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Lawrence Critique (merged)


(01-13-2022, 12:13 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: Lawrence could bust but we have years of ruination to go through first. No one here thinks it can't happen, we just aren't seeing it yet because Urbz ruined everything.

No. Urban was a huge problem, but it was Shad Khan that brought him in, knowing his poor reputation and despite Meyer not having any NFL experience. Khan's bad decisions were the reason everything was ruined this past season.

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(01-12-2022, 05:43 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: The problem TL will face is that he will drink the Kool-Aid of this good game as hard as all of you.  Next year will be a challenge as he continues to play uninspired football (two games being the exception, I expect).  Next year will be a really tough season for the new coach.  My recommendation on the coach is to hire someone with the gravitas to drop TL if need be.  If TL makes it then any coach can keep him, but if TL offers another year next year like he did this year then a coach who can fire him is needed.  And any coach good enough to fire TL will be more than good enough to use him if TL turns a corner.

The problem this board will face is that long-time users will have to endure the defeatism of unseasoned posters looking to sound smarter than they are by posting trolling, mindless bunk. Next year will be just fine for the veteran posters, as they will be able to look past the failings of the previous year's hirings and look forward to the prospect of a promising young quarterback with talent they haven't enjoyed in decades. The in-fighting with the self-congratulating naysayers will be a challenge for the mods. My recommendation is that they enjoy a cold one while the mainstays of this forum attempt to talk sense into those unwilling to get beyond their juvenile taekmongering. If those newcomers begin making worthwhile posts, they will be welcomed, but if they continue to post senseless drivel all retaliation is warranted. Any mod good enough to rid us of trolling will be good enough to let those newbs participate if they choose to turn a corner.


(01-12-2022, 07:21 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: My last 2 cents in this thread because nothing is going to get resolved until next season.

1. A select few see the major flaws in Lawrence.  I'm use to the backlash on this board.  I was insulted when I wanted Gene Smith gone, When I wanted Gus Gone,  When I wanted Dave Caldwell gone, etc.  Some of us like me have insight while the slow few hurl mindless insults.  History repeating itself.

2. It's just ridiculous people are in here beating their Chest over the Colts game.  It was a sub 300 yard 2 td pass game.  It was by far Lawrence's best game but let's not pretend it was  a star performance.  Good for him that he saved his best for last but most of the season was highly lacking.  Bortles would throw for 300+ yards a game even some 400yards a game.  Is Bortles considered a Gunslinger? https://www.footballdb.com/players/blake...sing-games  I said it before,  If we are judging  Lawrence on the 1 game performance against the Colts then that means Baalke is great because he put together the team who whipped the Colts?  My guess is the Colts overlooked us and for some reason do not play well on this field.  If that version of Lawrence was normal we would all be happy.  Judging him on his best performance and forgetting all the bad is a very poor way to see things.
 
3. I or anybody else on this board know for certain how Lawrence will turn out.  If this were a court of Law, there is a lot more evidence supporting my argument than the Lawrence lovers here.

I think some of you are too emotional and it blinds your Judegment WE ALL  want Lawrence to be a star franchise QB.  I really can't see how you can honestly come out of the 2021 season really believing Lawrence is the franchise QB without any doubt.  It's either Blind Loyalty or you are lying to yourself.  Lawrence has some great traits like Leadership, Strong  Arm, Tough, etc.  I could say the same about Blake Bortles.  Lawrence has enough holes in his game IMO to put doubt in my mind if he will be a good QB.  Time will tell

Will continue this in 2022.  I really do hope you Lawrence Lovers are right and he is the next Aaron Rodgers.  We will see.

Seeing as both you have me and half the board blocked and you've essentially said you're not revisiting this thread, it's probably wasted bandwidth, but here goes.

1) You say you got flack for all those calls to get guys gone, but was the flack over your desire to get them gone, or the timing of your call to be rid of them? If the near-immediate response to any draft/hire/signing is "Fire [insert name here]" before they have a chance to prove their merit, then yeah, you're gonna catch heat.

2) I haven't seen anyone 'beating their Chest' over the horseshoe game. It was great to see, and has just as much potential to be the team's future as did the Pats game. I don't know anyone here that is saying all our troubles are gone because R1P1 had a 2/0 TD/INT game. Maybe I glossed over those posts. Is it wrong if fans of the team don't see encouragement that the team (and players individually) performed well in a game that meant everything to the opposition?

