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Lawrence Critique (merged)
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(01-13-2022, 12:13 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: Lawrence could bust but we have years of ruination to go through first. No one here thinks it can't happen, we just aren't seeing it yet because Urbz ruined everything. No. Urban was a huge problem, but it was Shad Khan that brought him in, knowing his poor reputation and despite Meyer not having any NFL experience. Khan's bad decisions were the reason everything was ruined this past season. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (01-12-2022, 05:43 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: The problem TL will face is that he will drink the Kool-Aid of this good game as hard as all of you. Next year will be a challenge as he continues to play uninspired football (two games being the exception, I expect). Next year will be a really tough season for the new coach. My recommendation on the coach is to hire someone with the gravitas to drop TL if need be. If TL makes it then any coach can keep him, but if TL offers another year next year like he did this year then a coach who can fire him is needed. And any coach good enough to fire TL will be more than good enough to use him if TL turns a corner. The problem this board will face is that long-time users will have to endure the defeatism of unseasoned posters looking to sound smarter than they are by posting trolling, mindless bunk. Next year will be just fine for the veteran posters, as they will be able to look past the failings of the previous year's hirings and look forward to the prospect of a promising young quarterback with talent they haven't enjoyed in decades. The in-fighting with the self-congratulating naysayers will be a challenge for the mods. My recommendation is that they enjoy a cold one while the mainstays of this forum attempt to talk sense into those unwilling to get beyond their juvenile taekmongering. If those newcomers begin making worthwhile posts, they will be welcomed, but if they continue to post senseless drivel all retaliation is warranted. Any mod good enough to rid us of trolling will be good enough to let those newbs participate if they choose to turn a corner. (01-12-2022, 07:21 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: My last 2 cents in this thread because nothing is going to get resolved until next season. Seeing as both you have me and half the board blocked and you've essentially said you're not revisiting this thread, it's probably wasted bandwidth, but here goes. 1) You say you got flack for all those calls to get guys gone, but was the flack over your desire to get them gone, or the timing of your call to be rid of them? If the near-immediate response to any draft/hire/signing is "Fire [insert name here]" before they have a chance to prove their merit, then yeah, you're gonna catch heat. 2) I haven't seen anyone 'beating their Chest' over the horseshoe game. It was great to see, and has just as much potential to be the team's future as did the Pats game. I don't know anyone here that is saying all our troubles are gone because R1P1 had a 2/0 TD/INT game. Maybe I glossed over those posts. Is it wrong if fans of the team don't see encouragement that the team (and players individually) performed well in a game that meant everything to the opposition? 3) You're right, none of us know. Some of us look to see the glass half full, and hope to see it fill some more. Others choose to see it half empty and scramble to find any leak they can to deem the situation a lost cause. It's not that there isn't doubt. Every single prospect can fail. Many of them can be successful, too! Some may require some patches in the form of scheme, supporting cast, or training, but it's wise to at least try some of those fixes before you scrap everything and start fresh. The vast majority of the board are in wait and see mode, not some blind rejection that flaws aren't present. Every single QB in the history of this league has had flaws to overcome. Manning wasn't going to scramble for first downs. Brees was short. Favre threw picks trying to make big throws. Not saying TLaw will be anywhere near as good as these guys, but perfection is not the standard, and that's the point of all this. If you expect perfection to deem someone a franchise QB, you'll never find one. Sometimes damn good is good enough to get you where you want to go.
01-13-2022, 01:48 PM
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(01-13-2022, 11:24 AM)Mikey Wrote:Go have a cold one please. Youre talking calculus with pre algebra students. Ill watch out for the foster kids if they come by the thread talking bs again(01-12-2022, 07:21 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: My last 2 cents in this thread because nothing is going to get resolved until next season. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk
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2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough. TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter. (01-13-2022, 12:20 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(01-13-2022, 12:13 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: Lawrence could bust but we have years of ruination to go through first. No one here thinks it can't happen, we just aren't seeing it yet because Urbz ruined everything. Starts with ownership for sure. The resources committed to lame duck general managers are also a problem with him. Caldwell did good acquiring picks but he was poor on leveraging the picks and a disaster at retaining talent. So of course Khan let him pick when it was clear he needed to go. I appreciate patience but not stubborn blindness. I like other posters drawing on imagery of Baalke hissing in Khan's ear. Such a vipers den.
