I think Campbell and Church both had their replacements drafted this year. So those guys are about as good as gone.
Dareus, jackson, and Gipson are only here for another season or two as well.

We have 18 mil in cap space to roll over, which would put us about even-ish going into next season making no cuts/signings.

I wouldn't worry about it. There is no way Yannick or Ramsey are going anywhere.

We are currently 31 million over the cap for 2019, 18 million rollover would not have us at break even, we'd still be 13 million over the cap.

Where you getting that number from?
I just heard yesterday we're 19 mil over the cap for next year, which 18 mil would about break even...

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Agreed on everything, except I doubt Jalen would play under the option if he keeps playing like this.

He doesn't really get a choice though

I mean look at Mack and Donald this year. All holdouts from the option. That could easily be Jalen. We will see if those players  go into the season holding out.

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He doesn't really get a choice though

I mean look at Mack and Donald this year. All holdouts from the option. That could easily be Jalen. We will see if those players  go into the season holding out.

Not all teams and rosters operate the same though.
Raiders defense wasn't that good even with Khalil Mack and the offense dumped a ton of money into the QB.
Rams weren't that great early in the season on D. Maxing out Donald will hurt them when it is time to turn to offensive players like Goff.

Our team will be letting go of high contract free agents at the same time we'll be addressing contracts of core players.


Sure... Ramsey could hold out in theory, but I doubt our front office ever lets it get there.
Before he's on his 5th year option he'll be extended. He'll be the highest paid CB in the league at the time.


Rams should have already gotten the deal done with Donald imo.
Mack too but as I said, Raiders have had questionable money management since being about where Jville was cap situation-wise a few seasons ago.

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You guys are forgetting Myles Jack. It's not just Yannick and Jalen we need to re-sign. Jack will command a large salary as well.

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Honestly if they can find a way to win a Superbowl between now and 2020 I'll be fine with anybody departing this team. Realistically I think they'll all be here after 2020 though.

It'll be guys like Dareus, Gipson, Church, Campbell and Jackson that either get released or won't get brought back once their contracts expire which ultimately should give us more than enough space or wiggle room to retain these three.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I have much confidence in our GM. I firmly believe that he is not resting on the talent that is already on the roster. Have we already forgotten how this past draft went? The three guys mentioned by the OP are fantastic guys, and I would LOVE to see them have long, successful and lucrative careers with the franchise. But, if Dave can find equal talent at a significantly lower price tag, I'm happy to watch another team pay out the ears for Ramsey, Jack, Yannick, or anyone else on the squad.

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We are currently 31 million over the cap for 2019, 18 million rollover would not have us at break even, we'd still be 13 million over the cap.

Where you getting that number from?
I just heard yesterday we're 19 mil over the cap for next year, which 18 mil would about break even...

Are you sure the $19M number doesn't already include a reduction from the $18M rollover?

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Where you getting that number from?
I just heard yesterday we're 19 mil over the cap for next year, which 18 mil would about break even...

Are you sure the $19M number doesn't already include a reduction from the $18M rollover?

I'm not sure actually.
I just remember hearing those numbers separately.

Using Spotrac we're at -31 mil for 2019, so take away 18 mil rollover we'd be at -13....
so I'm honestly not sure who has all the right info... but I think Johnny O was where I saw the cap issue basically ignored as 'not an issue'.

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You guys are forgetting Myles Jack. It's not just Yannick and Jalen we need to re-sign.  Jack will command a large salary as well.

Will he?
If he plays on the Bobby Wagner level... I suppose he'd be worth 12 mil per year... but that's tops of the league right now... He'll need some seriously awesome games to hit that level, imo.
Even still 4-3 MLB contracts don't get too crazy

Also... these guys aren't all getting deals at the same time.
Jack and Yannick contracts expire in 2020... Ramsey has a 5th year option.

As the old guys go... these guys will get paid...

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I mean look at Mack and Donald this year. All holdouts from the option. That could easily be Jalen. We will see if those players  go into the season holding out.

Not all teams and rosters operate the same though.
Raiders defense wasn't that good even with Khalil Mack and the offense dumped a ton of money into the QB.
Rams weren't that great early in the season on D. Maxing out Donald will hurt them when it is time to turn to offensive players like Goff.

Our team will be letting go of high contract free agents at the same time we'll be addressing contracts of core players.


