Not if he has no run blocking from the OT's and they were very poor at that last season.

Well an undrafted back did ok behind that horrible line. What was his name again? i can't remember.

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Seriously, if they had made this pick today at 33, everyone would be in support of it. Late first rounders are basically early second rounders. It's why the inverse order can be a bad thing for consistently good teams sometimes.

Robinson did well, because he is an inside power back and ran between the Tackles. Our interior O-Line is fine. They did a good job run blocking. Etienne on the other hand, is a speedy, outside runner who needs to get to the corner to break free. Our OT's were one of the worst run blocking duos in the NFL last year. Etienne and Robinson are two totally different types of runners. You just can't lump all running backs in the same category. Were Jerome Bettis and Barry Sanders the same type of RB's?

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I love the pick. I seriously love it. He’s fast, shifty, and he can MIA TAKE IT TO DA HOUSE!!

Not if he has no run blocking from the OT's and they were very poor at that last season.

Dude we have been complaining about the play-calling, the scheme, the Qb Play some of the bad line play was also on Mullet Man Minshew. Don't believe me The Chargers whose Qb was the darling of the league had the worst offensive line last year...Jags are 26 and that with sub-par Qb Play SMDH... this from the media that never have a good thing to say about the Jags again our OL ranked 26 above the Chargers with bad Qb play. Ill let that marinate.
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I remember the success we had against NE in the AFC Championship game when we ran Corey Grant with Leonard Fournette in the backfield. If you keyed on Leonard, Corey’s speed could really burn you. Could the same happen with Robinson and Etienne in the same backfield? Would be tough to account for both.....plus Trevor could run if you pay no attention to him. That opens up things for Chark and Shenault.

It's good that you remember that; at the time it seemed like not a huge loss, but when Corey Grant went down in 2018 it definitely hurt our offense.

FACTS....

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Well an undrafted back did ok behind that horrible line. What was his name again? i can't remember.

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Seriously, if they had made this pick today at 33, everyone would be in support of it. Late first rounders are basically early second rounders. It's why the inverse order can be a bad thing for consistently good teams sometimes.

Robinson did well, because he is an inside power back and ran between the Tackles. Our interior O-Line is fine. They did a good job run blocking. Etienne on the other hand, is a speedy, outside runner who needs to get to the corner to break free. Our OT's were one of the worst run blocking duos in the NFL last year. Etienne and Robinson are two totally different types of runners. You just can't lump all running backs in the same category. Were Jerome Bettis and Barry Sanders the same type of RB's?

No, but I see him as more a dual threat; a back that will be in on a lot of passing downs.

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Not if he has no run blocking from the OT's and they were very poor at that last season.

Dude we have been complaining about the play-calling, the scheme, the Qb Play some of the bad line play was also on Mullet Man Minshew. Don't believe me The Chargers whose Qb was the darling of the league had the worst offensive line last year...Jags 22 guess whose 23 the Titans and that with sub-par Qb Play SMDH... this from the media that never have a good thing to say about the Jags again our OL ranked above Tennessee's with bad Qb play. Ill let that marinate.
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It's good that you remember that; at the time it seemed like not a huge loss, but when Corey Grant went down in 2018 it definitely hurt our offense.

FACTS....

Marinate on this.... those rankings rate the O-Line as a whole. We have a good interior. That is why our ranking is higher. You have to dig deeper. Our OT's are the guys who suck! PFF has our OT duo as the lowest rated in the NFL. You just can't look at one general stat and say there isn't a problem. There is. You can't blame all the poor blocking on bad QB play last season. Our OT's rated low in run blocking as well.

Facts......

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So now we're seriously comparing taking a RB in the first round to taking a punter in the 3rd?

I don't think it's near that bad.  RB in the 1st round is just a little questionable.  Especially when we have James Robinson.  Ultimately the question will be, are we better off with Etienne + Whoever we take at #33 and #45 OR would we have been better off maybe going Moerhig, and then whoever we take at 33 and 45.

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I remember the success we had against NE in the AFC Championship game when we ran Corey Grant with Leonard Fournette in the backfield. If you keyed on Leonard, Corey’s speed could really burn you. Could the same happen with Robinson and Etienne in the same backfield? Would be tough to account for both.....plus Trevor could run if you pay no attention to him. That opens up things for Chark and Shenault.

It's good that you remember that; at the time it seemed like not a huge loss, but when Corey Grant went down in 2018 it definitely hurt our offense.