3) You're right, none of us know. Some of us look to see the glass half full, and hope to see it fill some more. Others choose to see it half empty and scramble to find any leak they can to deem the situation a lost cause. It's not that there isn't doubt. Every single prospect can fail. Many of them can be successful, too! Some may require some patches in the form of scheme, supporting cast, or training, but it's wise to at least try some of those fixes before you scrap everything and start fresh. The vast majority of the board are in wait and see mode, not some blind rejection that flaws aren't present. Every single QB in the history of this league has had flaws to overcome. Manning wasn't going to scramble for first downs. Brees was short. Favre threw picks trying to make big throws. Not saying TLaw will be anywhere near as good as these guys, but perfection is not the standard, and that's the point of all this. If you expect perfection to deem someone a franchise QB, you'll never find one. Sometimes damn good is good enough to get you where you want to go.

(This post was last modified: 01-13-2022, 01:48 PM by JagsFansince1995.)

(01-13-2022, 11:24 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(01-12-2022, 07:21 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: My last 2 cents in this thread because nothing is going to get resolved until next season.

1. A select few see the major flaws in Lawrence.  I'm use to the backlash on this board.  I was insulted when I wanted Gene Smith gone, When I wanted Gus Gone,  When I wanted Dave Caldwell gone, etc.  Some of us like me have insight while the slow few hurl mindless insults.  History repeating itself.

2. It's just ridiculous people are in here beating their Chest over the Colts game.  It was a sub 300 yard 2 td pass game.  It was by far Lawrence's best game but let's not pretend it was  a star performance.  Good for him that he saved his best for last but most of the season was highly lacking.  Bortles would throw for 300+ yards a game even some 400yards a game.  Is Bortles considered a Gunslinger? https://www.footballdb.com/players/blake...sing-games  I said it before,  If we are judging  Lawrence on the 1 game performance against the Colts then that means Baalke is great because he put together the team who whipped the Colts?  My guess is the Colts overlooked us and for some reason do not play well on this field.  If that version of Lawrence was normal we would all be happy.  Judging him on his best performance and forgetting all the bad is a very poor way to see things.
 
3. I or anybody else on this board know for certain how Lawrence will turn out.  If this were a court of Law, there is a lot more evidence supporting my argument than the Lawrence lovers here.

I think some of you are too emotional and it blinds your Judegment WE ALL  want Lawrence to be a star franchise QB.  I really can't see how you can honestly come out of the 2021 season really believing Lawrence is the franchise QB without any doubt.  It's either Blind Loyalty or you are lying to yourself.  Lawrence has some great traits like Leadership, Strong  Arm, Tough, etc.  I could say the same about Blake Bortles.  Lawrence has enough holes in his game IMO to put doubt in my mind if he will be a good QB.  Time will tell

Will continue this in 2022.  I really do hope you Lawrence Lovers are right and he is the next Aaron Rodgers.  We will see.

Seeing as both you have me and half the board blocked and you've essentially said you're not revisiting this thread, it's probably wasted bandwidth, but here goes.

1) You say you got flack for all those calls to get guys gone, but was the flack over your desire to get them gone, or the timing of your call to be rid of them? If the near-immediate response to any draft/hire/signing is "Fire [insert name here]" before they have a chance to prove their merit, then yeah, you're gonna catch heat.

2) I haven't seen anyone 'beating their Chest' over the horseshoe game. It was great to see, and has just as much potential to be the team's future as did the Pats game. I don't know anyone here that is saying all our troubles are gone because R1P1 had a 2/0 TD/INT game. Maybe I glossed over those posts. Is it wrong if fans of the team don't see encouragement that the team (and players individually) performed well in a game that meant everything to the opposition?

