Create Account



The Jungle is self-supported by showing advertisements via Google Adsense.
Please consider disabling your advertisement-blocking plugin on the Jungle to help support the site and let us grow!
We also show significantly less advertisements to registered users, so create your account to benefit from this!
Questions or concerns about this ad? Take a screenshot and comment in the thread. We do value your feedback.
2023 Offseason Roster Moves


(03-18-2023, 06:46 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(03-18-2023, 06:08 PM)Protozoa Wrote: And Ridley, the players being in year 2 of the system.

Ayep, it appears that way. We had 20 free agents and with the signing of Tre and Gotsis we have secured the services (if needed) of 12 of them. This leaves: (Not counting Griffin)

Jones Jr
Smoot (probably too soon in recovery to tell)
Manhertz
Arnold
Peters
Henderson

We lost Taylor and Key. So by my count 5 big contributors to the 2022 team. Between last year's rookies stepping up and our 9 draft picks I can see it being reasonable to find the replacement for that productivity. (if not an increase) This is why I was skeptical of the Jags investing much of the cap in free agency this year.

My understanding is that MJJ is moving to San Diego, and wants to sign with a team closer to home. Peters I believe had retired, and Henderson is unlikely to be resigned based on his performance last year. That leaves only Arnold and Smoot. I would like to see both back, be neither seems to be vital to success. Considering Smoot’s injury, I wonder if there is a way to bring him back to rehab his injury without hurting the salary cap. Arnold could be a casualty, especially if we draft a TE.
Reply

We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!



Re-signing Tre Herndon may have something to do with the news today that Essang Bassey is re-signing with the Broncos. We were rumored to be in the running to sign Bassey. Jags might have found out Bassey is off the table, so they re-signed Herndon. Both Bassey and Herndon are backup-quality CBs.
Reply

(This post was last modified: 03-19-2023, 03:41 PM by Jag88. Edited 1 time in total.)

Arnold is a good player. I trust him. If they can get him back, they should.
Reply

(This post was last modified: 03-19-2023, 04:20 PM by ChrisJagBoy. Edited 1 time in total.)

(03-18-2023, 11:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(03-18-2023, 10:59 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: 10:05. THE FACT THAT I LOOKED UP THE VIDEO OF TRES FIRST START OUTSIDE THIS PAST SEASON AFTER SHAQ WENT DOWN AND FOUND HIS FIRST GAME LOSING CHUNK PLAY GIVEN UP JUST MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE THE DUMB [BLEEP] YOU ARE. Like I said, not gonna go through the entire seasons footage just to prove myself, but just for an example of what  I mean, his very first start after Griffin went down he proceeded to give up the big easy play to allow the opposing team to come back and take the lead.

THERE ARE 10-15 PLAYS YOU CAN FIND THROUGHOUT THE SEASON OF HIM GETTING TOASTED ON A GO ROUTE which get swept under the rug a bit, because not ALL of them were the chunk plays that lead to the loss, but he does it in the 4th quarter like it's his job. 

And nothing I said is being an idiot about Williams, I am the original poster that lobbied for him to play outside because Shaq/Tre are liabilities, and he's not nearly on their level of suck.
Everything I said made perfect sense, you're just an ignorant clown who lacks any intelligent thought when it comes to football.


LOL
OK

I think you've changed the point and moved the goalposts three times already, but have fun with that. 
I'm not gonna sit here and argue about whether a backup DB gave up passes or not.
(Hint: we all [BLEEP] knew that already, you moron)

Good luck claiming you were the "original" poster on where Williams should play, I remember several regulars posting doubts about his slot play the day he was signed and you were not one of them. 

If you think it's time to take some victory lap on this herpherndonsuckderp narrative, go for it pal. 
The only debate on the guy is if he sucks bad enough to get a measly one year deal - or if he sucks bad enough to be allowed to walk entirely.  I don't see much meat to chew on there. 

BTW - you claimed repeatedly that he lost us 3 games. Which games, [BLEEP]? Third time I've asked with no answer.

Well it's funny you should mention this sir, because you are right, I wasn't suggesting he play outside because of my "Doubts" of his ability to play in the slot. My suggestion was to move him outside because Griffin was playing like crap weeks 1-2 and Williams was actually a GOOD outside corner last season with the Rams. 

