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Tank Bigsby RB Round 3

(This post was last modified: 10-30-2023, 02:18 PM by NewJagsCity.)

(10-30-2023, 02:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-30-2023, 01:56 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: Still lost it. Most players seem to secure it even after contacting the ground. Why give the officials cause to make a fumble call in the first place?

Ground can't cause a fumble. 
They have that rule for a reason.
Common occurrence.

That's fine, the rule is good, but my point is why give the officials opportunity to miss or abuse the call? Keep the ball secure at all times and none of this is even a discussion.
"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

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(10-30-2023, 02:17 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote:
(10-30-2023, 02:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Ground can't cause a fumble. 
They have that rule for a reason.
Common occurrence.

That's fine, the rule is good, but my point is why give the officials opportunity to miss or abuse the call? Keep the ball secure at all times and none of this is even a discussion.

You realize there were two professional athletes holding him up and stripping the ball, right??
It's part of the game, man. 

He was fine.


(10-30-2023, 02:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-30-2023, 02:17 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: That's fine, the rule is good, but my point is why give the officials opportunity to miss or abuse the call? Keep the ball secure at all times and none of this is even a discussion.

You realize there were two professional athletes holding him up and stripping the ball, right??
It's part of the game, man. 

He was fine.

The ref's maybe got a talking to from New York after the off sides call at the half.  So I assumed that was payback for that call.  Now Pickens catch on the long third down was just ridiculous. Thank goodness we challenged it, even if the networks would not show replays except from a mile away...lol
A new broom always sweeps clean.


(10-30-2023, 09:43 AM)Jag149 Wrote:
(10-30-2023, 09:28 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: I remember a preseason argument about Etienne, about whether a running back can learn to stop fumbling.  Several people said no it's impossible, a running back cannot learn to stop fumbling.  And yet Etienne appears to have done just that. 

So there is hope for Bigsby.

Yes there is. First thing I would like to review that fumble yesterday. Initially it was ruled down by contact by multiple ref's, then was changed by one ref. If the call had remained down by contact then it wouldn't have been a fumble. 

As I remember it. He was moving laterally and 2 guys hit him almost immediately upon getting the ball. Not his issue, but not an excuse.  They held him up while they fought to dislodge the ball. He had both hands on it while they fought over it.  The replay showed while the ball began to move some he had it until he hit the ground. It was pretty close to a forward progress whistle. I am not sure many players would have not fumbled that one. 

Did anyone notice the replays after events yesterday were very sparse and from long range?  Case in point that reception on the sideline Pickens on a long 3rd down.  If Doug doesn't challenge that it would have stayed complete. In fact a an announcer said New York had intervened.  While close, Pickens was clearly out.

that was a first year ref yesterday and something tells me he's gonna get a few pointers from New York this week.

Apparently the guard lining up over the ball on the late FG attempt in the first half was ticky-tack if at all a foul as well.

They blundered about as a crew all game, and it's not an assignment one of the better matchups in the league should have received.

(This post was last modified: 10-30-2023, 03:07 PM by Mikey.)

(10-30-2023, 01:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(10-30-2023, 09:58 AM)ClemsonRob Wrote: I thought it was interesting that the lady ref quickly called him down and another ref who appeared to be farther away ran in and overruled her.

She had to be Mansplained why the call always has to favor the Jags' opponent.

(10-30-2023, 01:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: That is also what I saw. Looked like the ball was still quite firmly in the grasp of his left hand even if the defender managed to move the carrier's other hand in his strip attempt.

When they reversed the call I said it was going to be much harder to find for the Jags on review. The real question is if it would've stood had the situation been reversed to Down By Contact and the lady ref not been overruled on the field. I think they would've found for the squealers in that case too.

But the true implication there was that if Tank was ruled down, it was on Tomlin to challenge. If it's close, or they don't see anything obvious, they may not toss the hanky. Changing the ruling on the field completely upended things - it mandated review and changed the burden of proof to verify that Tank was down beyond a shadow of a doubt on a wet and yucky day where the camera angles weren't doing us any favors to make anything clear.

Again, that rookie ref should be getting one heckuva talking to this week.

(10-30-2023, 02:17 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote:
(10-30-2023, 02:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Ground can't cause a fumble. 
They have that rule for a reason.
Common occurrence.

That's fine, the rule is good, but my point is why give the officials opportunity to miss or abuse the call? Keep the ball secure at all times and none of this is even a discussion.

In other words, "Were it me, I simply wouldn't fumble"

Shocked that Tank hadn't thought of that or our coaches suggested such a wise stragety. Maybe he should take a knee before initiating contact?

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I think Bigsby has a much better 2nd half of the season.


(10-30-2023, 08:31 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: I think Bigsby has a much better 2nd half of the season.

That’s a pretty low bar…
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The question I’ve had about Bigsby is where the idea comes from that he’s some kind of short yardage back? Was that something he was known for at Auburn? Looking at his highlights it looks like a standard RB highlight reel which included all sorts of runs.

So where did he get the “short yardage specialist” monicker? Was that at auburn as well? Or did our local media just create a storyline and just go with it.

He’s a well built RB but he’s still not big by any means. I think Etienne outweighs him and has more speed too. Etienne has also shown a good ability to get into the endzone.