3) You're right, none of us know. Some of us look to see the glass half full, and hope to see it fill some more. Others choose to see it half empty and scramble to find any leak they can to deem the situation a lost cause. It's not that there isn't doubt. Every single prospect can fail. Many of them can be successful, too! Some may require some patches in the form of scheme, supporting cast, or training, but it's wise to at least try some of those fixes before you scrap everything and start fresh. The vast majority of the board are in wait and see mode, not some blind rejection that flaws aren't present. Every single QB in the history of this league has had flaws to overcome. Manning wasn't going to scramble for first downs. Brees was short. Favre threw picks trying to make big throws. Not saying TLaw will be anywhere near as good as these guys, but perfection is not the standard, and that's the point of all this. If you expect perfection to deem someone a franchise QB, you'll never find one. Sometimes damn good is good enough to get you where you want to go.
Go have a cold one please. Youre talking calculus with pre algebra students. Ill watch out for the foster kids if they come by the thread talking bs again

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(01-13-2022, 12:20 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(01-13-2022, 12:13 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: Lawrence could bust but we have years of ruination to go through first. No one here thinks it can't happen, we just aren't seeing it yet because Urbz ruined everything.

No. Urban was a huge problem, but it was Shad Khan that brought him in, knowing his poor reputation and despite Meyer not having any NFL experience. Khan's bad decisions were the reason everything was ruined this past season.

Starts with ownership for sure. The resources committed to lame duck general managers are also a problem with him. Caldwell did good acquiring picks but he was poor on leveraging the picks and a disaster at retaining talent. So of course Khan let him pick when it was clear he needed to go.

I appreciate patience but not stubborn blindness. I like other posters drawing on imagery of Baalke hissing in Khan's ear. Such a vipers den.
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(01-13-2022, 01:48 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote:
(01-13-2022, 11:24 AM)Mikey Wrote: Seeing as both you have me and half the board blocked and you've essentially said you're not revisiting this thread, it's probably wasted bandwidth, but here goes.

1) You say you got flack for all those calls to get guys gone, but was the flack over your desire to get them gone, or the timing of your call to be rid of them? If the near-immediate response to any draft/hire/signing is "Fire [insert name here]" before they have a chance to prove their merit, then yeah, you're gonna catch heat.

2) I haven't seen anyone 'beating their Chest' over the horseshoe game. It was great to see, and has just as much potential to be the team's future as did the Pats game. I don't know anyone here that is saying all our troubles are gone because R1P1 had a 2/0 TD/INT game. Maybe I glossed over those posts. Is it wrong if fans of the team don't see encouragement that the team (and players individually) performed well in a game that meant everything to the opposition?

3) You're right, none of us know. Some of us look to see the glass half full, and hope to see it fill some more. Others choose to see it half empty and scramble to find any leak they can to deem the situation a lost cause. It's not that there isn't doubt. Every single prospect can fail. Many of them can be successful, too! Some may require some patches in the form of scheme, supporting cast, or training, but it's wise to at least try some of those fixes before you scrap everything and start fresh. The vast majority of the board are in wait and see mode, not some blind rejection that flaws aren't present. Every single QB in the history of this league has had flaws to overcome. Manning wasn't going to scramble for first downs. Brees was short. Favre threw picks trying to make big throws. Not saying TLaw will be anywhere near as good as these guys, but perfection is not the standard, and that's the point of all this. If you expect perfection to deem someone a franchise QB, you'll never find one. Sometimes damn good is good enough to get you where you want to go.
Go have a cold one please.  Youre talking calculus with pre algebra students.  Ill watch out for the foster kids if they come by the thread talking bs again

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Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them.

The addition of Dan Arnold helped us out at TE, and I think we are in a position to take a step this fall. Our defense is vastly improved, and with a few more pieces will it be competitive. Looking at the Bengals turnaround this season gives me hope; From hopeless to playoff in a year. Of course, we are the Jags, so I expect Khan to mess up the front office and coaching positions, but I try to remain hopeful. Give Trevor a WR1 and a respectable O-Line along with an improved DB corps, and things TL will surely improve.

(This post was last modified: 01-13-2022, 07:49 PM by Jag88. Edited 2 times in total.)

(01-13-2022, 07:37 PM)Norseman Wrote: Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them.

The addition of Dan Arnold helped us out at TE, and I think we are in a position to take a step this fall. Our defense is vastly improved, and with a few more pieces will it be competitive. Looking at the Bengals turnaround this season gives me hope; From hopeless to playoff in a year. Of course, we are the Jags, so I expect Khan to mess up the front office and coaching positions, but I try to remain hopeful. Give Trevor a WR1 and a respectable O-Line along with an improved DB corps, and things TL will surely improve.