I did not hop on the train of saying his sucked in the slot, that wasn't me you're right. What I said was in week 1-2 and had nothing to do with his slot coverage ability, but the lack of ability shown by Griffin at that point in the season.


Here is something from November.. involving you


(11-02-2022, 12:46 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:
(11-02-2022, 12:40 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: So you are blaming the offensive coordinator of the opposing team. 

Interesting. 

If your #2 CB can't play man coverage - you're gonna pay for it. There is no masking that for an entire football game. 
Good OC's will find a way to get him manned up and exploit it.

I'd be more inclined to have Darius Williams in that spot personally, or at the very least have some safety help.

(11-02-2022, 12:53 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Looking back at the play Herndon got torched on the sideline at the end of the Broncos game, It would appear that either Cisco was either in the wrong spot, or we intended to have Tre outside 1 on 1. Either way, he isn't a good enough DB to trust like that I think most of us would agree.

Sorry for the potato quality.

[Image: aa16f8a5ac76adee86a6d9d4d4cb0bf7.png]

(11-02-2022, 12:58 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(11-02-2022, 12:46 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: I'd be more inclined to have Darius Williams in that spot personally, or at the very least have some safety help.

Then they'll just create the same mismatch on the nickel-back.

It's chess, and we have too many pawns, not enough heavy/royal pieces on the board in our back seven. 


Oluokun is playing through injury- not himself, Lloyd is great but he's a rookie learning NFL coverage, Herndon is a decent backup at best covering for a bad starter on IR, Williams may or may not play better outside, but they JUST got him acclimated to the slot. 
Jenkins is a roller coaster of good and bad, but hurts the team at crucial moments sometimes. Cisco is coming along nicely and Campbell is a stud. 

That's not the make up of a good coverage unit. It's one that good coordinators will pick on. If Griffin played up to his contract this would be easier to mitigate. He can't and we don't have the depth to overcome it.

?
Reply


(03-17-2023, 09:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(03-17-2023, 08:50 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Tre Herndons deep balls allowed in 4th quarters that we had the lead in may have spcifically cost us like 3 wins this past season, only way i'm good with him as depth is if theres a backup infront of him and he's a last resort.

Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. 
Blame the coaches for not kicking Williams outside as soon as Griffin imploded, not the backup nickel they unwisely played outside. 

The funny part of your post is that Herndon played 9 games. 
SEVEN WINS - TWO LOSSES  - but you're blaming him for three?
OK

He had four bad games statistically out of the nine and only two of them were losses. 
 One was a blowout win for the Jags. None of them have the look of something you could pin on Herndon but the giants game, and it sure seems the defense's inability to stop Barkley and Daniel Jones on the ground played a larger role in the loss than Herndon did. 

 If you want to pin that on the 5th DB on the roster, go for it. If Griffin hadn't sucked so bad and the staff hadn't played Williams out of position, Herndon would never have been in that spot, but go ahead. 

In my mind, I just hope we bring in enough cheap competition in July that Herndon gets beat out for a spot on the 53.

(03-17-2023, 10:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:
(03-17-2023, 09:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. 
...

Excuse me lord stat keeper, sometimes I do get Herndon and Griffin mixed up, but both of them were responsible for some attrocious late game scores by the opposing team. Whether it was 2 or 3, I don't know and i'm not gonna bother myself to look through it now. But during the season all we heard was "DERRR IF OUR DEFENSE DIDNT BLOW A LAST MIN TD WE WOULDA WON!!" from you and others.. and most of the time it was off a long pass on the sideline against either Griffin or Herndon. 

Point is, theres a reason our D was dramatically improved when the front office finally did what most of us wanted them to do from the start and moved that bum inside and allowed Williams to play outside. Theres A LOT of fans who think Williams is a top tier outside CB on this forum and it's laughable, he's really NOT.. he's just so much better than the two bums he proceeded to replace that it felt that way.

Regardless, Herndon is a terrible player.. the kind of guy who comes in off the bench and the opposing offense knows where to go with the ball. Is he OK as a backup? Sure whatever but he's not someone I'd actively try to keep on the roster.