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Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them.
The addition of Dan Arnold helped us out at TE, and I think we are in a position to take a step this fall. Our defense is vastly improved, and with a few more pieces will it be competitive. Looking at the Bengals turnaround this season gives me hope; From hopeless to playoff in a year. Of course, we are the Jags, so I expect Khan to mess up the front office and coaching positions, but I try to remain hopeful. Give Trevor a WR1 and a respectable O-Line along with an improved DB corps, and things TL will surely improve.
01-13-2022, 07:43 PM
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(01-13-2022, 07:37 PM)Norseman Wrote: Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them. I agree with some of the things you mentioned, but I have to strongly disagree with your opinion on etienne. Robinson is super nice but he has no homerun ability. This offense strongly needs a big play maker. All the top teams have this. You need a "cheat code" on your offense to blow up the defense. The defenses has 0 respect for this slow jags offense. As far Arnold, I like him a lot. The problem is he needs to stay healthy. With additions of 2 really explosive wide receivers this off season, (hopefully) he should be even more of a weapon. I don't think I seen a bust play as well as tlaw has played in any game; therefore another reason I dont think hes a bust. It's super ridiculous for some to say that this early, and let's knock on wood. (01-13-2022, 07:43 PM)Jag88 Wrote:(01-13-2022, 07:37 PM)Norseman Wrote: Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them. My issue is not with the player Etienne whom hopefully will be good when he comes back, but rather that the team drafted him rather than addressing the many needs this team had. Had our roster been solid, I would have applauded the selection, but the roster had more holes than a swiss cheese. (01-13-2022, 07:43 PM)Jag88 Wrote:(01-13-2022, 07:37 PM)Norseman Wrote: Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them. My issue is not with the player Etienne whom hopefully will be good when he comes back, but rather that the team drafted him rather than addressing the many needs this team had. Had our roster been solid, I would have applauded the selection, but the roster had more holes than a swiss cheese. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (01-13-2022, 07:43 PM)Jag88 Wrote:Arnold isn’t reliable though. He also drops way too many passes.(01-13-2022, 07:37 PM)Norseman Wrote: Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them. He’s fine for now but I’m still looking to upgrade. (01-13-2022, 08:02 PM)Norseman Wrote:(01-13-2022, 07:43 PM)Jag88 Wrote: I agree with some of the things you mentioned, but I have to strongly disagree with your opinion on etienne. Robinson is super nice but he has no homerun ability. This offense strongly needs a big play maker. All the top teams have this. You need a "cheat code" on your offense to blow up the defense. The defenses has 0 respect for this slow jags offense. As far Arnold, I like him a lot. The problem is he needs to stay healthy. With additions of 2 really explosive wide receivers this off season, (hopefully) he should be even more of a weapon. I don't think I seen a bust play as well as tlaw has played in any game; therefore another reason I dont think hes a bust. It's super ridiculous for some to say that this early, and let's knock on wood. Time will tell, but I can understand this perspective . I would have rather have a stud guard than a RB on paper, but they play the games for a reason. If etienne is a game breaker, no one will be worried about his draft position. (01-13-2022, 07:37 PM)Norseman Wrote: Trevor will be our starting QB for at least the next two seasons, almost regardless of performance. Truth be told, I did not expect wonders from him this season aside from adjusting to the NFL game. The franchise did him no favours by hiring Mayer, drafting Etienne and ignoring the O-Line in the off-season. No offense to Etienne, but this team had many needs and RB was not one of them. you get it. Hope is all we got at this stage. (01-13-2022, 08:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(01-13-2022, 07:43 PM)Jag88 Wrote: I agree with some of the things you mentioned, but I have to strongly disagree with your opinion on etienne. Robinson is super nice but he has no homerun ability. This offense strongly needs a big play maker. All the top teams have this. You need a "cheat code" on your offense to blow up the defense. The defenses has 0 respect for this slow jags offense. As far Arnold, I like him a lot. The problem is he needs to stay healthy. With additions of 2 really explosive wide receivers this off season, (hopefully) he should be even more of a weapon. I don't think I seen a bust play as well as tlaw has played in any game; therefore another reason I dont think hes a bust. It's super ridiculous for some to say that this early, and let's knock on wood.Arnold isn’t reliable though. He also drops way too many passes. At least he can be a mismatch against slower linebackers and smaller DBs in the passing game that I honestly can barely remember us having... ever. Too bad he can't block worth a dam. And yeah, he drops too many passes. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Lawrence was interviewed by Darien Rencher who played with him at Clemson(and via his gf is part of the social circle).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cGiU4_CqAc&t=1s
01-14-2022, 03:12 PM
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I really didn't want to wade back into the cesspool this thread had become, but this stat is too good. Trevor already among the best in the league at avoiding pressures/pocket manipulation/getting rid of the ball timely/whatever traits you want to think leads to being really good at this stat. Awesome sign.
