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Dante Fowler's Future

(This post was last modified: 10-24-2018, 12:17 PM by Kane.)

(10-24-2018, 10:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-24-2018, 09:36 AM)Kane Wrote: Church just needs to go imo. He served his stop gap purpose.
Campbell would probably restructure, otherwise certainly release. (I think in todays NFL you need two rush ends more than a "big end")
I think Malik is still playing up to his contract.

Bouye is looking like a one year wonder, however I'm wondering how much Bouye and Ramsey's semi-struggles have been because of scheme and playcall (zone obsession with Wash)
Dareus is a pretty large number too, but we shouldn't let him get away until we know we have a solid NT.

I think Telvin might need to take a pay cut though. We paid him very handsomely and he's been way out of place a lot this year... not sure what's up with that.

That ALL being said... I'm worried we're being hard on our D guys when they are on the field too much and put in bad position by the DC.

Not sure we need to dump a bunch of money into the offense though. QB should be a rookie. Perhaps we toss some more money at OL but Norwell isn't working out great.
Jags have to be careful in FA the next couple offseasons.

We need to stop trading away draft capital on a lost season, imo.
We need 2 OL (LT/RT, RG) guys, another RB, another TE, and a QB.

MORE OT OF FOWLER:
I think he's playing just as we thought he would. He's gonna earn a contract from someone. If he's cheap enough we should try to retain him. If he's commanding too much, you let him go and get that comp pick.

In terms of next year's defense, I'd say:
  • Church walks and Harrison steps in. Saves 6.2 mil in 2019. 
  • Bouye is fine unless his play doesn't normalize before season's end, and it probably will. It's not the scheme BTW. He's being beaten in man coverage early in games. Not terribly often, but giving up chunks on scoring drives. A little concerning. I bet he rallies though. If they can convince him to restructure, fine. 
  • Malik Jackson is playing great. No change needed. He's locked up and has earned his money. 
  • Dareus is a luxury we probably can't afford, but they'll need to draft one of the better NT types in the draft to replace him. Run stuffer needed.  Maybe he restructures a bit based on snap count? 
  • Campbell is either gone after this year or after 2019. Not sure what he'd be open to changing in order to stay. They have the out after this season if they want and cutting him will save 11.5 mil.  Bryan is not going to just replicate his impact right away (if ever) and they'd need to add another DE that can pass rush and play the run well. 
  • Gipson played well last season. He's been pretty good in coverage this year for the most part. He's looked bad in run support the past two weeks though. Not sure what's going on there. His replacement is not on the roster though. Could save around 7 mil by cutting him. But who takes over?  Finding a cheap replacement would really help the cap. 
So - you've got to make real decisions on Dareus and Campbell. Gipson likely stays. Bouye likely stays (at the same rate.) Jackson isn't going anywhere. And anyone you release will leave a void in need of an early/early-ish pick expenditure. 


Best case scenario is probably Dareus restructuring and the team waiting till after 2019 to cut Campbell if he's still playing well by this season's end. 
Then - If the team could somehow manage to draft an heir apparent QB, a quality rotational DE, and a run stuffing NT in 2019 they could be nicely reset in 2020 and have room to keep Ngakoue, Ramsey and Jack. 


Fowler seems destined to earn a better offer in free agency than the Jags are willing to compete with. 



I'd address offense by simply drafting the best QB they can manage to get and acquiring O-Line depth by the boatload. They can roll one more year with Parnell and Robinson at Tackle but they had better add depth and developmental guys behind them.  

WR group of Lee, Westbrook, Cole, and Chark isn't bad. A late round pick added will suffice.  I'd try to draft a mid round TE though. ASJ has one more year and he'll need a counterpart.

Pretty much fully agree.

(10-24-2018, 11:55 AM)Upper Wrote:
(10-24-2018, 11:36 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: You're honestly the worst. If something doesn't fit your narrative you try and spin stuff any way you can to not admit being wrong. I've seen you post like 25 separate times that last year Fowler lucked into his sacks because they didnt match his pressures. Now it's a stat from favorite place to pick stats from, pff, saying that he is getting pressures at the same rate as yannick, and your know it all ego still wont give the tiniest bit of praise.

