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Quote:What a huge surprise.

 

Funny you chose to leave out the rest of the quote; maybe you should work for the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Bortles has some work to do in the offseason to take that next step, which we know he will put in the time (great to have a quarterback like that).


Improve on his short throws, which will increase his completion %. Improve on reading defenses and diagnosing the blitz. Be more consistent in his footwork.

Quote:Funny you chose to leave out the rest of the quote; maybe you should work for the Hillary Clinton campaign.

And you're doing your best to make the Teboners look intelligent.

The INT right before half was at least a 6 point swing and the blame for it falls squarely on Bortles.  We should have at least walked away with a field goal and ended the half, instead the Falcons not only prevented us from getting points but got a field goal themselves.  The interception took place at the goal line with 11 seconds left on the clock.  Prior to the play, the chance that the Falcons would put any more points on the board before the half was essentially nil.  Thankfully Bortles was able to run down the defender and tackle him at our 15 yard line to prevent a 100 yard return pick 6.  Coincidentally, we lost by 6.

 

As good as he is most of the time, he's scored entirely too many points for the other team this year.

Quote: The Jags have held just TWO opponents under 20 points the ENTIRE SEASON.

That is not true space. The defense was not responsible for some scoring in quite a few games this year.


- Carolina: defense gave up 13 (Bortles gave up 7 to make it 20)

- Colts: defense gave up 16 (13 in 4 qtrs)

- Titans: defense gave up 13

- Ravens: defense gave up 13 (Bortles INT very deep in Jags territory led to a very easy 2 play 7 points)


The defense also held Miami and Atlanta to 20 points (Bortles INT gave 3 to Atlanta).


The defense held Bills, Texans, Chargers to 24 points (2 pick-6's and an INT very deep in Jags territory led to TDs in each of those games. THOSE SCORES ARE NOT ON THE DEFENSE SPACE,, "PPG,PPG,PPG".


I know I tried to explain that to you before,, but I'm positive you just look at final scores and blame every point on the defense without actually realizing how points were given up.


Seriously space,, there has been over 60 points scored against the Jags this season that had nothing to do with the defense buddy. Nothing to do with the Defense.


Pick-6's

Fumble returns

Bad Snaps

Kick returns

INTs/Muffed Punt setting up automatic points very deep in Jags territory.


4.29 PPG are not on the defense buddy, they are on the offense/special teams. Please, stop spouting untrue nonsense to try and prove a point about Bortles that we all agree he's good and going to be very good a long time anyway.

Quote:That is not true space. The defense was not responsible for some scoring in quite a few games this year.


- Carolina: defense gave up 13 (Bortles gave up 7 to make it 20)

- Colts: defense gave up 16 (13 in 4 qtrs)

- Titans: defense gave up 13

- Ravens: defense gave up 13 (Bortles INT very deep in Jags territory led to a very easy 2 play 7 points)


The defense also held Miami and Atlanta to 20 points (Bortles INT gave 3 to Atlanta).


The defense held Bills, Texans, Chargers to 24 points (2 pick-6's and an INT very deep in Jags territory led to TDs in each of those games. THOSE SCORES ARE NOT ON THE DEFENSE SPACE,, "PPG,PPG,PPG".


I know I tried to explain that to you before,, but I'm positive you just look at final scores and blame every point on the defense without actually realizing how points were given up.


Seriously space,, there has been over 60 points scored against the Jags this season that had nothing to do with the defense buddy. Nothing to do with the Defense.


Pick-6's

Fumble returns

Bad Snaps

Kick returns

INTs/Muffed Punt setting up automatic points very deep in Jags territory.


4.29 PPG are not on the defense buddy, they are on the offense/special teams. Please, stop spouting untrue nonsense to try and prove a point about Bortles that we all agree he's good and going to be very good a long time anyway.

Erase that 4.29 and we still allow around 23.5 which is about what SF is allowing this year.... Defense is still terrible.


That being said, pick sixes, fumbkes, muffled punts, etc are all indicative of a young offense, so I have faith that area will improve greatly

Derek Carr has thrown 3 pick sixes this season the same amount as blake bortles but I bet you the Raiders fans appreciate him and our fans want to run blake out of town. No wonder I got my share of warnings on here because of some of these fans make me spew hatred towards them For their constant negativity towards our Qb and this team. Some of y'all feel free to please root for someone else and become a bandwagon fan of a winning team Like the Patriots if you want every game and every player on this team to be perfect because some of yall expectations of this QB and team is unrealistic.

Love the way that 300 yards is now a poor game. 300 yards looked impossible in the Gabbert years

Quote:Love the way that 300 yards is now a poor game. 300 yards looked impossible in the Gabbert years

 

They were possible, it just took 2 plus games to get there.

 

There's no doubt the INT was bad, hopefully he learns from it.

 

Bortles has cut down on the INTs this year and that's a very good sign going forward. There will always be some INTs though, you just have to live with them and hope they don't come at a really bad time.

Quote:They were possible, it just took 2 plus games to get there.


There's no doubt the INT was bad, hopefully he learns from it.


Bortles has cut down on the INTs this year and that's a very good sign going forward. There will always be some INTs though, you just have to live with them and hope they don't come at a really bad time.

Especially because he has to throw so much to keep us in games. The offense has been on his shoulders all year, and for a 23 year old qb, he's done a shockingly great job. I didn't expect 30 TDS and potentially 4000 yards passing (2 1000 yard WRs), considering the offensive line he had in front of him.