Sure... Ramsey could hold out in theory, but I doubt our front office ever lets it get there.
Before he's on his 5th year option he'll be extended. He'll be the highest paid CB in the league at the time.


Rams should have already gotten the deal done with Donald imo.
Mack too but as I said, Raiders have had questionable money management since being about where Jville was cap situation-wise a few seasons ago.

Agreed. In the event that the FO falls and bumps their heads and he isn't extended by that time, there is no way Jalen plays under the option and he shouldn't either. I do strongly believe that the FO wouldn't let it get there and extend him before that.

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I have much confidence in our GM. I firmly believe that he is not resting on the talent that is already on the roster.  Have we already forgotten how this past draft went? The three guys mentioned by the OP are fantastic guys, and I would LOVE to see them have long, successful and lucrative careers with the franchise.  But, if Dave can find equal talent at a significantly lower price tag, I'm happy to watch another team pay out the ears for Ramsey, Jack, Yannick, or anyone else on the squad.

I respectfully disagree. Jalen Ramsey may be the most talented cornerback ever to come out of FSU--and I'm including HOF Deion Sanders. He's a once-in-a-lifetime talent...even if he could be replaced, it won't be done on the cheap.

Yannick is the best pass rusher this franchise has every drafted. When it comes to drafting pass rushers, or acquiring FA pass rushers, the Jaguars seem to be snake bit. So many busts, so many  high priced free agents who play well...then suffer career-ending injuries. Not only is Yannick a top pass rusher, he's great at turnovers. He can not be replaced.


Myles Jack maybe the most replaceable of the three. I'm greedy. I want him in Jax. I think he's just scratching the surface of what he can do. And is it really easy to replace the signal caller of the defense? I don't know.

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I have much confidence in our GM. I firmly believe that he is not resting on the talent that is already on the roster.  Have we already forgotten how this past draft went? The three guys mentioned by the OP are fantastic guys, and I would LOVE to see them have long, successful and lucrative careers with the franchise.  But, if Dave can find equal talent at a significantly lower price tag, I'm happy to watch another team pay out the ears for Ramsey, Jack, Yannick, or anyone else on the squad.

I respectfully disagree. Jalen Ramsey may be the most talented cornerback ever to come out of FSU--and I'm including HOF Deion Sanders. He's a once-in-a-lifetime talent...even if he could be replaced, it won't be done on the cheap.

Yannick is the best pass rusher this franchise has every drafted. When it comes to drafting pass rushers, or acquiring FA pass rushers, the Jaguars seem to be snake bit. So many busts, so many  high priced free agents who play well...then suffer career-ending injuries. Not only is Yannick a top pass rusher, he's great at turnovers. He can not be replaced.


Myles Jack maybe the most replaceable of the three. I'm greedy. I want him in Jax. I think he's just scratching the surface of what he can do. And is it really easy to replace the signal caller of the defense? I don't know.

I might be a little less respectful in my disagreement about Ramsey.
Yannick? Maaaaybe (but that's a stretch to think you're gonna draft another double digit sack and force fumble master, especially in the 3rd.... look no further than overdrafted/underwhelming no 3 overall Fowler)
Jack... sure... I can see them letting him get paid by someone else. And if that were the route they decided to go, I wouldn't create much fuss.

But King Ramsey?
Psssh... They let that dude walk and I might hang my teal up... especially when he's still in his PrimeTime...(see what I did there?)

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Worrying about cap space for 2020.

SMH.

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Again... we are actually doing extremely well with the finances and the cap. All of our guys are gonna get taken care of with ease.

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Are you sure the $19M number doesn't already include a reduction from the $18M rollover?

I'm not sure actually.
I just remember hearing those numbers separately.

Using Spotrac we're at -31 mil for 2019, so take away 18 mil rollover we'd be at -13....
so I'm honestly not sure who has all the right info... but I think Johnny O was where I saw the cap issue basically ignored as 'not an issue'.

I'll try to clear this up...

Basically, Spotrac says the Jaguars are $31.4 mil over where Overthecap says they are $19.4 mil over. So let's work this out...

For starters, let's figure out the Jaguars total cap for 2019. According to Spotrac, it's $218.36 mil where Overthecap has the Jaguars at $217.9 mil. These are close, so to be safe I'll use the higher figure of $218.4 mil. 

