Yeah, because he'll be available in day 3 of the draft because the combine will expose him for his weak arm

He may not have the strongest arm in the class, but it's not weak. Finley has a weak arm. Next to Finley, Grier looks like he has a Howlitzer.

Grier can make all the throws. He might not have a cannon, but he has enough.

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So, does anyone think we'll have a shot at him outside the top 10? If we win this week, we could very much be out of the top 10.

I believe Haskins and Jones definitely go in round 1. Haskins should easily be the first QB off the board, but for the life of me I no clue why some team would waste a first rounder on Jones, but they will. I then believe Lock and Grier go somewhere in the late first to early second round range and Finley goes in the 3rd to 4th round range.

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this WVU offense without Grier. Is quite the sight to see.

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Him not playing the bowl game just affirms how ill suited he will be as an NFL QB. He's a mental midget. I think I'll end up being right about him in the end.

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A True Fan ladies and gentlemen:

Ramsey for Grier straight up

Him not playing the bowl game just affirms how ill suited he will be as an NFL QB. He's a mental midget. I think I'll end up being right about him in the end.

Is there any QB in this draft that isn't a "mental midget" according to you?

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Him not playing the bowl game just affirms how ill suited he will be as an NFL QB. He's a mental midget. I think I'll end up being right about him in the end.

Yup. He probably won't throw at the combine time hide his weak arm.

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Him not playing the bowl game just affirms how ill suited he will be as an NFL QB. He's a mental midget. I think I'll end up being right about him in the end.

Yup. He probably won't throw at the combine time hide his weak arm.

I heard he got a special invisibility cloak just to hide that arm.

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Him not playing the bowl game just affirms how ill suited he will be as an NFL QB. He's a mental midget. I think I'll end up being right about him in the end.

Is Nick Bosa a mental midget? He sat out the whole season in prep for the draft. Much less a bowl game, lol.

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Him not playing the bowl game just affirms how ill suited he will be as an NFL QB. He's a mental midget. I think I'll end up being right about him in the end.

Is Nick Bosa a mental midget? He sat out the whole season in prep for the draft. Much less a bowl game, lol.

Mental mini midget

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Him not playing the bowl game just affirms how ill suited he will be as an NFL QB. He's a mental midget. I think I'll end up being right about him in the end.

Is there any QB in this draft that isn't a "mental midget" according to you?

Not necessarily. But I don't want any QBs taken in next year's draft. Wait for 2020 to get Tua and Jags are set for 15 years.

Is Nick Bosa a mental midget? He sat out the whole season in prep for the draft. Much less a bowl game, lol.

Yes he is.

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A True Fan ladies and gentlemen:

Ramsey for Grier straight up

Just crunched some quick numbers... Will Grier's average opponent was ranked 95th in pass defense in 2018. That's bad. Best passing defense he faced all year was TCU. For reference his numbers against TCU were essentially identical to Haskins'. Although he did put up an extra touchdown.

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

Just crunched some quick numbers... Will Grier's average opponent was ranked 95th in pass defense in 2018.  That's bad.  Best passing defense he faced all year was TCU.  For reference his numbers against TCU were essentially identical to Haskins'.   Although he did put up an extra touchdown.

Pretty standard for a QB in the big 12

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Just crunched some quick numbers... Will Grier's average opponent was ranked 95th in pass defense in 2018.  That's bad.  Best passing defense he faced all year was TCU.  For reference his numbers against TCU were essentially identical to Haskins'.   Although he did put up an extra touchdown.

Pretty standard for a QB in the big 12

Yeah... I mean... you play who you play. It isn't like he struggled against poor pass defenses. He tore em apart.

I'm so confused on how many people can be so down on a guy that has passed pretty much every eye test and stat test...
his biggest knocks so far are "not big" "not elite arm strength" and "sat out bowl game"


Even as a fan I know he's had some issues with decision making under duress... but heck, I saw Haskins way off target on a couple throws when under duress last night.
These young guys still have room to grow lol

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Pretty standard for a QB in the big 12

Yeah... I mean... you play who you play. It isn't like he struggled against poor pass defenses. He tore em apart.

I'm so confused on how many people can be so down on a guy that has passed pretty much every eye test and stat test...
his biggest knocks so far are "not big" "not elite arm strength" and "sat out bowl game"


Even as a fan I know he's had some issues with decision making under duress... but heck, I saw Haskins way off target on a couple throws when under duress last night.
These young guys still have room to grow lol

I'm a big Grier fan but there are definitely legit questions about how good he can based on limitations he showed in college. Personally I believe these can be overcome in the correct scheme catered to him but I wouldn't agree he passed every eye test at all.

