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Quote:Think for a second.  When any of the Trump people are asked for evidence, by the Congress, or by the press, they give one of two answers.   Some of them say they know nothing, and some of them say, it's coming.   None of them say, there's a recording of Flynn.   None of them cite that as evidence. 

 

And the reason they don't is because everyone in the entire world knows that that recording came from a routine recording of the Russian embassy.   It was a phone call between Flynn and the Russian Ambassador.   We listen in on everything in the Russian Embassy. 

 

Therefore, that recording of Flynn has nothing to do with any surveillance of Trump himself or the Trump campaign. 
 

Then you answered your own question. Releasing the information would be opposed to national security. If nothing else it tells foreign governments just how pervasive the US is recording their conversations. Also, if releasing the info gives the names of private citizens then that would be illegal too.

Quote:Then you answered your own question. Releasing the information would be opposed to national security. If nothing else it tells foreign governments just how pervasive the US is recording their conversations. Also, if releasing the info gives the names of private citizens then that would be illegal too.
 

So now you're not saying the recording of Flynn is evidence enough, like you did earlier today.  You've stepped back from that position and now you're saying, we can't see the evidence because it's a secret. 

 

Then give the evidence to the House or Senate Intelligence Committees.   They are privy to all this kind of national-security-related stuff.   They can see the evidence and just say, "We have seen the evidence and it appears Trump was right.  But we can't release the evidence due to national security implications."  

 

And yet, he won't show them the evidence either.   The Chairmen of those committees, Republicans, both say, they have seen no evidence.   They've asked for it, and asked for it, and asked for it, and still they get nothing. 

 

There's nothing to prevent Trump from showing the evidence to the ranking members of those committees.   But he won't.  Why not?  

 

There's only one possible reason.   The evidence doesn't exist.   They're desperately searching for any kind of evidence to back up their claim that they were surveilled.   Why do you think they tried to kick the whole thing to Congress to investigate?  Because they were hoping Congress would find something to get them off the hook. 

 

So now, the members of the relevant committees in Congress who would do the investigation say, where to we start?   Show us what you've got.  And they get nothing. 

 

He doesn't even show the evidence to his own spokes-people!  They all say they know nothing!  

 

The more he fights this, the worse it gets.  Anyone with a knowledge of history knows, it's never the original transgression that brings a public figure down, it's the cover-up.   The more you fight, the worse it gets. 

 

He needs to apologize and move on to his agenda. 

 

If I were you, I wouldn't waste my time defending this.  I would just say, "yes, he screwed up, now let's move on to some real issues like the budget, or immigration, or whatever."  Why do you throw yourself in with this guy?   

Quote:So now you're not saying the recording of Flynn is evidence enough, like you did earlier today.  You've stepped back from that position and now you're saying, we can't see the evidence because it's a secret. 
 

No, I'm saying that they won't comment on the recording of Flynn for national security reasons.


 

In any case this whole thing is a non-issue. Either Trump was right or he was mistaken. So what? Even if Obama recorded Trump or his staff, the IRS targeting of conservative organizations was a much bigger abuse of government force that occurred during Obama's administration, and that was swept away as no big deal.

Quote:No, I'm saying that they won't comment on the recording of Flynn for national security reasons.


 

In any case this whole thing is a non-issue. Either Trump was right or he was mistaken. So what? Even if Obama recorded Trump or his staff, the IRS targeting of conservative organizations was a much bigger abuse of government force that occurred during Obama's administration, and that was swept away as no big deal.
 

Now you're doing the right thing.  Take my advice and just. walk. away.   Don't defend this.  It's a loser. 

 

1) Don't fight battles that aren't worth fighting.

2) Don't fight battles that you can't win. 

 

Let's hope, for the sake of the country, Trump takes my advice, too.  He's just digging a hole for himself.   I think the country is better off fighting about issues, and not whether the Commander in Chief is mentally competent. 
Quote:Now you're doing the right thing. Take my advice and just. walk. away. Don't defend this. It's a loser.


1) Don't fight battles that aren't worth fighting.

2) Don't fight battles that you can't win.


Let's hope, for the sake of the country, Trump takes my advice, too. He's just digging a hole for himself. I think the country is better off fighting about issues, and not whether the Commander in Chief is mentally competent.


Hah!


Another day, another international incident

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Another day, another international incident

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My God, these people just will not stop digging this hole they are in.   It's incredible.  
Quote:There's a [BAD WORD REMOVED] recording of Flynn. How much evidence do you need?


Are you trying to say because Flynn was recorded it proves Obama wire tapped trump towers? Is that what they are feeding you guys?
Thread has gotten ridiculously personal.

 

Take it to the PM fellas lol

Quote:Thread has gotten ridiculously personal.


Take it to the PM fellas lol


You're not a Springer fan are ya?
Quote:You're not a Springer fan are ya?
Not ever since I figured out it's all staged.

 

This is like new Springer. Classic Springer was pretty good. Simple trailer park folk finding out the baby is your best friends. *fight ensues* 

Once it was all midgets cheating on their sisters with their cousin's wife... I was out...
Quote:Not ever since I figured out it's all staged.

 

This is like new Springer. Classic Springer was pretty good. Simple trailer park folk finding out the baby is your best friends. *fight ensues* 

Once it was all midgets cheating on their sisters with their cousin's wife... I was out...
 

Wait, what?

 

And here I was, thinking Springer had nothing which interested me.
Quote:Wait, what?

 

And here I was, thinking Springer had nothing which interested me.
You missed some real awful episodes after 'The Ringmaster' was released lol
So Trump refused to shake the German president's hand. Nor was able to make eye contact. So weird.


So that's two international incidents in one day.


He is spending his 7th consecutive weekend at the trump owned Florida resort on the tax payers dollars


What a class act.


He also told merkel that Obama wiretapped her too lol
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/03...conference


What a laughingstock he's made this country
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Lol WHO is this guy
 

The Many Orange Faced Cheeto.
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Awwwwwww does the fake whining liberal need his baba?


Did you make a poo-poo?
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Lol WHO is this guy
 

A president who puts the US interests ahead of German interests?


 

No wonder the Left hates him.

Quote:A president who puts the US interests ahead of German interests?


No wonder the Left hates him.


Denke an die kinder!!!
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