I agree with some of the things you mentioned, but I have to strongly disagree with your opinion on etienne. Robinson is super nice but he has no homerun ability. This offense strongly needs a big play maker. All the top teams have this. You need a "cheat code" on your offense to blow up the defense. The defenses has 0 respect for this slow jags offense. As far Arnold, I like him a lot. The problem is he needs to stay healthy. With additions of 2 really explosive wide receivers this off season, (hopefully) he should be even more of a weapon. I don't think I seen a bust play as well as tlaw has played in any game; therefore another reason I dont think hes a bust. It's super ridiculous for some to say that this early, and let's knock on wood.

(This post was last modified: 01-13-2022, 08:02 PM by Norseman.)

(01-13-2022, 07:43 PM)Jag88 Wrote:
(01-13-2022, 07:37 PM)Norseman Wrote: Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them.

The addition of Dan Arnold helped us out at TE, and I think we are in a position to take a step this fall. Our defense is vastly improved, and with a few more pieces will it be competitive. Looking at the Bengals turnaround this season gives me hope; From hopeless to playoff in a year. Of course, we are the Jags, so I expect Khan to mess up the front office and coaching positions, but I try to remain hopeful. Give Trevor a WR1 and a respectable O-Line along with an improved DB corps, and things TL will surely improve.

I agree with some of the things you mentioned, but I have to strongly disagree with your opinion on etienne. Robinson is super nice but he has no homerun ability. This offense strongly needs a big play maker. All the top teams have this. You need a "cheat code" on your offense to blow up the defense. The defenses has 0 respect for this slow jags offense. As far Arnold, I like him a lot. The problem is he needs to stay healthy. With additions of 2 really explosive wide receivers this off season, (hopefully) he should be even more of a weapon. I don't think I seen a bust play as well as tlaw has played in any game; therefore another reason I dont think hes a bust. It's super ridiculous for some to say that this early, and let's knock on wood.

My issue is not with the player Etienne whom hopefully will be good when he comes back, but rather that the team drafted him rather than addressing the many needs this team had. Had our roster been solid, I would have applauded the selection, but the roster had more holes than a swiss cheese.

(01-13-2022, 07:43 PM)Jag88 Wrote:
(01-13-2022, 07:37 PM)Norseman Wrote: Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them.

The addition of Dan Arnold helped us out at TE, and I think we are in a position to take a step this fall. Our defense is vastly improved, and with a few more pieces will it be competitive. Looking at the Bengals turnaround this season gives me hope; From hopeless to playoff in a year. Of course, we are the Jags, so I expect Khan to mess up the front office and coaching positions, but I try to remain hopeful. Give Trevor a WR1 and a respectable O-Line along with an improved DB corps, and things TL will surely improve.

I agree with some of the things you mentioned, but I have to strongly disagree with your opinion on etienne. Robinson is super nice but he has no homerun ability. This offense strongly needs a big play maker. All the top teams have this. You need a "cheat code" on your offense to blow up the defense. The defenses has 0 respect for this slow jags offense. As far Arnold, I like him a lot. The problem is he needs to stay healthy. With additions of 2 really explosive wide receivers this off season, (hopefully) he should be even more of a weapon. I don't think I seen a bust play as well as tlaw has played in any game; therefore another reason I dont think hes a bust. It's super ridiculous for some to say that this early, and let's knock on wood.

My issue is not with the player Etienne whom hopefully will be good when he comes back, but rather that the team drafted him rather than addressing the many needs this team had. Had our roster been solid, I would have applauded the selection, but the roster had more holes than a swiss cheese.

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(01-13-2022, 07:43 PM)Jag88 Wrote:
(01-13-2022, 07:37 PM)Norseman Wrote: Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them.

The addition of Dan Arnold helped us out at TE, and I think we are in a position to take a step this fall. Our defense is vastly improved, and with a few more pieces will it be competitive. Looking at the Bengals turnaround this season gives me hope; From hopeless to playoff in a year. Of course, we are the Jags, so I expect Khan to mess up the front office and coaching positions, but I try to remain hopeful. Give Trevor a WR1 and a respectable O-Line along with an improved DB corps, and things TL will surely improve.

