That's the only thing we can agree on, is that hes not a long term answer, and its doubtful he wants short term contract/money.

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The precedent is that even the most reprehensible players wind up on a roster if they have the talent to be there.  We've seen murderers, abusers (substance and physical), racists, and others who have managed to land on rosters over the years despite their baggage.  

But not as a backup QB. For some reason teams have historically refused to have distractions as backup QBs. For most teams, like Seattle, that's an understandable reason not to bring him in. For a couple teams, maybe just us and the Jets, Kaep is good enough to be the starter.

I think it's a perfect storm of most teams not wanting the distraction of him as the backup, the Jets being in full tank mode, and the one team that he would start for that actually has aspirations of winning is led by the oldest and stodgiest front office man in the league who likely does have personal contempt for Kaep's actions. I do honestly think that almost any other team in the league that had Bortles/Henne as their depth chart would have brought in Kaep by now.

As if that garbage we saw Sunday isn't a distraction lol...

That distraction talk is just another excuse friend. Every team has distractions and a tiny team like this one may actually NEED some national attention. I'm pretty sure the Raiders gained a lot of their national fans by having some negative distractions years ago.

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That's the only thing we can agree on, is that hes not a long term answer, and its doubtful he wants short term contract/money.

How do we know he's not the long-term answer? Is he over 30 yet?

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The precedent is that even the most reprehensible players wind up on a roster if they have the talent to be there.  We've seen murderers, abusers (substance and physical), racists, and others who have managed to land on rosters over the years despite their baggage.  

But not as a backup QB. For some reason teams have historically refused to have distractions as backup QBs. For most teams, like Seattle, that's an understandable reason not to bring him in. For a couple teams, maybe just us and the Jets, Kaep is good enough to be the starter.

I think it's a perfect storm of most teams not wanting the distraction of him as the backup, the Jets being in full tank mode, and the one team that he would start for that actually has aspirations of winning is led by the oldest and stodgiest front office man in the league who likely does have personal contempt for Kaep's actions. I do honestly think that almost any other team in the league that had Bortles/Henne as their depth chart would have brought in Kaep by now.

I think for Coughlin in particular, he doesn't see the upside in bringing in a guy who is only marginally better than what is already here with the added baggage creating a potential distraction bigger than the controversy just signing him would bring.  If Kaepernick had the abilities of one of the high middle tier QBs in the league, they'd consider it.  He doesn't.  The team wouldn't go to the playoffs on the back of Kaepernick this year.  Too many other holes to deal with, and development to be had with the young roster.  At best, he takes a 4 win team to a 5 win team.  Let's strike up the band and have a parade over that kind of improvement.

Sorry, it's just not worth it, and the team has already made that abundantly clear.  So, continuing to harp on about bringing him in is nothing more than wasted energy because it's not going to happen.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

But not as a backup QB. For some reason teams have historically refused to have distractions as backup QBs. For most teams, like Seattle, that's an understandable reason not to bring him in. For a couple teams, maybe just us and the Jets, Kaep is good enough to be the starter.

I think it's a perfect storm of most teams not wanting the distraction of him as the backup, the Jets being in full tank mode, and the one team that he would start for that actually has aspirations of winning is led by the oldest and stodgiest front office man in the league who likely does have personal contempt for Kaep's actions. I do honestly think that almost any other team in the league that had Bortles/Henne as their depth chart would have brought in Kaep by now.

As if that garbage we saw Sunday isn't a distraction lol...

That distraction talk is just another excuse friend. Every team has distractions and a tiny team like this one may actually NEED some national attention. I'm pretty sure the Raiders gained a lot of their national fans by having some negative distractions years ago.

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That's the only thing we can agree on, is that hes not a long term answer, and its doubtful he wants short term contract/money.

How do we know he's not the long-term answer? Is he over 30 yet?

This team is going to be inconsistent until the QB situation is fully addressed.  Kaepernick doesn't do that for this team, and as much as you want to whine about the injustice of it, the decision has been made and the team has moved on.  Maybe you should as well.  The kind of "national attention" Kaepernick would bring here would simply amplify the notion that this franchise is a joke, especially when he shows up and doesn't make a damn bit of difference on the field, which is most likely what would happen.  

This team needs national attention for winning.  They got it in week one, and then the wheels came off this past Sunday.  Who knows which team will show up next week, but you folks who are desperately looking for something to drone on about that won't happen are certainly praying for another bad Bortles game and a loss, I'm sure.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

That's the only thing we can agree on, is that hes not a long term answer, and its doubtful he wants short term contract/money.

