(07-04-2020, 10:26 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(07-04-2020, 08:04 AM)mikesez Wrote: The COVID curve alone tells you someone in the US messed up bad.  Then when you learn our President is still not wearing a mask and still not encouraging others to wear them, you start to see the problem.

But these simple facts are no more likely to change your mind than humorously edited videos of him bumbling simple speeches.

You're not going to be reasoned out of an opinion that you weren't reasoned into.  One day you're going to wake up and realize that you're tired of carrying water for this dude. And you'll just stop. And you won't tell anybody you've stopped for a few weeks at least.

The Covid curve was inevitable. This nation is too large to treat it like a smaller country. If the outbreak didn't spread, it was always going to spread upon reopening. The availability of testing is going to catch more people who are asymptomatic this time around, too. 

You simple "facts" are stupid and poorly reasoned, as usual.

I don't carry any water for Trump. I am anti-media, anti-Marxist, and increasingly anti-Democrat. Sometimes that causes me to vouch for Trump, less so because I like the dude, and more so because this side you are vouching for is losing it's mind. I see it coming from the Republican side, too, but it's just talk for now. The left is becoming radicalized and violent, and the right will follow. One day you're going to wake up and realize you are gaslighted little twit, and you won't tell anyone, because you'll be sent to the gulag.

The degree of curve was not inevitable.

It could have been mitigated much more effectively and could STILL be mitigated much more effectively. 

The administration's inaction and it's continued dissent of scientific evidence is largely to blame. 
History will undoubtedly reflect that this pandemic was mismanaged by this administration. 
Hell, this president's rallies and events are "spreader parties" full of unmasked and un-distanced science deniers. 

Now we are seeing new concentrated outbreaks in cities like Houston and Miami that could become nearly as ugly as NYC was several weeks ago. This administration's encouragement to those state governors to re-open and remove restrictions is part of the problem and will receive blame accordingly. 

Your insistence on viewing this as some right vs left or GOP vs Dem world is clouding your ability to look at significant issues.

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Regarding your gulag comment and others like it:

You need to understand that our great nation operates with carefully designed checks and balances that prevent extremism from going too far from any branch. 

The same powers that have resulted in Trump only building 3 miles of fencing instead of some grandiose wall at our southern border will also keep someone like Bernie Sanders from turning our nation into your socialist nightmares. 
There's only a small portion of "the left" that's radical or violent and their voices will be squelched by the more moderate. Just as those they elect will be checked and balanced once in office. 
These extreme worst case scenarios you toss around are fantasy and serve no one - certainly they don't lend credibility to your posts.

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