I remember that combo was giving NE fits. And we seemed to get away from that later in the game. And in 2018, we beat them like a drum. Losing Corey really hurt Fournette as they could concentrate just on him. Remember Bortles’s passing game didn’t command much respect.

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Seen Sproles and Corey Grant named as the type of guys we need to compliment Robinson. I agree and I bet a lot of the people against the pick also agree. Don’t think anybody dislikes Travis as a player. He’s a good talent.

But that type of skill set is so much easier to find later in the draft. The aforementioned Sproles and Grant were taken in the 4th and UDFA, respectively.

It’s gonna be real tough to find guys like Moehring, Barmore, Jenkins, etc later in the draft.

We have used big draft capital and spent lots in free agency to find a back and it has always blown up in our face. They haven’t learned, and that’s scary.

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Seen Sproles and Corey Grant named as the type of guys we need to compliment Robinson. I agree and I bet a lot of the people against the pick also agree. Don’t think anybody dislikes Travis as a player. He’s a good talent.

But that type of skill set is so much easier to find later in the draft. The aforementioned Sproles and Grant were taken in the 4th and UDFA, respectively.

It’s gonna be real tough to find guys like Moehring, Barmore, Jenkins, etc later in the draft.

We have used big draft capital and spent lots in free agency to find a back and it has always blown up in our face. They haven’t learned, and that’s scary.

No way Etienne makes it to the 4th.

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Seen Sproles and Corey Grant named as the type of guys we need to compliment Robinson. I agree and I bet a lot of the people against the pick also agree. Don’t think anybody dislikes Travis as a player. He’s a good talent.

But that type of skill set is so much easier to find later in the draft. The aforementioned Sproles and Grant were taken in the 4th and UDFA, respectively.

It’s gonna be real tough to find guys like Moehring, Barmore, Jenkins, etc later in the draft.

We have used big draft capital and spent lots in free agency to find a back and it has always blown up in our face. They haven’t learned, and that’s scary.

No way Etienne makes it to the 4th.

I don't think ETN makes it out of the 1st round..

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Seen Sproles and Corey Grant named as the type of guys we need to compliment Robinson. I agree and I bet a lot of the people against the pick also agree. Don’t think anybody dislikes Travis as a player. He’s a good talent.

But that type of skill set is so much easier to find later in the draft. The aforementioned Sproles and Grant were taken in the 4th and UDFA, respectively.

It’s gonna be real tough to find guys like Moehring, Barmore, Jenkins, etc later in the draft.

We have used big draft capital and spent lots in free agency to find a back and it has always blown up in our face. They haven’t learned, and that’s scary.

(Emphasis added)

You had me until the portion in bold.

I can't recall too many times we've utilized "big draft capital" on a RB and regretted it.

In 1995, we drafted James Stewart in the first round.  While Gator fans hated him, the fact is he was decent.  He had a 900 yard rushing season and had a 5 TD game.  In 1998, we spent a first round pick on Fred Taylor, and he wound up arguably the best player (certainly in the best 2-3) in team history.  In 2004 we drafted FB Greg Jones in the 2nd round.  IIRC he made a pro bowl.  In 2006, we spent a low 2nd round pick on MJD, and he wound up being an all time Jaguars great, and one of the most fun and exciting players in team history.   Id say the one time we spent high draft capital on a RB and regretted it was Fournette in 2017, in large part because we bypassed Mahomes and Watson to draft him.  But he had a 1000 yard rushing season and performed well in our playoff run.  His knuckleheadedness got him cut from the team, but Tampa did not hesitate to snap him up on the way to winning a Super Bowl, nor did they hesitate in re-signing him.  It hasn't always blown up in our faces.

I can't recall any large free agency expenditures on RB.  We got Natrone Means on waivers fromt he Chargers, and he led our 1996 playoff run with two huge playoff games.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I have a feeling that Etiene will be back there with Agnew for kick returns; the other team better pray it's a touchback every time. The pick is growing on me, he leads the ACC in all time rushing which can't be overlooked, it's hard for me to see him bust but i still understand the boards frustrations.

UM has almost always had 2 stellar backs in his stable at any given time. I remember questioning the MJD pick given that Fred was still here (and he's my favorite all time player) but it ended up paying huge dividends. Robinson won't have to shoulder as much of the load and can stay healthier. Last season or the season prior iirc 25 of 32 backfields suffered an injury and missed multiple games, i get that talent can be had later in the draft but that's never a guarantee; for every aaron jones or udfa like james robinson there are 10 Deji Karim's and Ryquell Armsteads.

