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Quote:Oh you really wanted a response? I thought it was pretty obvious your whole post was a joke.

<span style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">"Maybe because at this point, bortles isn't costing us games like luck was costing the clots."
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<span style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">- He has cost you MANY games. And many times he tried (Bills this year). This god of a QB is 5-8. He's not making playoffs this year. Again.
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<span style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">"Maybe because bortles doesn't even have 2 full seasons under his belt."
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<span style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">-What does this have to do with throwing should-be INTs? Is this a real argument for him? Do you already run out of excuses at excuse #2?
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<span style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">"Maybe because bortles is running a totally different offense this season than he was in year 1."
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<span style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">-What's your point? Luck has had 3 different OCs in 4 years too. By this logic, Luck's "should be INTs" are negated, too. Right loa?!?!
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<span style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">You're a full fledged homer, just as you call me one.
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I'm not even going to argue with you on this one. Think what you want man. Luck is god. The colts are really good.

Quote:I'm not even going to argue with you on this one. Think what you want man. Luck is god. The colts are really good.

 

"Great argument." Didn't you just say that to me? Then 5 minutes later you're folding like a cheap lawn tent.

 

Anyways, I like Bortles, I think he's alright. He'll be your QB for a while. He's no where near what Luck has accomplished, especially when healthy.

 

That's my stance and that goes the same for most football fans, too. Whether it fits your agenda or not.

Quote:"Great argument." Didn't you just say that to me? Then 5 minutes later you're folding like a cheap lawn tent.


Anyways, I like Bortles, I think he's alright. He'll be your QB for a while. He's no where near what Luck has accomplished, especially when healthy.


That's my stance and that goes the same for most football fans, too. Whether it fits your agenda or not.

That's why I won't continue this argument because it's pointless. You just say the same things and anytime anyone does provide good facts or stats you just disappear until you get an opening to revert back to the same thing you always say.

So what makes luck better?


Less mobile

Weaker arm

Not any smarter

Similar accuracy


Oh ESPN hype. He's better at that.

Quote:So what makes luck better?


Less mobile

Weaker arm

Not any smarter

Similar accuracy


Oh ESPN hype. He's better at that.

 

uh.... What? Are you talking about Hasselbeck vs. Bortles or Luck vs. Bortles?

 

Luck is more mobile

same arm strength

"smarter"? I don't even know how to determine whose smarter, but I'd assume it's Luck.

same accuracy.

 

And I don't watch ESPN.

 

Also, for how much crap you give Luck for not beating high quality teams (even though he's done it numerous times), when has Bortles EVER beat a quality team? (Psst: the answer is never).

 

Quote:That's why I won't continue this argument because it's pointless. You just say the same things and anytime anyone does provide good facts or stats you just disappear until you get an opening to revert back to the same thing you always say.

 

Huh? I replied to your post where you "provided good facts and stats" and you just reply with "I'm done, no point in arguing". LOL 

 

Maybe I should of posted a picture of a cheap lawn tent/chair instead of the homer. Or both. Both fit nice.

Luck more mobile hahaha

So Jags fans are happy about winning against our division rival and scoring the most points in the regular season in our history and rival fans are calling us out?


Maybe colts fans need years of losing so they can once again appreciate winning. I couldn't imagine watching football without having any emotion to winning.

Exactly. I get up at 3am to watch a rare jags win I will enjoy it and rub it in to smug opposition fans thanks!

Luck has achieved no where close to his expectations. If he wants to live up to the hype he needs to leave Indy or some combination of Irsay/Grigson/Pagano needs to go

I'm not sure it's the coaching. He's just not that great. He's good enough at his best just don't think he has quite the ability to be as billed.

It may have been running it up but then again point differential is a legitimate tie breaking factor. So I'm good with it unless we are mathematically out of it.

 

Regards...................the Chiefjag

I was the first to compare Luck to Andy Dalton.  I'd certainly prefer to have Andy Dalton, particularly when comparing what the cost for each player was.

 

Polian has admitted he wished he'd taken Dalton, too.  He'd likely still be around and the clots better off, never having to skip a beat without Peyton and they wouldn't have suffered through the bad moves made by his successor.

Quote:"Great argument." Didn't you just say that to me? Then 5 minutes later you're folding like a cheap lawn tent.

 

Anyways, I like Bortles, I think he's alright. He'll be your QB for a while. He's no where near what Luck has accomplished, especially when healthy.

 

That's my stance and that goes the same for most football fans, too. Whether it fits your agenda or not.

What has luck accomplished?

Quote:What has luck accomplished?

HOF hype.


Grudens most talked about QB since Favre? Hilarious when he stinks it up on MNF.

Quote:They must be the most deluded fan base in the NFL. Spoilt from the Manning years.

 

no,not even.

 The Colts  have been successful through their entire history. The made the playoffs  and won championships in the 60s and 70s. Theyve over all been more successful than the Patriots and any AFC team other than Pittsburgh. Both of which were original nfl teams.

 

they were the playoffs with Harbaugh too...and Bert Jones

Quote:no,not even.

The Colts have been successful through their entire history. The made the playoffs and won championships in the 60s and 70s. Theyve over all been more successful than the Patriots and any AFC team other than Pittsburgh. Both of which were original nfl teams.


they were the playoffs with Harbaugh too...and Bert Jones

Don't forget they were an AFC finalist in 2014. I read that on a banner somewhere.

Quote:Luck has achieved no where close to his expectations. If he wants to live up to the hype he needs to leave Indy or some combination of Irsay/Grigson/Pagano needs to go

 

He could actually achieve those expectations this year if he gets the clots to the Super Bowl and he probably doesn't even have to win it, just get them there.

 

Well, it's right there in front of him, let's see if he can get there.

Quote:Don't forget they were an AFC finalist in 2014. I read that on a banner somewhere.

 

They were also finalists in the game that ended the 16 game winning streak against the AFCS, which I believe to be an NFL record number of wins against one division.

 

I wonder if they will hang a banner (with score included) for that game?

Quote:no,not even.

 The Colts  have been successful through their entire history. The made the playoffs  and won championships in the 60s and 70s. Theyve over all been more successful than the Patriots and any AFC team other than Pittsburgh. Both of which were original nfl teams.

 

they were the playoffs with Harbaugh too...and Bert Jones

Complete propaganda.

 

They had six straight losing seasons from 1981-1986.

 

In 1981 they finished 2-14 and drafted Schlichter at QB in 1982

 

1982 they finished winless in a strike shortened year and drafted Elway #1 overall in 1983.  The team was so horribly mismanaged, he refused to play for them and they traded him away with him never playing a down for them.

 

They couldn't get a stadium in Baltimore and wound up moving to Indy in 1984.

They had four years of mediocrity until falling back down to the bottom of the league in 1991, the year after they traded up to get Jeff George first overall. 

 

By 1992 they managed to have the top two picks in the draft, and even picked two studs who brought them back to mediocrity, only to fall back down to a top three draft pick the next year.  Three years of mediocrity followed by two more years at the bottom of the league standings at 3-13 before the law of averages kicked in and they finally hit on a QB.

 

So between 1978-1998, your BEST record was 9-6 (in a strike year with replacement players).  During that period, you had 9 straight losing years, and 14 losing seasons overall.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/

Luck is good but having an off year.

 

Bortles is steadily improving and is on fringe of becoming one of the better NFL QBs.

 

Every QB throws balls that are dropped by defenders.

 

Fair enough?