Considering he turned down starter money / contract in SF, I think it's safe to say he's not interested in playing for the league minimum filling a backup role.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

But not as a backup QB. For some reason teams have historically refused to have distractions as backup QBs. For most teams, like Seattle, that's an understandable reason not to bring him in. For a couple teams, maybe just us and the Jets, Kaep is good enough to be the starter.

I think it's a perfect storm of most teams not wanting the distraction of him as the backup, the Jets being in full tank mode, and the one team that he would start for that actually has aspirations of winning is led by the oldest and stodgiest front office man in the league who likely does have personal contempt for Kaep's actions. I do honestly think that almost any other team in the league that had Bortles/Henne as their depth chart would have brought in Kaep by now.

I think for Coughlin in particular, he doesn't see the upside in bringing in a guy who is only marginally better than what is already here with the added baggage creating a potential distraction bigger than the controversy just signing him would bring.  If Kaepernick had the abilities of one of the high middle tier QBs in the league, they'd consider it.  He doesn't.  The team wouldn't go to the playoffs on the back of Kaepernick this year.  Too many other holes to deal with, and development to be had with the young roster.  At best, he takes a 4 win team to a 5 win team.  Let's strike up the band and have a parade over that kind of improvement.

Sorry, it's just not worth it, and the team has already made that abundantly clear.  So, continuing to harp on about bringing him in is nothing more than wasted energy because it's not going to happen.

I agree that his whole package is only marginally better than what we have, but I disagree in that the particular skill that he is extremely good at is the skill that our team should value more than any other considering our construction. As has been mentioned, he's 2nd all time in INT%. So from that lens I think he could steer us to a few more wins than what we have.

It's not worth harping about you're right which is why I think I have 3 total posts about him on these boards including this one, but I felt it was worth pointing out some key points others have missed.

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I'll take it a different direction. If this team had Cutler we would be a Super Bowl contender right now. Colin does not present that much of a bump in our playoff hopes but he certainly upgrades the posistion. It's hard to sell you want to win lunch and don't even attempt to have competition for the most important position in all of sports.

If teams don't want Colin because of his stance then say that. People would actually respect that more. I understand how some people may be offended by his protest. I actually don't feel those people are racist for it. We are humans and we are allowed to feel how we feel. But we have to stop with this narrative that he isn't any good. The dude went to a Super Bowl and then went right back to the conference championship the next year. Had another solid season and then dealt with injuries.

His career numbers are better than anything we seen here because they resulted in wins and his win loss record reflects that. It's when people make this argument that he isn't any good, it comes off as disingenuous. If you just don't like it say that.


All of this doesn't even matter because it's too late in the season for him to come here. This should have been handled in March. We could have signed him or Cutler and that still would not have affected any future moves at the position going forward as well as produced at least an 8-8 season with competent qb play.

The team made the decision and that's that.

Go jags

Give Ryan Nassib som playing time Marrone

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But not as a backup QB. For some reason teams have historically refused to have distractions as backup QBs. For most teams, like Seattle, that's an understandable reason not to bring him in. For a couple teams, maybe just us and the Jets, Kaep is good enough to be the starter.

I think it's a perfect storm of most teams not wanting the distraction of him as the backup, the Jets being in full tank mode, and the one team that he would start for that actually has aspirations of winning is led by the oldest and stodgiest front office man in the league who likely does have personal contempt for Kaep's actions. I do honestly think that almost any other team in the league that had Bortles/Henne as their depth chart would have brought in Kaep by now.

I think for Coughlin in particular, he doesn't see the upside in bringing in a guy who is only marginally better than what is already here with the added baggage creating a potential distraction bigger than the controversy just signing him would bring.  If Kaepernick had the abilities of one of the high middle tier QBs in the league, they'd consider it.  He doesn't.  The team wouldn't go to the playoffs on the back of Kaepernick this year.  Too many other holes to deal with, and development to be had with the young roster.  At best, he takes a 4 win team to a 5 win team.  Let's strike up the band and have a parade over that kind of improvement.

Sorry, it's just not worth it, and the team has already made that abundantly clear.  So, continuing to harp on about bringing him in is nothing more than wasted energy because it's not going to happen.

