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Quote:Attempting to draw the defense offsides happens every single game in the history of football.


What planet are you from?

 

You obviously did not read my entire post. Read it again.

Didnt mind the field goal at all with our short run game in disarray all season.

 

But like another poster said, they shouldve tried a hard count and try to draw them offsides. Atleast give the illusion you are going for it and then take a timeout and kick it.

Quote:Didnt mind the field goal at all with our short run game in disarray all season.

 

But like another poster said, they shouldve tried a hard count and try to draw them offsides. Atleast give the illusion you are going for it and then take a timeout and kick it.

 

If you try to draw them offsides and succeed, obviously you don't need to call timeout and kick it. Why don't people understand this?

Quote:If you try to draw them offsides and succeed, obviously you don't need to call timeout and kick it. Why don't people understand this?

 

If they dont succeed getting them offsides then you call a timeout. I thought that was implied

Quote:I just like the mentality of going for the win right then and there.

So do I, but when your short-yardage game is as abysmal as ours has been and you're, for whatever reason, more apt to play the 195-lb. scatback on 4th and inches than you are your stud, why invite the door slam?

 

Quote:The one play had decent blocking across the line.  I think if they had Yeldon in there he would have scored.  But it isn't hard to arm chair offensive coordinator the decisions.

I don't know that Yeldon would have made much of a difference. On the one hand, running D-Rob up the middle three times in short-yardage made no sense. On the other, if Yeldon was really showing something in practice short-yardage situations, why would the team be going to D-Rob and Gerhart? Makes me wonder if he's just not a great short-yardage player at this point in his career.

 

Quote:Didnt mind the field goal at all with our short run game in disarray all season.

 

But like another poster said, they shouldve tried a hard count and try to draw them offsides. Atleast give the illusion you are going for it and then take a timeout and kick it.

I kind of wondered why they didn't do this, and here's the best I can figure: they expected that if Tennessee did score a touchdown, it would have been a quick hit, and they'd have needed those timeouts to ensure that they had three plays to get into field goal range, and a fourth to make the kick.

I was one screaming for a FG before the timeout by Tennessee when it sure looked like they were going for it. Don't make it and now the Titans just have to move the ball into FG range, which might I add, they did.

 

The FG made them drive the field and do what they could only do on one drive aided by about 40 or so yards of crap pass interference penalties.

Quote:Just wondering if anyone agrees with me that the Jaguars should have gone for it on 4th and inches with just over 2 minutes left. Certainly, the field goal was the safe call and the Jaguars won, but why give the Titans a chance to win with a touchdown when all you need is a few inches. Bortles fumbled a q.b. sneak earlier and maybe this is why Bradley kicked, but I still say the odds of a 240 pound q.b. getting a couple inches was overwhelmingly in their favor which would have clinched the game. Even if he didn't make it, the Jags defense had been playing well and could have stopped the Titans.

 

No doubt, the Jaguars are very poor in short yardage situations, but if a team can't get a few inches they don't deserve to win anyway. I'm ecstatic that they won, but this is my opinion on that call. Does anyone agree ?

 

Nope.  I actually agree with Gus's decision on this one.

 

Risk vs Reward.  If we fail to convert the 4th, all the Titans need to do is get a FG to send it to overtime where anything can happen.

 

Our Defense was playing very well all night, and putting Mariota in a position to have to march down the field and score a Touchdown with ~2 minutes and no timeouts was definitely the right call imo.

 

If they still had additional timeouts, I'd have been more inclined to go for it to try and put the game on ice right there.

 

Ultimately, we had 2 good options in that spot.  I just think Gus actually picked the right one.

The decision worked out in the end, but IMO if you're already up by a FG another FG and taking the "safer" option that allows the Titans to win with a TD is a little bothersome. If you convert that 4th and inches you win the game right there, if you dont trust your offense to get a fraction of a yard... why play the game? It seemed like Bradley was coaching "not to lose" rather than "playing to win" it worked out in the end so i'm hardly one to criticize but i had a sinking feeling that we'd lose on on a last effort desperation play, i'm glad I was wrong... also THE CARDIAC CATS ARE BACK!!!!! :pirate:

Quote:So do I, but when your short-yardage game is as abysmal as ours has been and you're, for whatever reason, more apt to play the 195-lb. scatback on 4th and inches than you are your stud, why invite the door slam?

 

I don't know that Yeldon would have made much of a difference. On the one hand, running D-Rob up the middle three times in short-yardage made no sense. On the other, if Yeldon was really showing something in practice short-yardage situations, why would the team be going to D-Rob and Gerhart? Makes me wonder if he's just not a great short-yardage player at this point in his career.

 

I kind of wondered why they didn't do this, and here's the best I can figure: they expected that if Tennessee did score a touchdown, it would have been a quick hit, and they'd have needed those timeouts to ensure that they had three plays to get into field goal range, and a fourth to make the kick.

 

Yea but sacrificing a timeout to possibly end the game is the correct move. The reward is much greater than the risk. Unlike going for it on the 4th down where the risk was just too high based on the Jags offense and titans D.

Bradley made the right call to kick the field goal, forcing the Titans to have to score a TD and taking a Titan field goal out of the equation.  Additionally, the Jags had shown horrible short yardage ability in the game. 

