Who?

Exactly.

Pretty sure it's the guy that has Rypien #1 right now and had Kurt Benkert #1 last year.

Lol

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Add that whatsondraftNFL guy to the list of people who think Grier is a day 3 talent.

Who?

I don't know his evaluation talent level, but he's about the main guy doing cutups nowadays it appears. He's watched and cut a metric crapton of video at the very least.

My point is what I said several pages back, Grier is going to be the most polarizing prospect in this years draft. You can find guys that have Herbert as QB3 or so but no one that has him out of the first round. Grier you find him on the spectrum all the way from QB1 to "deep day 3".

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Who?

I don't know his evaluation talent level, but he's about the main guy doing cutups nowadays it appears. He's watched and cut a metric crapton of video at the very least.

My point is what I said several pages back, Grier is going to be the most polarizing prospect in this years draft. You can find guys that have Herbert as QB3 or so but no one that has him out of the first round. Grier you find him on the spectrum all the way from QB1 to "deep day 3".

I think he'll climb a lot of those boards the way Mayfield climbed last year, even if he didn't have as far to climb. 
Tons of folks were still insistent that Mayfield was QB#4  (or lower) when the draft was about to begin last year. 

For instance  - the whatsondraftNFL guy's rankings from 2018:



I appreciate the guy's dedication to culling through tape, but I'm gonna take his QB opinions with a solid portion of sodium chloride.

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Who?

I don't know his evaluation talent level, but he's about the main guy doing cutups nowadays it appears. He's watched and cut a metric crapton of video at the very least.

My point is what I said several pages back, Grier is going to be the most polarizing prospect in this years draft. You can find guys that have Herbert as QB3 or so but no one that has him out of the first round. Grier you find him on the spectrum all the way from QB1 to "deep day 3".

So despite evidence that his QB evaluation talent leaves A LOT to be desired. You posted his opinion because he agrees with you? 

I like Rypien as my sleeper but based on the rankings from last year. He whiffed a lot and I wouldn't use him as backup to my opinion.

And "broadcast angles only" while it's a decent way to pass time. Unless you can get multiple angles you can't truly evaluate a QB

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I don't know his evaluation talent level, but he's about the main guy doing cutups nowadays it appears. He's watched and cut a metric crapton of video at the very least.

My point is what I said several pages back, Grier is going to be the most polarizing prospect in this years draft. You can find guys that have Herbert as QB3 or so but no one that has him out of the first round. Grier you find him on the spectrum all the way from QB1 to "deep day 3".

So despite evidence that his QB evaluation talent leaves A LOT to be desired. You posted his opinion because he agrees with you? 

I like Rypien as my sleeper but based on the rankings from last year. He whiffed a lot and I wouldn't use him as backup to my opinion.

And "broadcast angles only" while it's a decent way to pass time. Unless you can get multiple angles you can't truly evaluate a QB

Where did I say I agreed with it? I have merely made an observation that evaluators have Grier's stock all over the place, much moreso than any other QB prospect I've seen this year. This guy is not even close to the only person who has had Grier significantly down the list.

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"From a skill-set perspective, Grier's arm strength is a bit of a concern. He has a decent arm, but he has to gear up and be set in order to throw downfield. Here's how one team's scout summarized the arm strength concern with Grier

"Grier has good backup talent. I'm not sold on his arm. Lot of throws die on him when he can't set his feet, and the great NFL QBs have to play with a muddled pocket 75% of the time. Requires a level of twitch, core power, arm strength to get throws off with velocity from unstable platforms. Grier doesn't have that type of arm." "


Clearly a 5th round to undrafted free agent prospect

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So despite evidence that his QB evaluation talent leaves A LOT to be desired. You posted his opinion because he agrees with you? 

I like Rypien as my sleeper but based on the rankings from last year. He whiffed a lot and I wouldn't use him as backup to my opinion.

And "broadcast angles only" while it's a decent way to pass time. Unless you can get multiple angles you can't truly evaluate a QB

Where did I say I agreed with it? I have merely made an observation that evaluators have Grier's stock all over the place, much moreso than any other QB prospect I've seen this year. This guy is not even close to the only person who has had Grier significantly down the list.

You're propping up a guy who has no more credibility than anyone on this board as an "evaluator".

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I didn't prop up anyone...I specifically said I didn't know about his evaluation chops.

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I don't know his evaluation talent level, but he's about the main guy doing cutups nowadays it appears. He's watched and cut a metric crapton of video at the very least.

My point is what I said several pages back, Grier is going to be the most polarizing prospect in this years draft. You can find guys that have Herbert as QB3 or so but no one that has him out of the first round. Grier you find him on the spectrum all the way from QB1 to "deep day 3".

I think he'll climb a lot of those boards the way Mayfield climbed last year, even if he didn't have as far to climb. 
Tons of folks were still insistent that Mayfield was QB#4  (or lower) when the draft was about to begin last year. 

For instance  - the whatsondraftNFL guy's rankings from 2018:



I appreciate the guy's dedication to culling through tape, but I'm gonna take his QB opinions with a solid portion of sodium chloride.

Josh Allen is too high





lol

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"From a skill-set perspective, Grier's arm strength is a bit of a concern. He has a decent arm, but he has to gear up and be set in order to throw downfield. Here's how one team's scout summarized the arm strength concern with Grier

"Grier has good backup talent. I'm not sold on his arm. Lot of throws die on him when he can't set his feet, and the great NFL QBs have to play with a muddled pocket 75% of the time. Requires a level of twitch, core power, arm strength to get throws off with velocity from unstable platforms. Grier doesn't have that type of arm." "


Clearly a 5th round to undrafted free agent prospect

Who are you quoting? 