Also what do you mean 5th DB on the roster? When Griffin went down HE PLAYED AS THE #2 TO CAMPBELL. And he actively LOST games for us.

Shaq Griffin, somehow was just as bad or worse then Herndon giving up deep outside passes late in the 4th but regardless both of them were absolute trash when it was crunch time and not much better any other time.

(03-19-2023, 04:15 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:
(03-18-2023, 11:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: LOL
OK

I think you've changed the point and moved the goalposts three times already, but have fun with that. 
I'm not gonna sit here and argue about whether a backup DB gave up passes or not.
(Hint: we all [BLEEP] knew that already, you moron)

Good luck claiming you were the "original" poster on where Williams should play, I remember several regulars posting doubts about his slot play the day he was signed and you were not one of them. 

If you think it's time to take some victory lap on this herpherndonsuckderp narrative, go for it pal. 
The only debate on the guy is if he sucks bad enough to get a measly one year deal - or if he sucks bad enough to be allowed to walk entirely.  I don't see much meat to chew on there. 

BTW - you claimed repeatedly that he lost us 3 games. Which games, [BLEEP]? Third time I've asked with no answer.

Well it's funny you should mention this sir, because you are right, I wasn't suggesting he play outside because of my "Doubts" of his ability to play in the slot. My suggestion was to move him outside because Griffin was playing like crap weeks 1-2 and Williams was actually a GOOD outside corner last season with the Rams. 

I did not hop on the train of saying his sucked in the slot, that wasn't me you're right. What I said was in week 1-2 and had nothing to do with his slot coverage ability, but the lack of ability shown by Griffin at that point in the season.


Here is something from November.. involving you


(11-02-2022, 12:46 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: I'd be more inclined to have Darius Williams in that spot personally, or at the very least have some safety help.

(11-02-2022, 12:53 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Looking back at the play Herndon got torched on the sideline at the end of the Broncos game, It would appear that either Cisco was either in the wrong spot, or we intended to have Tre outside 1 on 1. Either way, he isn't a good enough DB to trust like that I think most of us would agree.

(11-02-2022, 12:58 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Then they'll just create the same mismatch on the nickel-back.

It's chess, and we have too many pawns, not enough heavy/royal pieces on the board in our back seven. 


Oluokun is playing through injury- not himself, Lloyd is great but he's a rookie learning NFL coverage, Herndon is a decent backup at best covering for a bad starter on IR, Williams may or may not play better outside, but they JUST got him acclimated to the slot. 
Jenkins is a roller coaster of good and bad, but hurts the team at crucial moments sometimes. Cisco is coming along nicely and Campbell is a stud. 

That's not the make up of a good coverage unit. It's one that good coordinators will pick on. If Griffin played up to his contract this would be easier to mitigate. He can't and we don't have the depth to overcome it.

?

What are you on about now? 

You found posts where I talked about Herndon getting beat? Great. That was never in question or debate. Everyone and their brother knows this happened many times. 
(You said that "All you heard" from me were posts blaming Herndon or Griffin for blowing the game early on in the year - still haven't found that have you?) 

You found posts where you talked about wanting Herndon in the slot and Williams outside?  Great. That was never in question or debate. Many posters wanted that from the get go (WAY SOONER THAN THAT November post of yours), and I eventually wanted it too after seeing DW struggle enough inside combined with Herndon struggling outside. This was never in question either. 
 

Here's what was in question? 
What three games did he personally cost us? You said he lost us three games.  You still haven't answered the question? That was what STARTED ALL OF THIS. 

Name the three games.
Reply

We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!


(This post was last modified: 03-20-2023, 03:48 AM by ChrisJagBoy. Edited 1 time in total.)

(03-19-2023, 05:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(03-17-2023, 09:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. 
Blame the coaches for not kicking Williams outside as soon as Griffin imploded, not the backup nickel they unwisely played outside. 

The funny part of your post is that Herndon played 9 games. 
SEVEN WINS - TWO LOSSES  - but you're blaming him for three?
OK

He had four bad games statistically out of the nine and only two of them were losses. 
 One was a blowout win for the Jags. None of them have the look of something you could pin on Herndon but the giants game, and it sure seems the defense's inability to stop Barkley and Daniel Jones on the ground played a larger role in the loss than Herndon did. 