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Seen Sproles and Corey Grant named as the type of guys we need to compliment Robinson. I agree and I bet a lot of the people against the pick also agree. Don’t think anybody dislikes Travis as a player. He’s a good talent.

But that type of skill set is so much easier to find later in the draft. The aforementioned Sproles and Grant were taken in the 4th and UDFA, respectively.

It’s gonna be real tough to find guys like Moehring, Barmore, Jenkins, etc later in the draft.

We have used big draft capital and spent lots in free agency to find a back and it has always blown up in our face. They haven’t learned, and that’s scary.

(Emphasis added)

You had me until the portion in bold.

I can't recall too many times we've utilized "big draft capital" on a RB and regretted it.

In 1995, we drafted James Stewart in the first round.  While Gator fans hated him, the fact is he was decent.  He had a 900 yard rushing season and had a 5 TD game.  In 1998, we spent a first round pick on Fred Taylor, and he wound up arguably the best player (certainly in the best 2-3) in team history.  In 2004 we drafted FB Greg Jones in the 2nd round.  IIRC he made a pro bowl.  In 2006, we spent a low 2nd round pick on MJD, and he wound up being an all time Jaguars great, and one of the most fun and exciting players in team history.   Id say the one time we spent high draft capital on a RB and regretted it was Fournette in 2017, in large part because we bypassed Mahomes and Watson to draft him.  But he had a 1000 yard rushing season and performed well in our playoff run.  His knuckleheadedness got him cut from the team, but Tampa did not hesitate to snap him up on the way to winning a Super Bowl, nor did they hesitate in re-signing him.  It hasn't always blown up in our faces.

I can't recall any large free agency expenditures on RB.  We got Natrone Means on waivers fromt he Chargers, and he led our 1996 playoff run with two huge playoff games.

Toby Gerhart but the $$'s weren't exorbitant, but paying him any amount of money to fail 4 straight times from the 1 yard line, made me think of him less as the "White Rhino" and more like the "White Blind Mole"

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

Seen Sproles and Corey Grant named as the type of guys we need to compliment Robinson. I agree and I bet a lot of the people against the pick also agree. Don’t think anybody dislikes Travis as a player. He’s a good talent.

But that type of skill set is so much easier to find later in the draft. The aforementioned Sproles and Grant were taken in the 4th and UDFA, respectively.

It’s gonna be real tough to find guys like Moehring, Barmore, Jenkins, etc later in the draft.

We have used big draft capital and spent lots in free agency to find a back and it has always blown up in our face. They haven’t learned, and that’s scary.

(Emphasis added)

You had me until the portion in bold.

I can't recall too many times we've utilized "big draft capital" on a RB and regretted it.

In 1995, we drafted James Stewart in the first round.  While Gator fans hated him, the fact is he was decent.  He had a 900 yard rushing season and had a 5 TD game.  In 1998, we spent a first round pick on Fred Taylor, and he wound up arguably the best player (certainly in the best 2-3) in team history.  In 2004 we drafted FB Greg Jones in the 2nd round.  IIRC he made a pro bowl.  In 2006, we spent a low 2nd round pick on MJD, and he wound up being an all time Jaguars great, and one of the most fun and exciting players in team history.   Id say the one time we spent high draft capital on a RB and regretted it was Fournette in 2017, in large part because we bypassed Mahomes and Watson to draft him.  But he had a 1000 yard rushing season and performed well in our playoff run.  His knuckleheadedness got him cut from the team, but Tampa did not hesitate to snap him up on the way to winning a Super Bowl, nor did they hesitate in re-signing him.  It hasn't always blown up in our faces.

I can't recall any large free agency expenditures on RB.  We got Natrone Means on waivers fromt he Chargers, and he led our 1996 playoff run with two huge playoff games.

I always hated the "Gator fans hated Stewart because he was a Vol" narrative.  As a Gator fan, I hated the pick, not because he was from Tennessee, but because after watching every minute of 4 years of Gator/Tennessee games he was a part of, I didn't know who the heck he was!  That, and I wanted Napoleon Kaufman.  if Stewart had torn us up in those Gator games, I would have liked the pick just fine.