1. Matt Ryan*
   
2. J. Winston
   
3. C. Newton
   
4. D. Brees*
   
5. S. Bradford
   
6. M. Stafford
   
7. M. Glennon
   
8. A. Rodgers*
   
9. D. Prescott
   
10. K. Cousins
    
11. E. Manning*
    
12. C. Wentz
    
13. B. Hoyer
    
14. R. Wilson*
    
15. C. Palmer
    
16. J. Goff
    
17. J. Flacco
    
18. D. Kizer
    
19. A. Dalton
    
20. B. Roethlisburger*
    
21. T. Taylor
    
22. J. Cutler
    
23. T. Brady*
    
24. L. McCown
    
25. D. Watson
    
26. A. Luck/J. Brissett
    
27. B. Bortles
    
28. M. Mariotta
    
29. T. Siemien
    
30. A. Smith
    
31. P. Rivers*
    
32. D. Carr
    

I normally don't take the time out to do this, but I'm going to make you say it...

There are 6 QB's in that list that are beyond reproach. Maybe 7 as I forgot E. Manning. All the rest are young and show promise or have had their ups and downs and been considered for replacing.

Are you telling us Colin can't crack that? How many of those guys took their team to a super bowl?

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I think for Coughlin in particular, he doesn't see the upside in bringing in a guy who is only marginally better than what is already here with the added baggage creating a potential distraction bigger than the controversy just signing him would bring.  If Kaepernick had the abilities of one of the high middle tier QBs in the league, they'd consider it.  He doesn't.  The team wouldn't go to the playoffs on the back of Kaepernick this year.  Too many other holes to deal with, and development to be had with the young roster.  At best, he takes a 4 win team to a 5 win team.  Let's strike up the band and have a parade over that kind of improvement.

Sorry, it's just not worth it, and the team has already made that abundantly clear.  So, continuing to harp on about bringing him in is nothing more than wasted energy because it's not going to happen.

1. Matt Ryan*
   
2. J. Winston
   
3. C. Newton
   
4. D. Brees*
   
5. S. Bradford
   
6. M. Stafford
   
7. M. Glennon
   
8. A. Rodgers*
   
9. D. Prescott
   
10. K. Cousins
    
11. E. Manning*
    
12. C. Wentz
    
13. B. Hoyer
    
14. R. Wilson*
    
15. C. Palmer
    
16. J. Goff
    
17. J. Flacco
    
18. D. Kizer
    
19. A. Dalton
    
20. B. Roethlisburger*
    
21. T. Taylor
    
22. J. Cutler
    
23. T. Brady*
    
24. L. McCown
    
25. D. Watson
    
26. A. Luck/J. Brissett
    
27. B. Bortles
    
28. M. Mariotta
    
29. T. Siemien
    
30. A. Smith
    
31. P. Rivers*
    
32. D. Carr
    

I normally don't take the time out to do this, but I'm going to make you say it...

There are 6 QB's in that list that are beyond reproach. Maybe 7 as I forgot E. Manning. All the rest are young and show promise or have had their ups and downs and been considered for replacing.

Are you telling us Colin can't crack that? How many of those guys took their team to a super bowl?

Has he been signed by any team that YOU identify as being potential landing places because he's better than the incumbent?  

I don't have to tell you anything here.  The fact that he's on the street is all the evidence required to answer your question.  Maybe you should put the effort into visiting the boards of every team you've identified as being replaceable and see why their team hasn't pursued him?  Just a thought.

Indy has a desperate need at QB. They traded for a guy rather than sign such a talented player as Kaepernick. Why do you think that is?

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I think for Coughlin in particular, he doesn't see the upside in bringing in a guy who is only marginally better than what is already here with the added baggage creating a potential distraction bigger than the controversy just signing him would bring.  If Kaepernick had the abilities of one of the high middle tier QBs in the league, they'd consider it.  He doesn't.  The team wouldn't go to the playoffs on the back of Kaepernick this year.  Too many other holes to deal with, and development to be had with the young roster.  At best, he takes a 4 win team to a 5 win team.  Let's strike up the band and have a parade over that kind of improvement.

Sorry, it's just not worth it, and the team has already made that abundantly clear.  So, continuing to harp on about bringing him in is nothing more than wasted energy because it's not going to happen.

1. Matt Ryan*
   
2. J. Winston
   
3. C. Newton
   
4. D. Brees*
   
5. S. Bradford
   
6. M. Stafford
   
7. M. Glennon
   
8. A. Rodgers*
   
9. D. Prescott
   
10. K. Cousins
    
11. E. Manning*
    
12. C. Wentz
    
13. B. Hoyer
    
14. R. Wilson*
    
15. C. Palmer
    
16. J. Goff
    
17. J. Flacco
    
18. D. Kizer
    
19. A. Dalton
    
20. B. Roethlisburger*
    
21. T. Taylor
    
22. J. Cutler
    
23. T. Brady*
    
24. L. McCown
    
25. D. Watson
    
26. A. Luck/J. Brissett
    
27. B. Bortles
    
28. M. Mariotta
    
29. T. Siemien
    
30. A. Smith
    
31. P. Rivers*
    
32. D. Carr
    

I normally don't take the time out to do this, but I'm going to make you say it...