 If you want to pin that on the 5th DB on the roster, go for it. If Griffin hadn't sucked so bad and the staff hadn't played Williams out of position, Herndon would never have been in that spot, but go ahead. 

In my mind, I just hope we bring in enough cheap competition in July that Herndon gets beat out for a spot on the 53.

(03-17-2023, 10:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Excuse me lord stat keeper, sometimes I do get Herndon and Griffin mixed up, but both of them were responsible for some attrocious late game scores by the opposing team. Whether it was 2 or 3, I don't know and i'm not gonna bother myself to look through it now. But during the season all we heard was "DERRR IF OUR DEFENSE DIDNT BLOW A LAST MIN TD WE WOULDA WON!!" from you and others.. and most of the time it was off a long pass on the sideline against either Griffin or Herndon. 

Point is, theres a reason our D was dramatically improved when the front office finally did what most of us wanted them to do from the start and moved that bum inside and allowed Williams to play outside. Theres A LOT of fans who think Williams is a top tier outside CB on this forum and it's laughable, he's really NOT.. he's just so much better than the two bums he proceeded to replace that it felt that way.

Regardless, Herndon is a terrible player.. the kind of guy who comes in off the bench and the opposing offense knows where to go with the ball. Is he OK as a backup? Sure whatever but he's not someone I'd actively try to keep on the roster.

Also what do you mean 5th DB on the roster? When Griffin went down HE PLAYED AS THE #2 TO CAMPBELL. And he actively LOST games for us.

Shaq Griffin, somehow was just as bad or worse then Herndon giving up deep outside passes late in the 4th but regardless both of them were absolute trash when it was crunch time and not much better any other time.

(03-19-2023, 04:15 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Well it's funny you should mention this sir, because you are right, I wasn't suggesting he play outside because of my "Doubts" of his ability to play in the slot. My suggestion was to move him outside because Griffin was playing like crap weeks 1-2 and Williams was actually a GOOD outside corner last season with the Rams. 

I did not hop on the train of saying his sucked in the slot, that wasn't me you're right. What I said was in week 1-2 and had nothing to do with his slot coverage ability, but the lack of ability shown by Griffin at that point in the season.


Here is something from November.. involving you





?

What are you on about now? 

You found posts where I talked about Herndon getting beat? Great. That was never in question or debate. Everyone and their brother knows this happened many times. 
(You said that "All you heard" from me were posts blaming Herndon or Griffin for blowing the game early on in the year - still haven't found that have you?) 

You found posts where you talked about wanting Herndon in the slot and Williams outside?  Great. That was never in question or debate. Many posters wanted that from the get go (WAY SOONER THAN THAT November post of yours), and I eventually wanted it too after seeing DW struggle enough inside combined with Herndon struggling outside. This was never in question either. 
 

Here's what was in question? 
What three games did he personally cost us? You said he lost us three games.  You still haven't answered the question? That was what STARTED ALL OF THIS. 

Name the three games.

Not gonna go thru every game of the season just to prove a point, the Broncos game is a great example and was his first start outside last year.. im sure you can find a couple more, and you absolutely were complaining about the defense because even when Trevor struggled early on all we heard from you and the others were that “well he got us a 4th qtr lead but the d blew it” and 9 times outta 10 it was shaq or tre blowing a deep ball at a critical time .


Regardless of last season, i think its pretty dumb to give guranteed money to a guy who probably should be cut during camp because i cant see a world where we dont draft at least one or two nickel backs in the draft. Same with wingard honestly but at least wingard is at an extremely thin position for us.. herndon will be below everyone on the depth chart come september
Reply


(03-20-2023, 03:44 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:
(03-19-2023, 05:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: What are you on about now? 

You found posts where I talked about Herndon getting beat? Great. That was never in question or debate. Everyone and their brother knows this happened many times. 
(You said that "All you heard" from me were posts blaming Herndon or Griffin for blowing the game early on in the year - still haven't found that have you?) 