(It could also mean he got lucky and will regress to the mean but I don't want to think like that at the moment.) https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/14...0195971077
(01-14-2022, 03:12 PM)Upper Wrote: I really didn't want to wade back into the cesspool this thread had become, but this stat is too good. Trevor already among the best in the league at avoiding pressures/pocket manipulation/getting rid of the ball timely/whatever traits you want to think leads to being really good at this stat. Awesome sign. I thought he moved pretty well in pocket. I don't think he got enough credit for it We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
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(01-14-2022, 03:27 PM)Doc Holliday904 Wrote:(01-14-2022, 03:12 PM)Upper Wrote: I really didn't want to wade back into the cesspool this thread had become, but this stat is too good. Trevor already among the best in the league at avoiding pressures/pocket manipulation/getting rid of the ball timely/whatever traits you want to think leads to being really good at this stat. Awesome sign. Agreed. I also don't think the offensive line as an overall unit looked too bad as well. They had a few hiccups here and there but overall I think they held up relatively well. They might have to sort out Linder and Norwell. Create a healthy competition between Robinson, Little and Taylor, etc. However. This team really does need to bolster the skill positions. They certainly need to create and stick to an identity this season whether it's a ground focus game or passing focus game, they just need to stick to it. Getting quicker and cleaner at WR. Getting healthier and faster at RB. Getting more technique and discipline at the OT/OG positions should noticeably increase the productivity on offense with a good off season between free agency and the draft. Just wish they would get this damn coaching hire in place already and figure out what's going to happen with Baalke. Time's a tickin! ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
(01-14-2022, 03:27 PM)Doc Holliday904 Wrote:(01-14-2022, 03:12 PM)Upper Wrote: I really didn't want to wade back into the cesspool this thread had become, but this stat is too good. Trevor already among the best in the league at avoiding pressures/pocket manipulation/getting rid of the ball timely/whatever traits you want to think leads to being really good at this stat. Awesome sign. I said pretty early in the season (not here obviously) that the offensive line's high ranking had more to do with Trevor than the line itself. Even in the Colts game, there were a lot of times the line broke down and Trevor had to get rid of the ball quickly. (01-14-2022, 03:12 PM)Upper Wrote: I really didn't want to wade back into the cesspool this thread had become, but this stat is too good. Trevor already among the best in the league at avoiding pressures/pocket manipulation/getting rid of the ball timely/whatever traits you want to think leads to being really good at this stat. Awesome sign. Noted future first-ballot hall-of-famers who lack the sack-avoidance skills of TL includes Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and Big Ben. In fact, 78% of the playoff-bound teams have QB's that take sacks at a greater rate than TL. It's almost as if taking a sack is yet one more important decision a QB needs to make. 1. Buffalo, third seed 2. KC, second 3. LAC, miss 4. Philly, seventh 5. Vikes, miss 5. Jags, miss 7. Dallas, third 8. Giants, miss 9. Colts, miss 10. Miami, miss 11. Bucs, second 12. Broncs, miss 13. Cards, fifth 14. Raiders, fifth 15. Atlanta, miss 16. Seattle, miss 17. Rams, fourth 18. Pats, sixth 19. Cheese eaters, first 20. Carolina, miss 21. Detroit, miss 22. Washington Football Team, miss 23. Baltimore, miss 24. Houstons, miss 25. SFO, sixth 26. Titans, first 27. Steelers, seventh 28. Chicago, miss 29. Bengals, fourth 30. Jets, miss 31. Browns, miss |
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