Quote:Derek Carr has thrown 3 pick sixes this season the same amount as blake bortles but I bet you the Raiders fans appreciate him and our fans want to run blake out of town. No wonder I got my share of warnings on here because of some of these fans make me spew hatred towards them For their constant negativity towards our Qb and this team. Some of y'all feel free to please root for someone else and become a bandwagon fan of a winning team Like the Patriots if you want every game and every player on this team to be perfect because some of yall expectations of this QB and team is unrealistic.

This is just stupid. Who in the hell wants to run Bortles out of town and who even inferred that?


He needs to improve and he definitely needs to cut down on stupid mistakes.


If you can't see that then maybe you should join spacedoutjag who thinks that Bortles can do absolutely no wrong and goes well out of his way to make every excuse in the book to deflect blame.

Quote:Especially because he has to throw so much to keep us in games. The offense has been on his shoulders all year, and for a 23 year old qb, he's done a shockingly great job. I didn't expect 30 TDS and potentially 4000 yards passing (2 1000 yard WRs), considering the offensive line he had in front of him.

It's not the INTs that bother me. It's the REALLY bad ones. You just can't keep doing that. There was just no excuse for the one at the end of the half. You HAVE TO come away with some points.


He is already a really good QB. But he has to improve on the really boneheaded plays and he could be a GREAT QB.

Quote:Erase that 4.29 and we still allow around 23.5 which is about what SF is allowing this year.... Defense is still terrible.


That being said, pick sixes, fumbkes, muffled punts, etc are all indicative of a young offense, so I have faith that area will improve greatly

I completely agree with you. The defense still gives up way too much and needs to be much better. Turnovers like that are indicative of a young offense thats true. It'll get better.


Earlier this year I was just trying to point out to space that all the points on the scoreboard weren't "PPG" all given up by the defense.


Cincy's defense is one of the top in PPG allowed this season. I watch alot of their games when I can. You know what helps their PPG? I honestly can't remember any pick-6's, fumble returns, or kick returns for TDs this year until last week when AJ McCarron threw 2 picks for TDs. So, yeah I agree that it is indicative of a young offense. Agree.

Quote:It's not the INTs that bother me. It's the REALLY bad ones. You just can't keep doing that. There was just no excuse for the one at the end of the half. You HAVE TO come away with some points.


He is already a really good QB. But he has to improve on the really boneheaded plays and he could be a GREAT QB.

It was a bad decision, for sure. But the play call was pretty terrible too.


Besides today int, there were no other passes on Sunday that looked bone headed, would you agree?

Quote:Derek Carr has thrown 3 pick sixes this season the same amount as blake bortles but I bet you the Raiders fans appreciate him and our fans want to run blake out of town. No wonder I got my share of warnings on here because of some of these fans make me spew hatred towards them For their constant negativity towards our Qb and this team. Some of y'all feel free to please root for someone else and become a bandwagon fan of a winning team Like the Patriots if you want every game and every player on this team to be perfect because some of yall expectations of this QB and team is unrealistic.

Ummm, okay. I don't remember anyone/anywhere saying they don't like Bortles and want to "run him out of town." I don't know where you get that from.

Quote:It was a bad decision, for sure. But the play call was pretty terrible too.


Besides today int, there were no other passes on Sunday that looked bone headed, would you agree?

Bad play call, but he also didn't have to try to force it. Throw it away or try to run for it. I don't see any way he could have gotten that ball there.


I can't recall any other really egregious errors but the situation amplifies that particular play.

Quote:Bad play call, but he also didn't have to try to force it. Throw it away or try to run for it. I don't see any way he could have gotten that ball there.


I can't recall any other really egregious errors but the situation amplifies that particular play.

Yeah, he should have thrown it away. But reason I'm pointing out that it seemed like that pass was the only mistake is to point out that this narrative that bb5 is a bad decision machine is false...


He needs to tighten up his game, that's fur sure. But he's no turn over machine like somee trolls would have us believe

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Quote:Yeah, he should have thrown it away. But reason I'm pointing out that it seemed like that pass was the only mistake is to point out that this narrative that bb5 is a bad decision machine is false...


He needs to tighten up his game, that's fur sure. But he's no turn over machine like somee trolls would have us believe

 

I really hope I'm not being included as one of these trolls because I think he is the future of this team.  He's not an interception machine/bad QB like some say....and he doesn't walk on water like spacedoutjag would like to believe.  He's somewhere in between.  He's a very good QB (right now) with tremendous upside but he does have some things to improve upon, and more often than not it comes down to decision-making.

 

Can he improve in this area? I certainly think (and hope) so since he's such a young guy and still a relatively inexperienced QB.

Quote:I really hope I'm not being included as one of these trolls because I think he is the future of this team. He's not an interception machine/bad QB like some say....and he doesn't walk on water like spacedoutjag would like to believe. He's somewhere in between. He's a very good QB (right now) with tremendous upside but he does have some things to improve upon, and more often than not it comes down to decision-making.


Can he improve in this area? I certainly think (and hope) so since he's such a young guy and still a relatively inexperienced QB.

There's only one troll I'm speaking of. And it's certainly not you.


I agree with most of your posts. Including your take on bb5.


As a second year qb, he's made huge strides, and has proven he's a franchise caliber, top 10 talent.


But to become elite, he's gotta reduce the forced passes that get him into trouble.