You found posts where you talked about wanting Herndon in the slot and Williams outside?  Great. That was never in question or debate. Many posters wanted that from the get go (WAY SOONER THAN THAT November post of yours), and I eventually wanted it too after seeing DW struggle enough inside combined with Herndon struggling outside. This was never in question either. 
 

Here's what was in question? 
What three games did he personally cost us? You said he lost us three games.  You still haven't answered the question? That was what STARTED ALL OF THIS. 

Name the three games.

Not gonna go thru every game of the season just to prove a point, the Broncos game is a great example and was his first start outside last year.. im sure you can find a couple more, and you absolutely were complaining about the defense because even when Trevor struggled early on all we heard from you and the others were that “well he got us a 4th qtr lead but the d blew it” and 9 times outta 10 it was shaq or tre blowing a deep ball at a critical time .


Regardless of last season, i think its pretty dumb to give guranteed money to a guy who probably should be cut during camp because i cant see a world where we dont draft at least one or two nickel backs in the draft. Same with wingard honestly but at least wingard is at an extremely thin position for us.. herndon will be below everyone on the depth chart come september

I agree. Wingard is just another linebacker out there. He’s a coverage liability. Herndon should’ve been cut with Griffin. I’m annoyed that Cam Robinson was resigned and is taking Little’s spot. When Little is able to hit free agency, he’s probably gone because Trent has misused and abused him, playing him out of position and playing a less talented player in front of him.
"I am only an average man, but by George, I work harder at it than the average man." - Teddy Roosevelt

Reply


(03-20-2023, 03:44 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:
(03-19-2023, 05:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: What are you on about now? 

You found posts where I talked about Herndon getting beat? Great. That was never in question or debate. Everyone and their brother knows this happened many times. 
(You said that "All you heard" from me were posts blaming Herndon or Griffin for blowing the game early on in the year - still haven't found that have you?) 

You found posts where you talked about wanting Herndon in the slot and Williams outside?  Great. That was never in question or debate. Many posters wanted that from the get go (WAY SOONER THAN THAT November post of yours), and I eventually wanted it too after seeing DW struggle enough inside combined with Herndon struggling outside. This was never in question either. 
 

Here's what was in question? 
What three games did he personally cost us? You said he lost us three games.  You still haven't answered the question? That was what STARTED ALL OF THIS. 

Name the three games.

Not gonna go thru every game of the season just to prove a point, the Broncos game is a great example and was his first start outside last year.. im sure you can find a couple more, and you absolutely were complaining about the defense because even when Trevor struggled early on all we heard from you and the others were that “well he got us a 4th qtr lead but the d blew it” and 9 times outta 10 it was shaq or tre blowing a deep ball at a critical time .


Regardless of last season, i think its pretty dumb to give guranteed money to a guy who probably should be cut during camp because i cant see a world where we dont draft at least one or two nickel backs in the draft. Same with wingard honestly but at least wingard is at an extremely thin position for us.. herndon will be below everyone on the depth chart come september

Well if you're so convinced he cost us 3 games, you shouldn't have to go through every game to point them out. I would think they would be fresh in your mind. Washington and Indy were both Shaq btw
IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS
Reply


Being back to this approach is making me feel kinda nervous and PTSD again:

Expecting rookies to fill holes left by experienced starters. Our two 1st Round Draft picks last year barely made an impact
Reply

We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!



(03-20-2023, 09:58 AM)jaglyn Wrote: Being back to this approach is making me feel kinda nervous and PTSD again:

Expecting rookies to fill holes left by experienced starters. Our two 1st Round Draft picks last year barely made an impact

What holes are we really expecting a rookie to fill this year? Maybe LG and Nickel CB?
IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS
Reply


(03-20-2023, 10:06 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote:
(03-20-2023, 09:58 AM)jaglyn Wrote: Being back to this approach is making me feel kinda nervous and PTSD again:

Expecting rookies to fill holes left by experienced starters. Our two 1st Round Draft picks last year barely made an impact

What holes are we really expecting a rookie to fill this year? Maybe LG and Nickel CB?