There are 6 QB's in that list that are beyond reproach. Maybe 7 as I forgot E. Manning. All the rest are young and show promise or have had their ups and downs and been considered for replacing.

Are you telling us Colin can't crack that? How many of those guys took their team to a super bowl?

This kind of proves that "Colin Keapernick isnt any better than 64 qbs in the league" narrative is just trash and a false talking point. To the casual fan and non football watcher, that narrative works but to those who actually watch football, you know that is far from the truth.

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I'll take it a different direction. If this team had Cutler we would be a Super Bowl contender right now. Colin does not present that much of a bump in our playoff hopes but he certainly upgrades the posistion. It's hard to sell you want to win lunch and don't even attempt to have competition for the most important position in all of sports.

If teams don't want Colin because of his stance then say that. People would actually respect that more. I understand how some people may be offended by his protest. I actually don't feel those people are racist for it. We are humans and we are allowed to feel how we feel. But we have to stop with this narrative that he isn't any good. The dude went to a Super Bowl and then went right back to the conference championship the next year. Had another solid season and then dealt with injuries.

His career numbers are better than anything we seen here because they resulted in wins and his win loss record reflects that. It's  when people make this argument that he isn't any good, it comes off as disingenuous. If you just don't like it say that.


All of this doesn't even matter because it's too late in the season for him to come here. This should have been handled in March. We could have signed him or Cutler and that still would not have affected any future moves at the position going forward as well as produced at least an 8-8 season with competent qb play.

The team made the decision and that's that.

Go jags

Give Ryan Nassib som playing time Marrone

Excellent post!

I want people to grab their stones and stop being disingenuous and covert.

Then again, this world wasn't conquered by outright honesty and brute force either, it was mostly covert so that is deeply engrained lol.

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I've got some tomatoes on the vine out back smarter than that idiot Kap. Kneeling isn't the reason he is unemployed. Being dumb enough to do it during a public, televised display encouraging the exact opposite is why he is unemployed. Just too friggin stupid.

Not to mention, the whole thing rings pretty friggin hollow from a multi millionaire who has been afforded everything great this country has to offer.

Plus on top of it. When he did have some success on the field it was because of highly retooled offenses created to fit his limited ability.

No one other than the desperate are going to take that on. Especially now the season has commenced. He will get a job sooner or later as injuries league wide mount no matter his idiocy

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I disagree FBT. I think it is about the best qb right now. We cannot afford to have another 3 win season. Our team is built to win now; if we have a decent qb. If we play for a QB in the draft, our built team won't last. I think we can win our division with kaep. And in the playoffs anything can happen. We all know with Bortles, our season is done. Teams are going to do what they did with mjd when we had gabbert. They can't do that with kaep. It is about now. This team will not survive another year like the last three. We need to win now while we have a stout defense and a good to great run game. I agree that at the moment he isn't the future. But what if he got us into the playoffs and everything looked better? Could he not be at that point? I think the chance is worth it right now. We have nothing to lose. It's the same loss as sticking with Bortles...

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Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!

I've got some tomatoes on the vine out back smarter than that idiot Kap. Kneeling isn't the reason he is unemployed. Being dumb enough to do it during a public, televised display encouraging the exact opposite is why he is unemployed. Just too friggin stupid.

Not to mention, the whole thing rings pretty friggin hollow from a multi millionaire who has been afforded everything great this country has to offer.

Plus on top of it. When he did have some success on the field it was because of highly retooled offenses created to fit his limited ability.

No one other than the desperate are going to take that on. Especially now the season has commenced. He will get a job sooner or later as injuries league wide mount no matter his idiocy

Someone with stones!

Exactly WHAT did the kneeling do to disparage you or this country?

What QB doesn't have an offense built to cater to it's QB?

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So ain't none of y'all took the time to watch these Nassib cut ups yet? This dude looks pretty nice fam. I'm actually excited.

