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flgatorsandjags · 02-20-2019, 10:13 PM

(02-20-2019, 09:53 PM)Bullseye Wrote:
(02-20-2019, 09:33 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: 1. I'm talking NFL accomplishments, not college. If you want to debate football accomplishments below the NFL level, there are any number of college and high school boards.

2. Why would Denver pursue an expensive and near retirement age Peyton Manning if they already had "Tebow the great" on the roster, having expended a first round pick on him?

3. Early in his career?!? The stats I posted are Tebow's CAREER totals! After three years, Elway already had a vastly better record as a starter (27-13 vs Tebow's 8-6), almost four times as many more yards (8152 vs Tebow's 2422), almost 6 times as many TDs (47 to Tebow's 8), a higher completion percentage (52.6 vs 47.9), and more 4th quarter comebacks (9-6).

4. Alex Smith had the same team kaepernick did, and didn't take it to the Super Bowl. Kaepernick took that team to the Super Bowl.

5. It doesn't say anything bad about Foles. Foles succeeded under Kelly and under Pederson.

6. What in blazes are you talking about with your last point?

7. Please, I beg you, stop saying Tebow outperformed Kaepernick, not to mention a first ballot Hall of Famer like John Freaking Elway. There is ZERO objective factual basis for you to make that claim.
1. Of course you dont want to discuss prior accomplishments before he goes to the league he got blackballed in. It wouldnt be a contest

2. Why would they persue Peyton when they did? You mean the guy that set the TD record in Den and won MVP? Yeah, why would they do that lol

3. Just posted his earlier stats above where he beat Elway in every catagory

4. Kap failed the job that Smith was set to do before he got hurt

5. Agreed, just shows the talent of Foles and a guy that can get the job done when taking over for an injured QB unlike Kap

6. which point?

7. Kap cant hold Tebows jock strap. No seriously though, similar playing styles but he just wasnt on Tebows level

1. I am only concerned about NFL accomplishments on an NFL board. If were talking about college accomplishments, I'm sure we could bring such stalwarts like Johnny Manziel, Andre Ware, and Archie Griffin into the discussion. But since we are talking about the NFL, and since those guys, like Tebow, accomplished jack [BLEEP] in the NFL, they aren't worth discussing, just like Tebow if you didn't insist on bringing him into a discussion that did not mention him.

2. That is precisely my point! Denver had just spent a 1st round pick on Tebow two years earlier. if Tebow were performing like a competent NFL QB, they wouldn't have bothered bringing in Manning. They would have let Tebow continue to develop. Instead, they saw first hand what just about everyone else could see: Tebow sucks.

3. No...you didn't. Not even close.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...waJo00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...boTi00.htm

4. Failed to do the job?!? Three points from winning a Super Bowl as opposed to never getting there? Okay...?!?

5. What in the world does Foles have to do with this conversation? You have introduced two QBs completely irrelevant to the discussion. If it will satisfy you, I will concede that Kaepernick is not as good as Foles on the basis of not being able to win a Super Bowl. Of course, if you apply that logic to the population of QBs as a whole, you would get some questionable results, like Trent Dilfer being a better QB than Dan Marino and Brad Johnson being better than Jim Kelly.

6. The point about players other than Kaepernick kneeling.

(02-20-2019, 09:42 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Oh for crying out loud. Tebow and Kap are exactly the same; neither is talented enough for a team to put up with their circus.

So quarterbacking a team to the Super Bowl is not talented enough for a player who has not violated any laws or league rules?
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1. Exactly, we are talking about 2 guys and you want to bring in 3 other guys irrelevant to the discussion. Oh wait

2. Why would a team want to bring in a top 5 QB all time, just cleared healthy, and still in his prime? The guy that set the TD record, MVP, and helped lead them to 2 SBs and win one. Is this really a question?

3. Already posted above where he was outdoing Elway in the same amount of games early in their respected careers

4. Yes failed to do the job that 2 guys you brought up did. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson

5. But apply even more logic, did those guys win SB MVP?

6. Whoosh