Next up, we need to look at their salary cap estimate for 2019. Spotrac uses $187 mil which is where they are this year, but it's more likely to increase a little. Overthecap uses a $190 mil estimate which I feel is closer to what it will be. So in this case, I'm ditching the safer route for what appears to be the more accurate route and I'll use $190 mil. This, in turn, brings Spotrac's figure to $28.4 mil over.

Next, we have to consider that only the top 51 contracts count against the cap in the offseason, which means they don't have to account for the entire $218.4 mil. Overthecap figures the Jaguars top 51 contracts to account for $209.4 mil. I'm contemplating if I should add the $500,000 because of the total cap difference, but actually, that amount is more likely the addition of another minimum wage contract which would not count under top 51 rules. So I'm going to say this $209.4 mil figure is correct for the top 51.

The difference between their total cap of $218.4 mil and the top 51 amount of $209.4 mil is $9 mil. Taking $9 mil off my latest Spotrac figure of $28.4 mil brings us to $19.4 mil over the cap.

The lower Overthecap figure is correct, and this is not accounting for any turnover money. So, if there is $18 mil in rollover money, this would bring the Jaguars to $1.4 mil over the cap.

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I'm looking to verify where the Jaguars are currently under the cap to know if that $18 mil rollover estimate is in the ballpark.

According to Overthecap, the Jaguars are $18.9 mil under a $206.7 mil cap (includes rollover from 2017 and adjustments). An $18.9 mil rollover would leave the Jaguars a mere $500,000 over their $190 mil cap estimate for 2019.

Spotrac, on the other hand, only has the Jaguars $11.3 mil under a $205 mil cap right now.  Again, there's a discrepancy to figure out...

Spotrac uses a base cap figure for all teams this year of  $177.2 mil. They added $27.8 mil in rollover money from 2017 to get to their $205 mil adjusted cap. Overthecap is also using $177.2 mil, so they're in agreement on the base cap number.

So why the $1.7 mil difference for the Jaguars adjusted cap. I suspect this may have to do with incentives adjustments having already noticed that Spotrac's figure is strictly the base cap plus rollover money. According to Overthecap, they use the following formula...

Team Salary Cap = (Base Salary Cap) + (Carryover) +/- (Adjustments)

My guess is that the difference is these adjustments, and that again Overthecap's number for the Jaguars adjusted cap is correct at $206.7 mil. This, in turn, brings the Spotrac estimate to $13 mil under, but there's still a difference of nearly $6 mil. Spotrac has our current cap around $193 mil where Overthecap only has us at $187 mil.

I would have to figure out why the discrepancy in their current cap amount to know if we're $18.9 mil under or only $13 mil under right now.

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Yes we can keep them all, but it's going to be painful since it means losing many of the high dollar FA vets that played a huge part in getting us to this level. Dave's job is finally past the easy mode phase of top 5 picks and an unlimited FA $$$ gravy train. Now he gets to earn his accolades.

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You know I'd dig deeper.

So, the Overthecap estimate for the Jaguars cap of $187.78 mil under is the top 51 active contracts, however, from my years of following the cap I know you're supposed to include any dead cap cap hits among the top 51 and then account for the additional dead money. Overthecap is not accounting for any dead money.

Chris Ivory carries a $3 mil dead money hit which should actually be included in the top 51 instead of Ben Koyack's $630,000 cap hit. There's another $1.44 mil in additional dead money that also has to be included. The Spotrac figure appears to include this and more, which might be accounting for the rookie pool contracts that would count under top 51 rules. The Jaguars rookie pool is $5.42 mil, but later round picks and UDFAs won't count under top 51 rules. 

With all of this in mind, I'll go with Spotrac's $193.7 mil figure for the Jaguars current cap under top 51 rules, which in turn puts them at $13 mil under to possibly roll over.


If we're able to subtract $13 mil in rollover money from the $19.4 mil over figure, the Jaguars are $6.4 mil over the 2019 cap.

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We need to do what’s right for the world and bring back Jags02’s salary cap thread. We haven’t needed it for ten years or so because the team was bad, but the time has come.

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This is why you draft well, so you aren't stuck gutting the cap for 3 players. I have this terrible feeling Ramsey ends up in a Tack jersey when its all said and done.

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This is why you draft well, so you aren't stuck gutting the cap for 3 players. I have this terrible feeling Ramsey ends up in a Tack jersey when its all said and done.

You should be more worried about our sun becoming a red giant and evaporating the earth. It will happen sooner than Ramsey wearing another teams jersey.

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