Post a source or link.

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"From a skill-set perspective, Grier's arm strength is a bit of a concern. He has a decent arm, but he has to gear up and be set in order to throw downfield. Here's how one team's scout summarized the arm strength concern with Grier

"Grier has good backup talent. I'm not sold on his arm. Lot of throws die on him when he can't set his feet, and the great NFL QBs have to play with a muddled pocket 75% of the time. Requires a level of twitch, core power, arm strength to get throws off with velocity from unstable platforms. Grier doesn't have that type of arm." "


Clearly a 5th round to undrafted free agent prospect

No way Grier makes it out of the second round. Heck, he shouldn't even make it out of the first. He might not have the size or the cannon arm but to me, he just had the It factor I look for in a Quarterback.

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"From a skill-set perspective, Grier's arm strength is a bit of a concern. He has a decent arm, but he has to gear up and be set in order to throw downfield. Here's how one team's scout summarized the arm strength concern with Grier

"Grier has good backup talent. I'm not sold on his arm. Lot of throws die on him when he can't set his feet, and the great NFL QBs have to play with a muddled pocket 75% of the time. Requires a level of twitch, core power, arm strength to get throws off with velocity from unstable platforms. Grier doesn't have that type of arm." "


Clearly a 5th round to undrafted free agent prospect

Who are you quoting? 

Post a source or link.

That troll is posting a quote from Charlie Campbell (whoever that is) who "works" for Walterfootball (which is pretty much a trash site, I can't even scroll through a page there's so many pop up ads) who is quoting an unnamed scout source 
Also... it was his write up after the 2017 season and going into this most recent season.

No where, however, does it say clearly a 5th round to undrafted.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2019WGrier.php


This is a pretty terrible draft profile scouting report imo.
Talking about off field concerns (citing a 3 year old bust for an OTC substance, not really busted for PEDs) and "high maintenance" family....

wut?

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Who are you quoting? 

Post a source or link.

That troll is posting a quote from Charlie Campbell (whoever that is) who "works" for Walterfootball (which is pretty much a trash site, I can't even scroll through a page there's so many pop up ads) who is quoting an unnamed scout source 
...

Gotcha.
Figured it was something like that.

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Who are you quoting? 

Post a source or link.

That troll is posting a quote from Charlie Campbell (whoever that is) who "works" for Walterfootball (which is pretty much a trash site, I can't even scroll through a page there's so many pop up ads) who is quoting an unnamed scout source 
Also... it was his write up after the 2017 season and going into this most recent season.

No where, however, does it say clearly a 5th round to undrafted.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2019WGrier.php


This is a pretty terrible draft profile scouting report imo.
Talking about off field concerns (citing a 3 year old bust for an OTC substance, not really busted for PEDs) and "high maintenance" family....

wut?

The whole high maintenance family thing comes from his brothers. Two younger brothers are both social media guys,  his brother Nash is extremely popular on there. Will is not even the most popular of the brothers. That being said, the report is terrible reporting. Will is by all means an extremely mature individual with a wife and a baby girl. Very different from his younger brothers, saw a cool documentary on it on YouTube. I think it’s a huge positive how mature he is at his age and being a heisman candidate in college with wife/kid/house. 

That being said I’m still on the fence with him as a talent. I see him more as a 2/3 round talent. It seems to take him a lot of movement to get off throws that take high velocity. Is he better than what we got? Yeah. Top 10 pick? I can’t get on board yet with that.

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I'm thinking Will might be there when the Jags pick in round two unless a team trades up to the tail end of round one. A few things concern me about him that remind me of Gabbert. That is, he's from a spread, shot-gun system so he'll have to adjust to a pro-style offense. He does have some poise in the pocket and the ability to stand tall and deliver, but he doesn't have the escapability and athleticism to extend plays. I do like his arm for the most part, but like Gabs, his long passes don't really drop and instead tend to float too long. Unlike Gabs, it does appear he has the ability to see plays opening up downfield, but unless he has a great OL in front of him I'm not sure he'll have the time to hit those deeper passes. 

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'02

There is no such thing as pro-style offense anymore. The league has transitioned to the point where college style offenses are being implemented with great success. That isn't even an argument anymore. Where have yall been the last 5 years?

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A True Fan ladies and gentlemen:

Ramsey for Grier straight up

So, does anyone think we'll have a shot at him outside the top 10? If we win this week, we could very much be out of the top 10.

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Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!

So, does anyone think we'll have a shot at him outside the top 10? If we win this week, we could very much be out of the top 10.

Yeah, because he'll be available in day 3 of the draft because the combine will expose him for his weak arm

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So, does anyone think we'll have a shot at him outside the top 10? If we win this week, we could very much be out of the top 10.

Washington is probably the biggest hurdle in that range.

Teams always overdraft the QB position, and teams with need may do crazy things to jump us and even NYG/Tampa.

I think if he makes it to 20, I start talking to teams about the cost to move back into the round.

I'm unphased by a win or loss this week, as I believe we are going to be doing some maneuvering on draft day regardless.

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So, does anyone think we'll have a shot at him outside the top 10? If we win this week, we could very much be out of the top 10.

Yeah, because he'll be available in day 3 of the draft because the combine will expose him for his weak arm

He may not have the strongest arm in the class, but it's not weak. Finley has a weak arm. Next to Finley, Grier looks like he has a Howlitzer.

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