I agree with some of the things you mentioned, but I have to strongly disagree with your opinion on etienne. Robinson is super nice but he has no homerun ability. This offense strongly needs a big play maker. All the top teams have this. You need a "cheat code" on your offense to blow up the defense. The defenses has 0 respect for this slow jags offense. As far Arnold, I like him a lot. The problem is he needs to stay healthy. With additions of 2 really explosive wide receivers this off season, (hopefully) he should be even more of a weapon. I don't think I seen a bust play as well as tlaw has played in any game; therefore another reason I dont think hes a bust. It's super ridiculous for some to say that this early, and let's knock on wood.
Arnold isn’t reliable though. He also drops way too many passes.

He’s fine for now but I’m still looking to upgrade.


(01-13-2022, 08:02 PM)Norseman Wrote:
(01-13-2022, 07:43 PM)Jag88 Wrote: I agree with some of the things you mentioned, but I have to strongly disagree with your opinion on etienne. Robinson is super nice but he has no homerun ability. This offense strongly needs a big play maker. All the top teams have this. You need a "cheat code" on your offense to blow up the defense. The defenses has 0 respect for this slow jags offense. As far Arnold, I like him a lot. The problem is he needs to stay healthy. With additions of 2 really explosive wide receivers this off season, (hopefully) he should be even more of a weapon. I don't think I seen a bust play as well as tlaw has played in any game; therefore another reason I dont think hes a bust. It's super ridiculous for some to say that this early, and let's knock on wood.

My issue is not with the player Etienne whom hopefully will be good when he comes back, but rather that the team drafted him rather than addressing the many needs this team had. Had our roster been solid, I would have applauded the selection, but the roster had more holes than a swiss cheese.

(01-13-2022, 07:43 PM)Jag88 Wrote: I agree with some of the things you mentioned, but I have to strongly disagree with your opinion on etienne. Robinson is super nice but he has no homerun ability. This offense strongly needs a big play maker. All the top teams have this. You need a "cheat code" on your offense to blow up the defense. The defenses has 0 respect for this slow jags offense. As far Arnold, I like him a lot. The problem is he needs to stay healthy. With additions of 2 really explosive wide receivers this off season, (hopefully) he should be even more of a weapon. I don't think I seen a bust play as well as tlaw has played in any game; therefore another reason I dont think hes a bust. It's super ridiculous for some to say that this early, and let's knock on wood.

My issue is not with the player Etienne whom hopefully will be good when he comes back, but rather that the team drafted him rather than addressing the many needs this team had. Had our roster been solid, I would have applauded the selection, but the roster had more holes than a swiss cheese.

Time will tell, but I can understand this perspective . I would have rather have a stud guard than a RB on paper, but they play the games for a reason. If etienne is a game breaker, no one will be worried about his draft position.


(01-13-2022, 07:37 PM)Norseman Wrote: Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them.

The addition of Dan Arnold helped us out at TE, and I think we are in a position to take a step this fall. Our defense is vastly improved, and with a few more pieces will it be competitive. Looking at the Bengals turnaround this season gives me hope; From hopeless to playoff in a year. Of course, we are the Jags, so I expect Khan to mess up the front office and coaching positions, but I try to remain hopeful. Give Trevor a WR1 and a respectable O-Line along with an improved DB corps, and things TL will surely improve.

you get it. Hope is all we got at this stage.


(01-13-2022, 08:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(01-13-2022, 07:43 PM)Jag88 Wrote: I agree with some of the things you mentioned, but I have to strongly disagree with your opinion on etienne. Robinson is super nice but he has no homerun ability. This offense strongly needs a big play maker. All the top teams have this. You need a "cheat code" on your offense to blow up the defense. The defenses has 0 respect for this slow jags offense. As far Arnold, I like him a lot. The problem is he needs to stay healthy. With additions of 2 really explosive wide receivers this off season, (hopefully) he should be even more of a weapon. I don't think I seen a bust play as well as tlaw has played in any game; therefore another reason I dont think hes a bust. It's super ridiculous for some to say that this early, and let's knock on wood.
Arnold isn’t reliable though. He also drops way too many passes.

He’s fine for now but I’m still looking to upgrade.

At least he can be a mismatch against slower linebackers and smaller DBs in the passing game that I honestly can barely remember us having...  ever.   Too bad he can't block worth a dam.  And yeah, he drops too many passes.

