbles killed us. The O-Line didn't help Blake out at all, and of course the D was what the D always is.
It was a team loss.
you make good points, but that one play wound up being a 10 points swing, and it's not like there was a tip at the line or a defender doing something outside the norm. It was a pass that should never have been conceived or drawn up, let alone thrown.
Quote:there's nothing to understand. If you are talking about a play action corner route or a fade route to the back of the end zone that is a jump ball then that's understandable. When Blake looks at the play schematics it should be understood that a 10th year veteran Blocking TE on a speed out to the flat is a DEAD ROUTE! It should never have been thrown, it should never have been thought about being thrown, and if you run it you run it to Blakes RIGHT not his left.
I don't Care if Olly called the play, that throw was inexcusable.
That being said, the recent success that we have been having in the red zone involved putting AR15 in the near slot so at no time is he more than 10 yards away from Blake. On the route concept that got picked you're throwing a ball sideways 20-30 yards (depending on the hash mark) to try to gain a half yard. Those get taken back all the time. It's Blake first because he's the QB but olly lost a little respect with me on that one.
I couldn't have said this better, in regards to the throw and the play call...
The INT certainly was a killer. Without it, the Jaguars win.
But that wasn't the only reason the Jaguars lost as they had a chance to still come back and win the game in the second half. A few themes were sort of repeated in this game...
1. There seems to be a theme in games, and especially in losses, where one player just owns us. Whether it's Doug Martin, DeAndre Hopkins, Eric Decker, Antonio Gates, Delanie Walker, etc, etc, there's too often that one guy who does us in. In this game it was Julius Jones. Often it's the elite guy, and this makes sense, but it's like we can never seem to stop that guy.
2. There's also a tendency of a gameday situation where they're successful but we're not. In the Chargers game and a few others, they scored TDs in the red zone while we did not. In this game, they converted on third downs and we did not. The Chargers converted 6 of 9 third downs in the second half while the Jaguars converted 0 of 8 in the game.
3. The complete lack of a pass rush that often allows quarterbacks one of their best passer ratings on the year. We can look at qb after qb where this is the case. In this game, Matt's passer rating was a mere 81.4 so this isn't the best example, however, he did have an unreal amount of time to sit back there. Here are some other passer rating against us to consider... Marcus Mariota - 118.2 (last game); Phillip Rivers - 118.4; Joe Flacco - 98.0; Ryan Fitzpatrick -106.5; Brian Hoyer - 119.3; Jameis Winston - 122.5; Tom Brady - 118.1; Ryan Tannehill - 108.0
Quote:Why is the board so extreme after a loss. It's either all on Blake or not on him at all. He contributed to the loss, but there were many reasons for the loss.
Right?
Blake played well outside of the int. He can't do it all. Denard had really costly turnovers. Drops. Defensive inability to do anything against them on 3rd down, but it's on the one player who had us back in this game and erased a pretty big deficit going into the 3rd quarter.
He's not going to play absolutely perfect football to erase the sins of the rest of the team. I'm thrilled we have our QB.
Quote:Right?
Blake played well outside of the int. He can't do it all. Denard had really costly turnovers. Drops. Defensive inability to do anything against them on 3rd down, but it's on the one player who had us back in this game and erased a pretty big deficit going into the 3rd quarter.
He's not going to play absolutely perfect football to erase the sins of the rest of the team. I'm thrilled we have our QB.
The source of frustration with the QB is that his mistakes happen at critical points in the game, and have been one of, if not THE key factor in turning victory into loss. When he throws an interception, it either turns into a pick six or kills a scoring drive. I realize he's still learning and I believe he will become an excellent QB . Living through his growing pains, nonetheless, is agonizing.
Quote:Honest question: is there some established veteran out there who has made all of the mistakes and in turn, learned from all of them and no longer makes them?
With respect, what the hell does that mean? Every QB throws picks. Every one.
Blake has dialed his turnovers back a ton. He makes a mistake every once in a while. So does every QB ever. This "full consistency" garbage is just that. Dude has thrown for 30 plus TD's. You don't do that without make a mistake every once in a while.
No one is expecting "full consistency". Come on man we are all fans of Bortles and what he's accomplished so far in his short career but he has to get better in the decision making department. This isn't one or two games we are talking about here, its been a recurring theme since his rookie year. He has to get better for this team to turn the close losses into wins. And yes so does the defense and the RBs and the WRs etc but it starts with the QB.
Quote:The source of frustration with the QB is that his mistakes happen at critical points in the game, and have been one of, if not THE key factor in turning victory into loss. When he throws an interception, it either turns into a pick six or kills a scoring drive. I realize he's still learning and I believe he will become an excellent QB . Living through his growing pains, nonetheless, is agonizing.