Bortles fumbled on a QB sneak earlier in the game on a short yardage situation. The pitchfork crowd would've had a field day if they went for it again and didn't make it. Gus made the right call based on the way the tack's offense was playing, but there's no denying that the game was Myers' to win at that point. Glad he stepped up like he did last night.


Hurns would've been the goat for not picking up that first down. It was there for him but he just couldn't make the play.that was what I was most disappointed with in that situation.

Quote:The decision worked out in the end, but IMO if you're already up by a FG another FG and taking the "safer" option that allows the Titans to win with a TD is a little bothersome. If you convert that 4th and inches you win the game right there, if you dont trust your offense to get a fraction of a yard... why play the game? It seemed like Bradley was coaching "not to lose" rather than "playing to win" it worked out in the end so i'm hardly one to criticize but i had a sinking feeling that we'd lose on on a last effort desperation play, i'm glad I was wrong... also THE CARDIAC CATS ARE BACK!!!!! :pirate:

 

Because there's another team on the field?  One with a pretty solid Defense that would absolutely sell out to stop the incoming QB Sneak.

 

The QB Sneak which failed earlier in the game.

 

Kind of like the inability (yet again) to punch the ball in w/ the run inside the 5?

 

 

Last night, the Jags D was the strength.  Kicking the FG there puts the Titans in a VERY difficult spot, needing a Touchdown with ~2 minutes and ZERO Timeouts.

 

Gus Bradley basically decided that our Defense gave us the best chance to win the game there.

 

Turns out, he was right...

 

For once.

Quote:Yeah but sacrificing a timeout to possibly end the game is the correct move. The reward is much greater than the risk. Unlike going for it on the 4th down where the risk was just too high based on the Jags offense and Titans D.

 

So our offense can't be trusted to gain the length of a football against Tennessee? I can't agree with you there.

 

I don't know what you mean by "sacrificing a timeout." That only happens when a coach loses a challenge.  If you call timeout, you are just using one, not giving it up.

Quote:Bortles fumbled on a QB sneak earlier in the game on a short yardage situation. The pitchfork crowd would've had a field day if they went for it again and didn't make it. Gus made the right call based on the way the tack's offense was playing, but there's no denying that the game was Myers' to win at that point. Glad he stepped up like he did last night.


Hurns would've been the goat for not picking up that first down. It was there for him but he just couldn't make the play.that was what I was most disappointed with in that situation.

 

Hurns could make the play. He chose not to because his momentum to get the first down would have taken him out of bounds. If Hurns went down headfirst and reached over the line, he would have gotten the first down.

Gus coached a solid game last night. The team as a whole is learning to win.

Quote:So our offense can't be trusted to gain the length of a football against Tennessee? I can't agree with you there.

 

I don't know what you mean by "sacrificing a timeout." That only happens when a coach loses a challenge.  If you call timeout, you are just using one, not giving it up.

 

Our offense, which failed a QB sneak and multiple short yardage runs against a solid Defense. 

 

The point is, IF they fail to convert there, the Titans have a VERY good chance of getting in FG range and sending the game to Overtime.

 

The Titans Offense did not look all that great, so forcing them to go the length of the field in ~2 minutes with Zero Time outs is the right call.

Quote:So our offense can't be trusted to gain the length of a football against Tennessee? I can't agree with you there.

 

I don't know what you mean by "sacrificing a timeout." That only happens when a coach loses a challenge.  If you call timeout, you are just using one, not giving it up.

 

In a vacuum any offense should be able to pick that up. But in this circumstance the odds of getting that short yardage was very low. There is another team on the field afterall.

 

This situation would be very similar to losing a timeout on a challenge. The offense shouldve went out there to try and draw them offsides (challenging the play). If the defense doesnt go offside, then you call a timeout (losing the challenge). This is essentially sacrificing a timeout in an attempt to get the other team offsides so you can pick up the first down.

If we still had Greg Jones on the roster I would go for it but looking back it was probably the right call. They couldn't get in the endzone all night cept when gifted by the officials.  They could have easily got in FG range though so adding the 3 was needed.

I agree that Gus and the coaching staff had one of their better games. Other than the sequence with Denard near the goal line, I think Olsen mixed it up pretty well. They finally threw more to the tight ends and seemed to have a good balance between run and pass.

As far as the decision to kick the field goal, I still say they should have gone for it. That being said, I can see why Bradley decided to kick and force the Titans to get a touchdown. Their offense is poor and our D was playing well. It worked out, but there have been so many "crazy" finishes in the NFL in recent weeks that I had visions of Green-Beckham catching a t.d. pass on the last play. Thankfully, he looked exhausted on the last series and was unable to get open on the last play.

Ultimately this comes down to emotion vs rationality. Would we all have loved to end the game right there, running the ball down the throat of our most hated rival? Of course. Woulda felt swell.

 

But then rationality creeps in and we remember that we've been very bad at short yardage situations this season. Not to mention Blake got stripped on that sneak, even though his foward progress was stopped. We also remember that we were stopping them all night on defense and they had no time-outs. Add in the fact that we were facing a rookie QB who had to get 80 yards - as opposed to the forty needed for a field goal - and the decision is clear.