I actually ignored this thread while he was chilling on the milk carton for a month. I could have fit the narrative every week for a month if I wanted, but I don't have one.

All I did was laugh at how other people also ignored the thread while he wasn't doing anything, and then as soon as a speck of good happens it must be revived. If anyone has a narrative it's those guys that let the thread live and die based on how he did week to week.

Eh... I see it as someone finding a relevant thread to post a new nugget of info, instead of starting up a brand new "Whos better, Yannick or Fowler" thread

They are both good players honestly.
And while Fowler was hampered early with the injury thing and some off field issues Yannick shined.
And now Yannick is getting held up a bit more and blocked better and Fowler is shining a bit more in limited snaps.

They can both be good ya know.
Especially a former top ten first rounder.
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Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 08-29-2018, 01:44 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by jvillejagsn1 - 08-29-2018, 01:49 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheDogCatcher - 09-03-2018, 02:02 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Caldrac - 08-29-2018, 03:45 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 08-29-2018, 06:01 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by imtheblkranger - 08-29-2018, 06:11 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 08-29-2018, 06:21 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by knarnn - 08-29-2018, 06:58 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 08-29-2018, 07:03 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by imtheblkranger - 08-30-2018, 11:11 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by El DIABLO - 08-30-2018, 11:13 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 08-30-2018, 11:30 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 08-30-2018, 12:55 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 08-30-2018, 12:59 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by imtheblkranger - 08-30-2018, 01:21 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 08-30-2018, 04:08 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 08-30-2018, 03:04 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by imtheblkranger - 08-30-2018, 03:32 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flsprtsgod - 08-30-2018, 04:16 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by JagFanatic24 - 08-30-2018, 04:22 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by scottyg - 08-30-2018, 04:26 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by navyjagfan - 08-31-2018, 06:38 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 08-30-2018, 07:02 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 08-30-2018, 04:51 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by imtheblkranger - 08-30-2018, 05:14 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by jaglyn - 08-30-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by JUNGLE CAT 2017 - 08-31-2018, 06:31 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Eye of the Storm - 08-31-2018, 07:29 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Jagwired - 08-31-2018, 08:20 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by JUNGLE CAT 2017 - 09-02-2018, 09:48 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flsprtsgod - 09-02-2018, 09:59 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 09-02-2018, 10:16 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Predator - 09-02-2018, 10:29 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by JUNGLE CAT 2017 - 09-04-2018, 01:21 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Predator - 09-04-2018, 03:13 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Mikey - 08-31-2018, 08:53 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 08-31-2018, 09:05 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by RicoTx - 08-31-2018, 01:30 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by imtheblkranger - 08-31-2018, 02:10 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Kane - 08-31-2018, 02:20 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by imtheblkranger - 08-31-2018, 06:59 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Kane - 09-05-2018, 02:50 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 08-31-2018, 02:23 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheBigDawg - 09-01-2018, 05:38 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Dimson - 09-03-2018, 02:50 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 09-04-2018, 11:43 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 09-04-2018, 05:10 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by JaguarJosh05 - 09-06-2018, 10:54 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 09-06-2018, 11:17 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 09-15-2018, 08:54 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by jaguarmvp - 09-15-2018, 09:26 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Jagulars - 09-15-2018, 11:25 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 09-16-2018, 02:56 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by ColoJag - 09-16-2018, 03:57 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 09-16-2018, 09:12 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Senor Fantastico - 09-16-2018, 08:33 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Eric1 - 09-16-2018, 11:41 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Krayz_Jville_D - 09-16-2018, 08:37 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 09-16-2018, 11:37 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by rocdee - 09-17-2018, 11:34 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Cleatwood - 09-17-2018, 11:56 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 09-17-2018, 02:40 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 09-17-2018, 03:06 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Fred Jones-Brunell - 09-17-2018, 03:14 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Kane - 09-17-2018, 04:00 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Senor Fantastico - 09-17-2018, 04:04 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Kane - 09-17-2018, 04:07 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by imtheblkranger - 09-17-2018, 08:16 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by rocdee - 09-18-2018, 08:29 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Cleatwood - 09-18-2018, 08:50 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 09-18-2018, 08:56 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Senor Fantastico - 09-18-2018, 12:00 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Kane - 09-18-2018, 12:58 