Well said. Pretty much what I've been trying to say.
Wasn't there a stat that just a couple weeks ago the Blake was something like 22tds to 1 INT in the redzone?
This isn't Blake from last year level of bad. It's actually one of the best rates in the league.
The problem is, for whatever reason, bad things always happen on his turnovers. He rarely has one that is just intercepted and not returned. It's always a huge 40 yard return or something.
That int really hurt. almost 90% of Bortle's picks come from the flats. When I saw the formation I was praying that he wouldn't throw to that crowd and opt for the fade to Arob
Quote:No one is expecting "full consistency". Come on man we are all fans of Bortles and what he's accomplished so far in his short career but he has to get better in the decision making department. This isn't one or two games we are talking about here, its been a recurring theme since his rookie year. He has to get better for this team to turn the close losses into wins. And yes so does the defense and the RBs and the WRs etc but it starts with the QB.
Irrelevant.....
SOME FACTS FOR IGNORANT POSTERS.......
Bortles 2.6 INT % is above average.
His 22 TD and 1 INT in the red zone was the best in the NFL
The Jaguars give up 27.1 ppg, its 30th in the NFL and worst in franchise history.
Bortles is the best QB in Jags history.
The Texans give up 21.5 ppg and they will make the playoffs.
People are ignorant that they don't see the ONLY problem with this team......defense. Gus is a joke. Teams that give up 27 ppg don't make the playoffs.
Childish. D gave up 20 points and forced a turn over that lead to a td.
The pick was a 10 point play and we lost by six.
If blake is the man then he has to be judged that way.
Quote:The pick was a 10 point play and we lost by six.
People keep saying this but it's not accurate.
The only accurate point of that INT play is that it gave the Falcons 3 points they likely otherwise wouldn't have had.
There's no guarantee that, but for the INT, we score 7 points, and with Meyers that close, there's no guarantee that we even score 3.
The last two games prior to the Falcons, our red zone efficiency has been excellent. Prior to that, it was horrible. Call it a 6-point sway and you won't get much push back. Calling it a 10 point play is working to hard to blame Bortles for the loss.
Quote:Childish. D gave up 20 points and forced a turn over that lead to a td.
The pick was a 10 point play and we lost by six.
If blake is the man then he has to be judged that way.
Childish?! Our defense is 30th in the NFL. I don't think you understand that you DON'T win AWAY games or make the playoffs with a 30th ranked PPG defense. haha
Bortles is the most consistent player on this team. 2.6% INT rate coming in and 2.6% INT rate yesterday.
Quote:His 22 TD and 1 INT in the red zone was the best in the NFL
People are ignorant that they don't see the ONLY problem with this team......defense. Gus is a joke. Teams that give up 27 ppg don't make the playoffs.
Hey space,, good to cya. You know I'm a Bortles fan. You know I think he's going to be a god one for the Jags for a long time.
But, yesterday was a loss contributed by more than just the defense. You know that. The offense was flat terrible yesterday except for a couple drives (one if which started in Falcons territory because of the defense). The defense held Atlanta to 2 FGs the entire 2nd half. The offense did not convert a single 3rd down yesterday.
The INT was not the sole reason the Jags lost, not at all. But, it was a critical one for sure. Those are the types of situations people are talking about. On the 1 yard line at the end of the half, down 11 points, ball security is critical. That play was a huge swing in the game. And the Falcons ended up with 3 points that had absolutely nothing to do with the Defense (Bortles actually made one heck of a play to stop it being another pick-6).
As you're stats up there, yes that is very good, and Bortles will/should get better. But, how about turnovers in his own Red Zone? You know, the ones that are given up deep in his own territory that leads to easy opponents points? It's easy to cherry pick the good stats.
Anyway, did you watch the game yesterday? Do you know of the play I'm speaking about? The offense looked like it did early in the season (putting up 3 points in an entire half,, 3 and outs,, Sacks and pressures,, dropped passes,, fumbles,, INT,, etc.).
The offense stunk.
Quote:The source of frustration with the QB is that his mistakes happen at critical points in the game, and have been one of, if not THE key factor in turning victory into loss. When he throws an interception, it either turns into a pick six or kills a scoring drive. I realize he's still learning and I believe he will become an excellent QB . Living through his growing pains, nonetheless, is agonizing.
Quote:Childish. D gave up 20 points and forced a turn over that lead to a td.
The pick was a 10 point play and we lost by six.
If blake is the man then he has to be judged that way.
His INT's are frustrating and don't help, but the point is we've lost games when he's thrown for 4 and 5 touchdowns. Obviously he's the least of our worries.
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