OL and play calling is a huge issue just like the drops.

Maybe one day you'll actually understand ball and what you're watching. If you actually even watch the game at all which is highly doubtful considering your dumb [BLEEP] takes.

Speaking of dumb takes. I'm not the one who thinks Trevor is good.  

https://stathead.com/football/vs/daniel-...r-lawrence

You just outed yourself with the Jones stuff. The only people who use/bring that up are confirmed non watchers of the game. But go ahead and do you lil pup lol.

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Speaking of dumb takes. I'm not the one who thinks Trevor is good.  

https://stathead.com/football/vs/daniel-...r-lawrence

You just outed yourself with the Jones stuff. The only people who use/bring that up are confirmed non watchers of the game. But go ahead and do you lil pup lol.

If it makes you happy. Meanwhile the Jaguars are losing game after game.

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Trevor looks like he's about done with Doug's bull [BLEEP] lol.
https://twitter.com/JagKenKnowledge/stat...5736806462

Heh.  It's amazing. Every coach TL works with is awful.  Talk about the bad luck.  Heck of an excuse, though.

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https://x.com/TampaBayTre/status/1838401340835295425

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No Fun

I feel like a broken record but I think Doug is too prideful to admit he made a mistake in handing it over to Taylor. He couldn’t admit having Taylor on staff was a problem in Philly, why would he do it here? He doesn’t like accountability

This business is dirty. If he thought Press was an issue he would've fired him already. There's no shame in admitting a mistake. 

Don't think he would put his job in jeopardy because of Press freaking Taylor.

Said after me, but will repeat, this is exactly what happened in Philadelphia. 

It’s just annoying harping on about the same thing years later, the Oline is atrocious, Cam plays LT and can only handle bull rushes, any speed or finesse and he’s done. 

Players are constantly running through the middle of our oline. 

And the play calling is just woeful absolutely woeful.

The pick was completely on TLaw no question about it, but it’s annoying that we just rinse and repeat the same old mistakes.

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This is the last year Trevor Lawrence is a starting QB in the NFL. He will be traded then tossed around the backup qb spot for the next 10 years until retirement.

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Dude, Trevor Lawrence willed this team to so many wins in 2022 when Pederson allowed him to be who he is.

Lawrence isn't a pocket passer.  Doug realized that in 2022, he let him roll out of pockets.  He let him go deep.  He let him trust his players.  

What's different now is that Trevor has to run the plays called in the 1st half.  He's not given the freedom or mobility to do what he did when he was at Clemson.

They are pigeon holding Lawrence, trying to make him a Peyton Manning type QB.  But he's not that right now.  But they bunch up the middle and make the field easy for defenses to key on the simple schemes we do.

This isn't a Trevor Lawrence issue.

So by your logic, Pederson is doing the complete opposite from what worked, because of what?

Passing overall around the league is down but just watch the Bills offense last night. They had so many players running wide open. The play designs and play calls were perfect. And their OL was perfect as well. 

Mean while, Trevor is getting 4 players running a curl on 3rd and long.

I’ve listened to numerous podcasts saying “Pederson offers up no scheme advantage” or “Trevor needs out of this horrific offensive scheme now”.

Trevor has his faults. I know he does. But when you watch the way these really good coaches get the most out of their players (McVay, Reid, LaFleur, OcConnell, Brady) and then see the trash the Jags throw out week in and week out, it’s infuriating.

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This business is dirty. If he thought Press was an issue he would've fired him already. There's no shame in admitting a mistake. 

Don't think he would put his job in jeopardy because of Press freaking Taylor.

From the outside that was what happened in Philly. It's obviously not that simple though because it's not possible this wasn't discussed at length before Pederson was appointed with us. 

It's just some made up fan fiction just like our drops, o-line or play calling.

Press Taylor was never the issue in the Philly, Doug was fired because he wouldn't quit calling the plays and hire Roseman's guy to be the OC. When he agreed to quit calling plays he was going to name Press Taylor OC instead of Roseman's guy and so they parted ways. The real issue is that Pederson never wanted to fire Mike Groh in the first place but was publicly forced (and embarrassed) to by Roseman, from that point on it was the two at odds of coaching staff as Roseman forced the likes of Marty Mornhinwig on him as "consultants" to do Roseman's bidding. Taylor was just caught up in the maelstrom that is the Philly front office. Press Taylor here is just the whipping boy for a [BLEEP] roster that can't block their way past a wet scarecrow. Meanwhile, Robinson and Scherff continue to suck [BLEEP] every week with no one fit to replace them.

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/eagle...oh-debacle

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This is the last year Trevor Lawrence is a  starting QB in the NFL. He will be traded then tossed around the backup qb spot for the next 10 years until retirement.

Lol, it's a $!03 million dollar cap hit if he's traded. He ain't going anywhere but back on the field.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Trevor’s basically Bortles with better throwing mechanics. He can make you think he’s a franchise QB a lot of the time but do things that make you shake your head others. He does seem to have everything you want except the so called “it” factor. People can continue to blame coaching and the OL and those are certainly contributing to what we’re seeing but ultimately, you are what you put in tape. It applies to a team and it applies to your QB.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
Check out the Jag's Forum Alternative: Duval Football Fans.