Fournette is freshest in all of our minds and was a terrible waste of draft capital.  If we had traded back and taken him at 25, he probably would have been much better received.  Even so, it was a great draft for running backs that year.  He was probably the 6th or 7th best in his draft and it pretty much put a stranglehold on the 'don't draft a RB in the first round' argument.

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I have a feeling that Etiene will be back there with Agnew for kick returns; the other team better pray it's a touchback every time. The pick is growing on me, he leads the ACC in all time rushing which can't be overlooked, it's hard for me to see him bust but i still understand the boards frustrations.

UM has almost always had 2 stellar backs in his stable at any given time. I remember questioning the MJD pick given that Fred was still here (and he's my favorite all time player) but it ended up paying huge dividends. Robinson won't have to shoulder as much of the load and can stay healthier. Last season or the season prior iirc 25 of 32 backfields suffered an injury and missed multiple games, i get that talent can be had later in the draft but that's never a guarantee; for every aaron jones or udfa like james robinson there are 10 Deji Karim's and Ryquell Armsteads.

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(Emphasis added)

You had me until the portion in bold.

I can't recall too many times we've utilized "big draft capital" on a RB and regretted it.

In 1995, we drafted James Stewart in the first round.  While Gator fans hated him, the fact is he was decent.  He had a 900 yard rushing season and had a 5 TD game.  In 1998, we spent a first round pick on Fred Taylor, and he wound up arguably the best player (certainly in the best 2-3) in team history.  In 2004 we drafted FB Greg Jones in the 2nd round.  IIRC he made a pro bowl.  In 2006, we spent a low 2nd round pick on MJD, and he wound up being an all time Jaguars great, and one of the most fun and exciting players in team history.   Id say the one time we spent high draft capital on a RB and regretted it was Fournette in 2017, in large part because we bypassed Mahomes and Watson to draft him.  But he had a 1000 yard rushing season and performed well in our playoff run.  His knuckleheadedness got him cut from the team, but Tampa did not hesitate to snap him up on the way to winning a Super Bowl, nor did they hesitate in re-signing him.  It hasn't always blown up in our faces.

I can't recall any large free agency expenditures on RB.  We got Natrone Means on waivers fromt he Chargers, and he led our 1996 playoff run with two huge playoff games.

Toby Gerhart but the $$'s weren't exorbitant, but paying him any amount of money to fail 4 straight times from the 1 yard line, made me think of him less as the "White Rhino" and more like the "White Blind Mole"

Forgot about gerhart. 

Yes, his signing was disastrous.

Still. adding him to the mix does not justify the statement to which I replied.  The majority of Jaguars high draft expenditures on RB have been worth it.

That said, whether Etienne proves to be worth it remains to be seen.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I have a feeling that Etiene will be back there with Agnew for kick returns; the other team better pray it's a touchback every time. The pick is growing on me, he leads the ACC in all time rushing which can't be overlooked, it's hard for me to see him bust but i still understand the boards frustrations.

UM has almost always had 2 stellar backs in his stable at any given time. I remember questioning the MJD pick given that Fred was still here (and he's my favorite all time player) but it ended up paying huge dividends. Robinson won't have to shoulder as much of the load and can stay healthier. Last season or the season prior iirc 25 of 32 backfields suffered an injury and missed multiple games, i get that talent can be had later in the draft but that's never a guarantee; for every aaron jones or udfa like james robinson there are 10 Deji Karim's and Ryquell Armsteads.

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Toby Gerhart but the $$'s weren't exorbitant, but paying him any amount of money to fail 4 straight times from the 1 yard line, made me think of him less as the "White Rhino" and more like the "White Blind Mole"

Forgot about gerhart. 

Yes, his signing was disastrous.

Still. adding him to the mix does not justify the statement to which I replied.  The majority of Jaguars high draft expenditures on RB have been worth it.

That said, whether Etienne proves to be worth it remains to be seen.

Oh i agree with your take on early selected runningbacks. Was just mentioning that Gerhart is the only FA signing bust. I'd say the only exception to high drafted Runningbacks was TJ Yeldon, granted the team wasn't very good then so idk if that contributed to him underwhelming.

Speaking of excellent FA signings at RB for the Jags, Chris Ivory; we forget how much he contributed in 2017

i'm taking a wait and see approach with Etiene, this team has been misery incarnate for so long why be miserable until they look miserable on the field. I think that Etiene might be the best all-purpose weapon since MJD, not sure he reaches the same lofty heights but I see similar deployment to MJD's rookie year.