Exactly. Probably only NB imo. I think Bartch is gonna be given a shot to start again.
Reply


(03-20-2023, 08:44 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote:
(03-20-2023, 03:44 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Not gonna go thru every game of the season just to prove a point, the Broncos game is a great example and was his first start outside last year.. im sure you can find a couple more, and you absolutely were complaining about the defense because even when Trevor struggled early on all we heard from you and the others were that “well he got us a 4th qtr lead but the d blew it” and 9 times outta 10 it was shaq or tre blowing a deep ball at a critical time .


Regardless of last season, i think its pretty dumb to give guranteed money to a guy who probably should be cut during camp because i cant see a world where we dont draft at least one or two nickel backs in the draft. Same with wingard honestly but at least wingard is at an extremely thin position for us.. herndon will be below everyone on the depth chart come september

Well if you're so convinced he cost us 3 games, you shouldn't have to go through every game to point them out. I would think they would be fresh in your mind. Washington and Indy were both Shaq btw

You are wasting your time trying to get this guy to tell you the 3 games. He can't tell you because first it didn't happen and second because like many of his posts he just made it up.
A new broom always sweeps clean.
Reply


(03-20-2023, 10:30 AM)Kane Wrote:
(03-20-2023, 10:06 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: What holes are we really expecting a rookie to fill this year? Maybe LG and Nickel CB?

Exactly. Probably only NB imo. I think Bartch is gonna be given a shot to start again.

You can't recreate or go all in on slightly advancing a past season. Each season presents new challenges and processes. The reality of the NFL is some players are going to leave no matter what. I wish we could carbon copy last years team and play the 2023 season. Not happening. We are going to take some steps back in certain positions but be surprised by the development or play of some new guys that we didn't pay attention to in the past.

We have a good to great QB with potential and I hope we capitalize and keep going forward. Have to watch and wait. Waiting is the hardest part Sad
The Khan Years

Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers.
Reply

We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!



(03-20-2023, 10:30 AM)Kane Wrote:
(03-20-2023, 10:06 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: What holes are we really expecting a rookie to fill this year? Maybe LG and Nickel CB?

Exactly. Probably only NB imo. I think Bartch is gonna be given a shot to start again.

Agreed. I think they liked the progress he was making before his injury. 

I'd also put money that most teams start 1-2 rookies minimum every year. This is the spot we want to be in this offseason.
IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS
Reply


(03-20-2023, 08:44 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote:
(03-20-2023, 03:44 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Not gonna go thru every game of the season just to prove a point, the Broncos game is a great example and was his first start outside last year.. im sure you can find a couple more, and you absolutely were complaining about the defense because even when Trevor struggled early on all we heard from you and the others were that “well he got us a 4th qtr lead but the d blew it” and 9 times outta 10 it was shaq or tre blowing a deep ball at a critical time .


Regardless of last season, i think its pretty dumb to give guranteed money to a guy who probably should be cut during camp because i cant see a world where we dont draft at least one or two nickel backs in the draft. Same with wingard honestly but at least wingard is at an extremely thin position for us.. herndon will be below everyone on the depth chart come september

Well if you're so convinced he cost us 3 games, you shouldn't have to go through every game to point them out. I would think they would be fresh in your mind. Washington and Indy were both Shaq btw

And I thought we lost the Denver game because Trevor threw a bad Int in the endzone to pretty much seal things?  He's even said he was responsible for that one and used it as fuel to turn the corner in his career.  And what a turn, huh?
So it looks like you still have 3 to go, CBJ.

Herndon is such a 'meh' signing, and teams cut guys after guaranteeing them much more than we're giving him all the time.  If he's clearly beaten out and there isn't room on the roster for him at the end of camp, nobody in that front office will lose sleep if they release him.  At the very least, there's no reason to get bent out of shape over it at this point in time.
Reply


(03-20-2023, 10:51 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote:
(03-20-2023, 10:30 AM)Kane Wrote: Exactly. Probably only NB imo. I think Bartch is gonna be given a shot to start again.

Agreed. I think they liked the progress he was making before his injury. 

I'd also put money that most teams start 1-2 rookies minimum every year. This is the spot we want to be in this offseason.

Exactly !    I have read all sorts of suggested players we should sign that are out on the market. Unfortunately, I am expecting that we will not see any significant signings (starters) Why would I say that? (besides our cap position)  Well I would suggest re listening to this.  