I remember listenening to 1010xl around training camp time and they were talking about Bigsby being huge and much bigger than Snoop Conner. Sounds like fake news to me.
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Remember Travis had issues fumbling last year. They seemed to work themselves out.

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(10-30-2023, 09:24 PM)SuperJville Wrote: The question I’ve had about Bigsby is where the idea comes from that he’s some kind of short yardage back?  Was that something he was known for at Auburn? Looking at his highlights it looks like a standard RB highlight reel which included all sorts of runs.

So where did he get the “short yardage specialist” monicker? Was that at auburn as well? Or did our local media just create a storyline and just go with it.

He’s a well built RB but he’s still not big by any means. I think Etienne outweighs him and has more speed too.  Etienne has also shown a good ability to get into the endzone.

I remember listenening to 1010xl around training camp time and they were talking about Bigsby being huge and much bigger than Snoop Conner.  Sounds like fake news to me.

Timeline as I remember it:

2022 Jags had short yardage issues
Jags draft Bigsby
Reporters and fans speculate "maybe he's a spellback who can also help in short yardage?" 
Some reporter asks Pederson if that's the case
Pederson paraphrased: "we could use some help in that area, we'll get the player in here and see what he can do"
Everybody ran with that as some sort of conformation even though it really wasn't


(10-30-2023, 09:24 PM)SuperJville Wrote: The question I’ve had about Bigsby is where the idea comes from that he’s some kind of short yardage back?  Was that something he was known for at Auburn? Looking at his highlights it looks like a standard RB highlight reel which included all sorts of runs.

So where did he get the “short yardage specialist” monicker? Was that at auburn as well? Or did our local media just create a storyline and just go with it.

He’s a well built RB but he’s still not big by any means. I think Etienne outweighs him and has more speed too.  Etienne has also shown a good ability to get into the endzone.

I remember listenening to 1010xl around training camp time and they were talking about Bigsby being huge and much bigger than Snoop Conner.  Sounds like fake news to me.

I made virtually this same post back in July here:

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1552471

I think people hear the name "Tank" and envision some pile moving guy and that's just not what he is.


Right now, he's slow to hit the hole. Maybe a timing thing, or rookie lack of confidence. Hopefully the fumbles can be coached out of him.
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(10-30-2023, 10:09 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(10-30-2023, 09:24 PM)SuperJville Wrote: The question I’ve had about Bigsby is where the idea comes from that he’s some kind of short yardage back?  Was that something he was known for at Auburn? Looking at his highlights it looks like a standard RB highlight reel which included all sorts of runs.

So where did he get the “short yardage specialist” monicker? Was that at auburn as well? Or did our local media just create a storyline and just go with it.

He’s a well built RB but he’s still not big by any means. I think Etienne outweighs him and has more speed too.  Etienne has also shown a good ability to get into the endzone.

I remember listenening to 1010xl around training camp time and they were talking about Bigsby being huge and much bigger than Snoop Conner.  Sounds like fake news to me.

I made virtually this same post back in July here:

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1552471

I think people hear the name "Tank" and envision some pile moving guy and that's just not what he is.

Ha, great minds think alike
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Rookies are going to make rookie mistakes. He's been unlucky with some plays, I think that horrendous mistake Week 1 against the Colts maybe knocked his and the coaches confidence so started using him more sparingly. He needs snaps though to get up to speed and we are going to need him to be able to contribute in January football.

The rookie pains are painful but I'd rather get then out the way now than in January.


He needs to show better when he gets the call. I still think he can be a nice running back. It’s going to be hard to trust him though if something freakish happens when he gets the ball.


He's better than ETN was his rookie year, let's give it some time.
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(10-30-2023, 01:47 PM)RicoTx Wrote: Still a bad pick.  Hope he proves me wrong.

Considering the team's needs and the relative ease of finding backup running backs, he would need to suddenly turn into another Etienne to not be a bad pick.

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I think for the last few years, this message board has become populated with complainers, and for good reason, but the problem is, now they can't stop complaining.

(This post was last modified: 10-31-2023, 09:10 AM by Mikey.)

(10-31-2023, 01:22 AM)Jag88 Wrote: He needs to show better when he gets the call. I still think he can be a nice running back. It’s going to be hard to trust him though if something freakish happens when he gets the ball.

I think it's good to preach patience with the kid, though.

If you get it in his mind that he has to get yards in bunches whenever he's on the field, he's gonna make sloppy mistakes trying to get that big play. Remember Trevor trying to play hero ball early last season? Bit him in the backside quite a few times. Be patient, take what's given. The big plays will happen in due time.

Play within your ability, learn from the experiences when you're on the field, and the success will come.

(10-31-2023, 06:22 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: He's better than ETN was his rookie year, let's give it some time.

now if that's not a superficial stat.

Thanks for the chuckle.

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(10-31-2023, 06:22 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: He's better than ETN was his rookie year, let's give it some time.

Gabbert was better than Tom Brady in his rookie year as well.

No reason to use a 3rd round pick on a RB when a team has a clear cut #1 RB on a rookie deal.  #2 RBs are a dime a dozen in this league.... just saying'

Looking back, spending a 2nd round pick on a TE and a 3rd round pick on a RB is rather head scratching when there were much bigger needs elsewhere.   Oh well, water under the bridge at this point in time...




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