Trevor is an orchid. 

He'll only thrive in perfect conditions.

Kinda hard to thrive when everyone keeps pulling you backward. First two weeks, the O tripped over their own feet while the D kept the games winnable. This week, we lay a red carpet for Buffalo to the end zone. Not exactly a recipe for thriving, unless you want to pad stats in garbage time.

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We took our flower seed and threw it into the center lane of the west-bound Fuller Warren Bridge then wonder why it can't take root.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

He's not who we thought he was unfortunately.

Doesn't help that this team can't assist him but great QBs can lift their teams on their back.

He's got some work to do to get better - in addition to the rest of this team. We have failed him and he has failed us.

I still think it comes down to we have no idea who we want to be. The answer SHOULD be simple - if he is the franchise, find what he does best, and build squarely around that foundation.

It's glaring when you watch other teams play against our D - their formations, their motion all happen with purpose, and yield results. They know who they are, and what they intend to accomplish. At this level "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" shouldn't be the gameplan, but too often it seems like we are just guessing, never dictating.

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Trevor’s basically Bortles with better throwing mechanics. He can make you think he’s a franchise QB a lot of the time but do things that make you shake your head others. He does seem to have everything you want except the so called “it” factor. People can continue to blame coaching and the OL and those are certainly contributing to what we’re seeing but ultimately, you are what you put in tape. It applies to a team and it applies to your QB.

Agreed. Done with the excuses. He's good. Not great. He's okay. Not elite. Blame it on scheme. Blame it on Meyer. Blame it on the offensive line. Blame it on this coaching staff.

He's not doing anything to elevate this team. He's not putting it on his back. He's not taking games over. When the chips are down and the game is still on the line and there's a chance? He doesn't move the needle. He doesn't instill confidence. 

This team, once again, has failed. In every facet.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

He's not who we thought he was unfortunately.

Doesn't help that this team can't assist him but great QBs can lift their teams on their back.

He's got some work to do to get better - in addition to the rest of this team. We have failed him and he has failed us.

He didn’t fail us. 

We failed him. 

I really do hope we run him out of town and he goes into success elsewhere.

you know, I was in 100% agreement through 67% of your statements.

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I'm a BPA guy all the way.  But we have been backed into a position where we have to go all oline and whatever it takes to help Ttevor now.  We need to draft the best tackle in the draft and then trade back up for another high quality starter in the oline.  We have passed up so many good olineman in the draft over the years we will now have to reach for lineman.

the bourbon's over in the cabinet. Welcome.

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55 million a year to sail footballs over receivers heads for INTs..

I can do that for free..

that one throw was not the difference in this game and you bloody well know it.

Tom brady forgot how many downs you get that one time, I could do that for peanuts, too.

I put a whole lot more of this L on our D getting 0 sacks, 0 turnovers (do we have any this season?). Where was their fight? 5 straight possessions with a TD allowed? No way we should ever expect a QB to have to keep up that pace.

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But it is not really $55 million a year. If we are going to have this conversation let's do it honestly.

Also EVERY QB require players of certain level to perform to a good standard. Basically every MVP, All-Pro, Super Bowl winning QB has another offensive player who is HoF or All -Pro caliber. And the few that don't are no doubt HoF's.

Every contending Super Bowl winning QB typically has a HoF coach. McVeigh is definitely trending that way. Gary Kubiak, Brian Billick, John Gruden, Mike Holgrem, Bruce Arians, and early career Mike McCarthy are just a notch or few below that level and most with HoF level Qb's.That leaves Doug Pederson and it's pretty clear the 2017 Eagles are the flukiest champion of the past 30 years. who won't but he is much better than any coach the Jags have had in 2 decades. Doug Pedersen is basically the only e

Now if you were expected a future HoF, I don't know what to tell you.

But he can still be damn good, and can still win a SB in the right situation. My point being that ever QB has to be in the right situation to succeed.

Plus if you are looking to but bait, it is more likely the Jags are waiting another 10-15 years to find a QB with this level of potential again.

I'm not harping on the $55 million/yr as a primary point of emphasis, which is crazy to say, but it's more of an addendum in the scope of entirety.

I'm not going to keep reiterating the same points over and over that I have made earlier in both threads but Trevor hasn't gone out there and WON us a game enough - and it's been a long time since he actually has. A couple of games every few seasons just simply won't cut it in the NFL.

Was that INT tonight on the coaches? Trevor has been responsible for 62 total turnovers since 2021, which leads the entire league in that span sadly. Some of them should not fall on him, but there's A LOT that actually do - and is not a good sign.

I'm tired of seeing stat lines like 21/38 178 yards 1 TD and 1 INT so many times... Can we just have a string of games where he grabs the game by the freaking horns and exerts his "greatness" so we don't ever have to be subjected to conversations like these with our starting QB?

... Please?

Unfortunately, when the situation is significant, it seems too often that everything crumbles around him and doesn't give him the chance to win us a game. How often do we have the late-game, near immediate sacks that destroy a comeback attempt? You can dang near set your watch to them. It's systemic, not individual, failure here.