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sport...952146007/

The bottom line is we have established a culture and any free agent would first have to pass this filter before even being considered.  There just are not very many players teams let go that will pass this filter and be a significant upgrade that we can afford.

One day when we grow up I look forward to articles being written like this about our draft classes.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sport...952146007/
A new broom always sweeps clean.
Reply

(This post was last modified: 03-20-2023, 12:00 PM by Caldrac.)

Only move left that I can think of that I would like to see made is a veteran presence added to the DE room. There's a lot of good options out there. We probably won't be able to compete pricing wise but we can compete in regards to having a good enough team to remain competent and play off bound in 2023 and beyond.

Would like to see a guy like Justin Houston added maybe or Calais Campbell. Just to give us some breathing room. Again, we're just going to really have to hope that the 2nd and 3rd year guys step up. If Lawrence adds another 10+ TD's to his bottom line stats in 2023 though? We'll be fine. Which I think he's on pace to do with Ridley in the mix.

Draft wise though our needs are clearly: Interior Rusher, OG, Nickel-CB, TE. They have to feel confident in landing two starters there next month and this is a deep TE class to where you can find great depth to add behind Engram and a player that can challenge Farrell.
[Image: 4SXW6gC.png]

"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
Reply

We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!



(03-20-2023, 03:44 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:
(03-19-2023, 05:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: What are you on about now? 

You found posts where I talked about Herndon getting beat? Great. That was never in question or debate. Everyone and their brother knows this happened many times. 
(You said that "All you heard" from me were posts blaming Herndon or Griffin for blowing the game early on in the year - still haven't found that have you?) 

You found posts where you talked about wanting Herndon in the slot and Williams outside?  Great. That was never in question or debate. Many posters wanted that from the get go (WAY SOONER THAN THAT November post of yours), and I eventually wanted it too after seeing DW struggle enough inside combined with Herndon struggling outside. This was never in question either. 
 

Here's what was in question? 
What three games did he personally cost us? You said he lost us three games.  You still haven't answered the question? That was what STARTED ALL OF THIS. 

Name the three games.

Not gonna go thru every game of the season just to prove a point, the Broncos game is a great example and was his first start outside last year.. im sure you can find a couple more, and you absolutely were complaining about the defense because even when Trevor struggled early on all we heard from you and the others were that “well he got us a 4th qtr lead but the d blew it” and 9 times outta 10 it was shaq or tre blowing a deep ball at a critical time .


Regardless of last season, i think its pretty dumb to give guranteed money to a guy who probably should be cut during camp because i cant see a world where we dont draft at least one or two nickel backs in the draft. Same with wingard honestly but at least wingard is at an extremely thin position for us.. herndon will be below everyone on the depth chart come september

If your point is that he cost us 3 games, you don't need to go through every game to do that.  Hell, you literally only need to look at 3 total games and you've already looked at one of them.  Herndon played more than 50% of the snaps in 8 games, and roughly 33% in 2 others.  We lost 3 of those 10 games, 2 of them (DEN and NYG) where he played 2/3 of the snaps and one (KC) where he play 1/3 of the snaps.  All you need to do is show how he gave up a huge play in the NYG and KC games to prove your point.
Reply


Pass rush has to improve to make things easier.
Reply


Most good teams do not make big splashes in free agency due to their money is tied up in their own players. This is a good sign we are establishing culture here. Losing teams like the Jags have been hand big new free agents every year. You can't build a culture with new big names coming to the roster yearly.
Reply




Users browsing this thread:
79 Guest(s)

The Jungle is self-supported by showing advertisements via Google Adsense.
Please consider disabling your advertisement-blocking plugin on the Jungle to help support the site and let us grow!
We also show less advertisements to registered users, so create your account to benefit from this!
Questions or concerns about this ad? Take a screenshot and comment in the thread. We do value your feedback.


ABOUT US
The Jungle Forums is the Jaguars' biggest fan message board. Talking about the Jags since 2006, the Jungle was the team-endorsed home of all things Jaguars.

Since 2017, the Jungle is now independent of the team but still run by the same crew. We are here to support and discuss all things Jaguars and all things Duval!