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I disagree FBT. I think it is about the best qb right now. We cannot afford to have another 3 win season. Our team is built to win now; if we have a decent qb. If we play for a QB in the draft, our built team won't last. I think we can win our division with kaep. And in the playoffs anything can happen. We all know with Bortles, our season is done. Teams are going to do what they did with mjd when we had gabbert. They can't do that with kaep. It is about now. This team will not survive another year like the last three. We need to win now while we have a stout defense and a good to great run game. I agree that at the moment he isn't the future. But what if he got us into the playoffs and everything looked better? Could he not be at that point? I think the chance is worth it right now. We have nothing to lose. It's the same loss as sticking with Bortles...

This team isn't built to win now, IMO.  There were too many holes to fill this off season, and there are still issues with that offensive line and the lack of TE talent.  Both of these are an impediment to any QB taking snaps, especially one who hasn't been in this system 3 weeks into the season coming in off the street.  Adding Kaepernick to the roster isn't going to change a single thing about how teams defend us.  They're going to load the box up and challenge the QB to beat them.  Sorry, but Kaepernick isn't going to strike fear in any defenses if he's out there.


This team is going to be better this year than they have been over the past few years.  They've lost one game.  To think that's it and unless we bring in a marginal QB talent with a low football IQ the team will continue to struggle is silly.  He won't make enough of a difference to take this team any further than what we have on the roster now.  Kaepernick isn't taking this team to the playoffs this year.  You can try to spin this any way you see fit, but that ship has sailed, so fantasizing about the what ifs is pointless.  Let's deal with the here and now and let this fantasy go because it's not happening no matter how much a small segment of fans stomp their feet and throw tantrums trying to force the issue.  The front office is going to do what is best for the team now and for the long term, and they've registered their vote on the subject and moved on.  Sooner or later the rest of you will have to do so as well.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I've got some tomatoes on the vine out back smarter than that idiot Kap. Kneeling isn't the reason he is unemployed. Being dumb enough to do it during a public, televised display encouraging the exact opposite is why he is unemployed. Just too friggin stupid.

Not to mention, the whole thing rings pretty friggin hollow from a multi millionaire who has been afforded everything great this country has to offer.

Plus on top of it. When he did have some success on the field it was because of highly retooled offenses created to fit his limited ability.

No one other than the desperate are going to take that on. Especially now the season has commenced. He will get a job sooner or later as injuries league wide mount no matter his idiocy

Someone with stones!

Exactly WHAT did the kneeling do to disparage you or this country?

What QB doesn't have an offense built to cater to it's QB?

There's an entire thread in the political section of this board where that discussion can be had.  Take it there if you want to get a response to that.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I thought the whole Kaepernick thing was pretty abundantly obvious by now, but I guess not.

Kaep is a distraction. Whether you like it or not, whether its his fault or not, whether its fair or not, it is fact. In the NFL, once you become a media distraction, your career is over. Being an average, above average, or even good quarterback doesn't matter. You better be a top 10 quarterback that can put a team on your back and carry a bad team through the playoffs to outweigh the distractions and get a contract. Tim Tebow, wherever he falls on the spectrum, was not an elite quarterback; hence why his last games were playoff starts as a second year player only to see leaguewide banishment shortly thereafter. Kaepernick is not an elite quarterback. His career is likely over.

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I'll take it a different direction. If this team had Cutler we would be a Super Bowl contender right now. Colin does not present that much of a bump in our playoff hopes but he certainly upgrades the position. It's hard to sell you want to win lunch and don't even attempt to have competition for the most important position in all of sports.

If teams don't want Colin because of his stance then say that. People would actually respect that more. I understand how some people may be offended by his protest. I actually don't feel those people are racist for it. We are humans and we are allowed to feel how we feel. But we have to stop with this narrative that he isn't any good. The dude went to a Super Bowl and then went right back to the conference championship the next year. Had another solid season and then dealt with injuries.

His career numbers are better than anything we seen here because they resulted in wins and his win loss record reflects that. It's  when people make this argument that he isn't any good, it comes off as disingenuous. If you just don't like it say that.


All of this doesn't even matter because it's too late in the season for him to come here. This should have been handled in March. We could have signed him or Cutler and that still would not have affected any future moves at the position going forward as well as produced at least an 8-8 season with competent qb play.

The team made the decision and that's that.

Go jags

Give Ryan Nassib some playing time Marrone

Not that anyone cares, but I agree with this post

... thanks for saving me the toner

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13 Pages on a Ryan Nassib topic

Congrats ... the Jags fans made this dude relevant for the 1st time since college.

#OnlyDaJags

Only really like 3 pages of Nassib, the others, well not Nassib.

He is a very curious signing to me. Why not weeks ago? Why cut Allen? Very odd.

I assume just hedging their bets.

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