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

so full disclosure, I almost never watch college football, and I don't check out highlights usually until I know the Jaguars are about to draft the guy.
I was checking out the highlights of number nine on Clemson, and frankly he reminded me of Matt Jones. Can run away from people if he has space initially, but not much going for him otherwise. He has long strider speed and I don't think it will translate.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Forgot about gerhart. 

Yes, his signing was disastrous.

Still. adding him to the mix does not justify the statement to which I replied.  The majority of Jaguars high draft expenditures on RB have been worth it.

That said, whether Etienne proves to be worth it remains to be seen.

Oh i agree with your take on early selected runningbacks. Was just mentioning that Gerhart is the only FA signing bust. I'd say the only exception to high drafted Runningbacks was TJ Yeldon, granted the team wasn't very good then so idk if that contributed to him underwhelming.

Speaking of excellent FA signings at RB for the Jags, Chris Ivory; we forget how much he contributed in 2017

i'm taking a wait and see approach with Etiene, this team has been misery incarnate for so long why be miserable until they look miserable on the field. I think that Etiene might be the best all-purpose weapon since MJD, not sure he reaches the same lofty heights but I see similar deployment to MJD's rookie year.

Yeldon and Ivory slipped my mind as well.  Yeesh!

I think Etienne's success will depend upon how the team utilizes him.  He has the ability to be a successful player, but he's got to stay healthy and he has to be utilized properly.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

But.... But.... We could of gotten a good back in the 3rd or 4th round

https://twitter.com/SportSourceA/status/...86017?s=20

So, these numbers don't make any sense to me and I'd like to see where he got them from and the actual breakdown.

First off, there's been 32 RBs selected in the first round from 2005-2020, not 27.  Now, I believe I counted about 23 that made 1000+ rushing yards, but that list includes the following players:  Cedric Benson (not with his original team), Cadillac Williams, Reggie Bush (not original team), Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendenhall, Knowshon Moreno, Beanie Wells, CJ Spiller and Ryan Mathews.  It's a very spotty list of players to say the least.

The rest of the list seems pretty suspect to me as well, especially the numbers in the 3rd and 4th round since 9 total just seems low to me.  What was easy to verify was that his 7th round number is also incorrect.  I only went back to 2014 reg season stats, but both Justin Forsett and Chris Carson are 7th rounders that eclipsed 1000 yards.

Maybe I'm missing something, but this list doesn't add up.

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https://twitter.com/HaysCarlyon/status/1...19457?s=19

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But.... But.... We could of gotten a good back in the 3rd or 4th round

https://twitter.com/SportSourceA/status/...86017?s=20

So, these numbers don't make any sense to me and I'd like to see where he got them from and the actual breakdown.

First off, there's been 32 RBs selected in the first round from 2005-2020, not 27.  Now, I believe I counted about 23 that made 1000+ rushing yards, but that list includes the following players:  Cedric Benson (not with his original team), Cadillac Williams, Reggie Bush (not original team), Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendenhall, Knowshon Moreno, Beanie Wells, CJ Spiller and Ryan Mathews.  It's a very spotty list of players to say the least.

The rest of the list seems pretty suspect to me as well, especially the numbers in the 3rd and 4th round since 9 total just seems low to me.  What was easy to verify was that his 7th round number is also incorrect.  I only went back to 2014 reg season stats, but both Justin Forsett and Chris Carson are 7th rounders that eclipsed 1000 yards.

Maybe I'm missing something, but this list doesn't add up.

I love how he ends with "Steelers (haven't done crap in a while and their RB in their last SB was Mendenhall LOL) and Jaguars (1-15 team who has been the second worse franchise in the last decade) know this"

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

so full disclosure, I almost never watch college football, and I don't check out highlights usually until I know the Jaguars are about to draft the guy.
I was checking out the highlights of number nine on Clemson, and frankly he reminded me of Matt Jones. Can run away from people if he has space initially, but not much going for him otherwise. He has long strider speed and I don't think it will translate.

I don't watch college football, either, but my beef with the pick is about value, not need. Running backs are rarely first round value in 2021. I don't think this guy is going to be Fred Taylor level of ability, so I don't see him as offering good value.

Guys rushing for 1000+ yards doesn't seem to have a strong correlation with their team succeeding, so I'm not sure what the tweet that keeps getting kicked around is being touted for, but if someone has math that says otherwise feel free to present it.

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