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Lawrence was interviewed by Darien Rencher who played with him at Clemson(and via his gf is part of the social circle).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cGiU4_CqAc&t=1s


Very cool interview thanks for sharing

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I really didn't want to wade back into the cesspool this thread had become, but this stat is too good. Trevor already among the best in the league at avoiding pressures/pocket manipulation/getting rid of the ball timely/whatever traits you want to think leads to being really good at this stat. Awesome sign.

(It could also mean he got lucky and will regress to the mean but I don't want to think like that at the moment.)

https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/14...0195971077


(01-14-2022, 03:12 PM)Upper Wrote: I really didn't want to wade back into the cesspool this thread had become, but this stat is too good. Trevor already among the best in the league at avoiding pressures/pocket manipulation/getting rid of the ball timely/whatever traits you want to think leads to being really good at this stat. Awesome sign.

(It could also mean he got lucky and will regress to the mean but I don't want to think like that at the moment.)

https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/14...0195971077

I thought he moved pretty well in pocket. I don't think he got enough credit for it

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(01-14-2022, 03:27 PM)Doc Holliday904 Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 03:12 PM)Upper Wrote: I really didn't want to wade back into the cesspool this thread had become, but this stat is too good. Trevor already among the best in the league at avoiding pressures/pocket manipulation/getting rid of the ball timely/whatever traits you want to think leads to being really good at this stat. Awesome sign.

(It could also mean he got lucky and will regress to the mean but I don't want to think like that at the moment.)

https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/14...0195971077

I thought he moved pretty well in pocket. I don't think he got enough credit for it

Agreed. I also don't think the offensive line as an overall unit looked too bad as well. They had a few hiccups here and there but overall I think they held up relatively well. They might have to sort out Linder and Norwell. Create a healthy competition between Robinson, Little and Taylor, etc.

However. This team really does need to bolster the skill positions. They certainly need to create and stick to an identity this season whether it's a ground focus game or passing focus game, they just need to stick to it. 

Getting quicker and cleaner at WR. Getting healthier and faster at RB. Getting more technique and discipline at the OT/OG positions should noticeably increase the productivity on offense with a good off season between free agency and the draft. 

Just wish they would get this damn coaching hire in place already and figure out what's going to happen with Baalke. Time's a tickin!
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(01-14-2022, 03:27 PM)Doc Holliday904 Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 03:12 PM)Upper Wrote: I really didn't want to wade back into the cesspool this thread had become, but this stat is too good. Trevor already among the best in the league at avoiding pressures/pocket manipulation/getting rid of the ball timely/whatever traits you want to think leads to being really good at this stat. Awesome sign.

(It could also mean he got lucky and will regress to the mean but I don't want to think like that at the moment.)

https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/14...0195971077

I thought he moved pretty well in pocket. I don't think he got enough credit for it

I said pretty early in the season (not here obviously) that the offensive line's high ranking had more to do with Trevor than the line itself.  Even in the Colts game, there were a lot of times the line broke down and Trevor had to get rid of the ball quickly.


(01-14-2022, 03:12 PM)Upper Wrote: I really didn't want to wade back into the cesspool this thread had become, but this stat is too good. Trevor already among the best in the league at avoiding pressures/pocket manipulation/getting rid of the ball timely/whatever traits you want to think leads to being really good at this stat. Awesome sign.

(It could also mean he got lucky and will regress to the mean but I don't want to think like that at the moment.)

https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/14...0195971077

Noted future first-ballot hall-of-famers who lack the sack-avoidance skills of TL includes Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and Big Ben.  In fact, 78% of the playoff-bound teams have QB's that take sacks at a greater rate than TL.  It's almost as if taking a sack is yet one more important decision a QB needs to make.

1. Buffalo, third seed
2. KC, second
3. LAC, miss
4. Philly, seventh
5. Vikes, miss
5. Jags, miss
7. Dallas, third
8. Giants, miss
9. Colts, miss
10. Miami, miss
11. Bucs, second
12. Broncs, miss
13. Cards, fifth
14. Raiders, fifth
15. Atlanta, miss
16. Seattle, miss
17. Rams, fourth
18. Pats, sixth
19. Cheese eaters, first
20. Carolina, miss
21. Detroit, miss
22. Washington Football Team, miss
23. Baltimore, miss
24. Houstons, miss
25. SFO, sixth
26. Titans, first
27. Steelers, seventh
28. Chicago, miss
29. Bengals, fourth
30. Jets, miss
31. Browns, miss




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