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Brady and Peyton playing behind OLs among dead last in time to throw in the NFL is news to me. Of course during 40 years combined during their careers you can find seasons with below average OL play, but for the most part they played behind really good OLs. Brady elevated his WRs way beyond their talent, Manning did too but he was a HOFer throwing to two HOFers in Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison. Calling them scrubs is the most interesting NFL take I've read in awhile

I love how this time-to-throw gets tossed around like it's the coup de grace argument.  He's got the least time to throw because defences don't respect him.  If they over commit on pressure, they will not get burned.  He won't hit the quick slant that forces an LB to stay in the hole.  He won't dump it to a back on a makeshift screen.  He won't take off on a run that forces the DL to rush a little slower so they can react.

TL has the least time because he's the least respected.

It seems the TL-swifties are all content to believe he's a complete victim of circumstance with no responsibility, as the highest paid player on the squad by a WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin, to be the best player on the squad by an equally WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin.  That's a good gig.  Give me $55M a year and I can stink it up like an outhouse as well.  Hell, I'll be unreliable at half that price.

To say this diregards that coaches should be poring over tape, understanding what Ds are doing, and coming up with an approach to counter it.

We never do. We just take the L and pray we get better. You think that TLaw is the only player that teams attempt to fluster through heavy, immediate pressure? Come on.

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55 million a year to sail footballs over receivers heads for INTs..

I can do that for free..

that one throw was not the difference in this game and you bloody well know it.

Tom brady forgot how many downs you get that one time, I could do that for peanuts, too.

I put a whole lot more of this L on our D getting 0 sacks, 0 turnovers (do we have any this season?). Where was their fight? 5 straight possessions with a TD allowed? No way we should ever expect a QB to have to keep up that pace.

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I'm not harping on the $55 million/yr as a primary point of emphasis, which is crazy to say, but it's more of an addendum in the scope of entirety.

I'm not going to keep reiterating the same points over and over that I have made earlier in both threads but Trevor hasn't gone out there and WON us a game enough - and it's been a long time since he actually has. A couple of games every few seasons just simply won't cut it in the NFL.

Was that INT tonight on the coaches? Trevor has been responsible for 62 total turnovers since 2021, which leads the entire league in that span sadly. Some of them should not fall on him, but there's A LOT that actually do - and is not a good sign.

I'm tired of seeing stat lines like 21/38 178 yards 1 TD and 1 INT so many times... Can we just have a string of games where he grabs the game by the freaking horns and exerts his "greatness" so we don't ever have to be subjected to conversations like these with our starting QB?

... Please?

Unfortunately, when the situation is significant, it seems too often that everything crumbles around him and doesn't give him the chance to win us a game. How often do we have the late-game, near immediate sacks that destroy a comeback attempt? You can dang near set your watch to them. It's systemic, not individual, failure here.

I'm glad that looked like a 55 million dollar a year QB to you, cause it damn sure didn't to me..

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We're in what? Year 4 with that [BLEEP]?

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I love how this time-to-throw gets tossed around like it's the coup de grace argument.  He's got the least time to throw because defences don't respect him.  If they over commit on pressure, they will not get burned.  He won't hit the quick slant that forces an LB to stay in the hole.  He won't dump it to a back on a makeshift screen.  He won't take off on a run that forces the DL to rush a little slower so they can react.

TL has the least time because he's the least respected.

It seems the TL-swifties are all content to believe he's a complete victim of circumstance with no responsibility, as the highest paid player on the squad by a WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin, to be the best player on the squad by an equally WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin.  That's a good gig.  Give me $55M a year and I can stink it up like an outhouse as well.  Hell, I'll be unreliable at half that price.

To say this diregards that coaches should be poring over tape, understanding what Ds are doing, and coming up with an approach to counter it.

We never do. We just take the L and pray we get better. You think that TLaw is the only player that teams attempt to fluster through heavy, immediate pressure? Come on.

This. Go to play desig video analysis. There are NO quick routes on a lot of these plays. For cripes sake yesterday on the 4th and goal they just ran 4 curls. Curls!!! Then little completely let’s miller walk by. But hey Trevor, get that ball out. Do it all man. Because you’re not the franchise anymore. 

That’s why I said let him go. We’re not gonna build around him and he’s the problem anyway, right?

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I don't think Lawrence will ever be the generational QB we hoped. From mid-2022 to mid-2023 he had a 17 game stretch where statistically he was top 5. So he can easily be a top 10 qb which is all you need to win a super bowl. We know it because we've seen it.

Saying that I think the haters under appreciate how important being in the right situation is for a qb. And unfortunately for Lawrence he came to the jags. Meyer was a disaster in year 1. Our front office put together statistically one of the two worst olines in the league last year. No clue what has happened to the offense this year but line not looking dramatically improved. He may be damaged goods now unfortunately.

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

I think we were oversold on Trev coming out of Clemson. Too much stock was put into the pundits telling us about this generational QB.. He's had some great flashes, but year 4, footballs should not be sailing over receivers heads, especially only 20 yards down field.

He's not a bust at all, to me right now, he's over paid for the product he puts on the field. And yes, it's also everyone's fault on this team.

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