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by imtheblkranger - 09-18-2018, 03:12 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Brett - 09-18-2018, 03:14 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by imtheblkranger - 09-18-2018, 03:40 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 09-18-2018, 04:42 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by HURRICANE!!! - 09-18-2018, 05:39 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 09-18-2018, 05:54 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by rocdee - 09-18-2018, 05:42 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 09-18-2018, 08:14 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 09-18-2018, 08:28 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Predator - 09-18-2018, 09:06 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by RicoTx - 09-19-2018, 07:16 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Eric1 - 09-18-2018, 08:22 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Predator - 09-18-2018, 09:19 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 09-19-2018, 02:38 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Predator - 09-19-2018, 03:09 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by iapetus - 09-19-2018, 03:19 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 09-19-2018, 04:59 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Eric1 - 09-19-2018, 05:39 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Bullseye - 09-19-2018, 06:15 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 09-19-2018, 08:33 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Kane - 09-19-2018, 11:38 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 09-19-2018, 11:45 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Predator - 09-19-2018, 02:16 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Kane - 09-19-2018, 02:49 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 09-19-2018, 03:20 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Kane - 09-19-2018, 03:24 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by MalabarJag - 09-19-2018, 03:33 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by jaglou53 - 09-20-2018, 11:41 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by JagFanatic24 - 09-20-2018, 04:29 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Krayz_Jville_D - 09-19-2018, 10:11 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by YourFather - 09-20-2018, 12:16 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Cleatwood - 09-19-2018, 05:40 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 09-19-2018, 05:45 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Predator - 09-19-2018, 08:51 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 09-19-2018, 09:20 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheBigDawg - 09-19-2018, 09:02 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Predator - 09-20-2018, 04:59 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Predator - 09-20-2018, 05:19 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 09-20-2018, 05:48 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flsprtsgod - 09-20-2018, 06:53 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Predator - 09-20-2018, 10:30 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Billycool Jag - 09-20-2018, 11:54 AM
Dante Fowler's Future - by minihulk32 - 09-20-2018, 09:53 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Passepartout - 09-20-2018, 10:05 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by jj82284 - 09-22-2018, 10:17 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by nhiverson - 09-23-2018, 10:57 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Eric1 - 10-23-2018, 09:12 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 10-24-2018, 06:23 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 10-24-2018, 06:40 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by jessepeck1213 - 10-24-2018, 11:36 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 10-24-2018, 11:47 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Eric1 - 10-24-2018, 11:41 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 10-24-2018, 07:18 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Krayz_Jville_D - 10-24-2018, 08:00 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 10-24-2018, 08:08 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Kane - 10-24-2018, 09:36 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 10-24-2018, 10:16 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Kane - 10-24-2018, 12:14 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 10-24-2018, 01:52 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 10-24-2018, 09:30 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Krayz_Jville_D - 10-24-2018, 11:19 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 10-24-2018, 11:31 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Krayz_Jville_D - 10-24-2018, 01:53 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 10-24-2018, 01:55 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Krayz_Jville_D - 10-24-2018, 02:13 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 10-24-2018, 02:19 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Krayz_Jville_D - 10-24-2018, 02:32 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 10-24-2018, 02:49 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 10-24-2018, 11:55 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 10-24-2018, 12:18 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Kane - 10-24-2018, 12:21 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Upper - 10-24-2018, 12:58 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by scottyg - 10-24-2018, 01:13 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by JagFanFirst - 10-24-2018, 03:01 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 10-24-2018, 03:13 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by JagFanFirst - 10-24-2018, 03:47 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by TheO-LineMatters - 10-24-2018, 03:48 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by NYC4jags - 10-24-2018, 03:54 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Eric1 - 10-24-2018, 07:07 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 10-24-2018, 08:05 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by JackCity - 10-24-2018, 10:57 PM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 10-25-2018, 06:45 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by FsuClark08 - 10-25-2018, 06:48 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 10-25-2018, 07:06 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by Krayz_Jville_D - 10-25-2018, 08:16 AM
RE: Dante Fowler's Future - by flgatorsandjags - 10-25-2018, 08:40 AM



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