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Yeah... I mean... you play who you play. It isn't like he struggled against poor pass defenses. He tore em apart.

I'm so confused on how many people can be so down on a guy that has passed pretty much every eye test and stat test...
his biggest knocks so far are "not big" "not elite arm strength" and "sat out bowl game"


Even as a fan I know he's had some issues with decision making under duress... but heck, I saw Haskins way off target on a couple throws when under duress last night.
These young guys still have room to grow lol

I'm a big Grier fan but there are definitely legit questions about how good he can based on limitations he showed in college. Personally I believe these can be overcome in the correct scheme catered to him but I wouldn't agree he passed every eye test at all.

IDK.... people questioned arm strength, but I saw him make every throw needed.

People question his size, but it didn't seem like it hindered him at all.
People question his ability vs the rush, and while he didn't always make the best decisions I saw a lot of times where he would side step or step up and keep eyes down field and make a play.
And I saw growth from UF, to each season at WVU.
And accuracy in a system that isn't designed on a lot of behind the LOS stuff. A lot of downfield stuff.

None of the QB prospects are perfect, I'd venture to say rarely is any QB prospect perfect (Luck was the last one I remember talked about like he was flawlessly ready)

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I'm a big Grier fan but there are definitely legit questions about how good he can based on limitations he showed in college. Personally I believe these can be overcome in the correct scheme catered to him but I wouldn't agree he passed every eye test at all.

IDK.... people questioned arm strength, but I saw him make every throw needed.

People question his size, but it didn't seem like it hindered him at all.
People question his ability vs the rush, and while he didn't always make the best decisions I saw a lot of times where he would side step or step up and keep eyes down field and make a play.
And I saw growth from UF, to each season at WVU.
And accuracy in a system that isn't designed on a lot of behind the LOS stuff. A lot of downfield stuff.

None of the QB prospects are perfect, I'd venture to say rarely is any QB prospect perfect (Luck was the last one I remember talked about like he was flawlessly ready)

Eh you'd rarely see Grier whipping it to the sidelines or hitting the deep outs with velocity, he'd generally float those passes, similar to what Rudolph did. There are absolutely throws you don't want him throwing in the NFL.  

Size I don't care about but he could do with more weight.
Love his footwork in the pocket. 
Very accurate and has a quick set up/trigger. 
V good 4th quarter and late game QB

He holds the ball too long and doesn't move through reads quick enough but I like how he holds safeties and moves people off the ball with his eyes. Really good knowledge of what kind of pass suits each of his receivers. Has a bad habit of throwing up yolo ball if he gets difficult coverage.  

He can succeed in the NFL but his flaws are real. He doesn't have the skillset to be a top 10 passer but if you are willing to commit to him he can be built around. Much like the Bengals have done with Dalton some years.

 I don't think anyone has said otherwise about QBs not being perfect.

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IDK.... people questioned arm strength, but I saw him make every throw needed.

People question his size, but it didn't seem like it hindered him at all.
People question his ability vs the rush, and while he didn't always make the best decisions I saw a lot of times where he would side step or step up and keep eyes down field and make a play.
And I saw growth from UF, to each season at WVU.
And accuracy in a system that isn't designed on a lot of behind the LOS stuff. A lot of downfield stuff.

None of the QB prospects are perfect, I'd venture to say rarely is any QB prospect perfect (Luck was the last one I remember talked about like he was flawlessly ready)

Eh you'd rarely see Grier whipping it to the sidelines or hitting the deep outs with velocity, he'd generally float those passes, similar to what Rudolph did. There are absolutely throws you don't want him throwing in the NFL.  

Size I don't care about but he could do with more weight.
Love his footwork in the pocket. 
Very accurate and has a quick set up/trigger. 
V good 4th quarter and late game QB

He holds the ball too long and doesn't move through reads quick enough but I like how he holds safeties and moves people off the ball with his eyes. Really good knowledge of what kind of pass suits each of his receivers. Has a bad habit of throwing up yolo ball if he gets difficult coverage.  

He can succeed in the NFL but his flaws are real. He doesn't have the skillset to be a top 10 passer but if you are willing to commit to him he can be built around. Much like the Bengals have done with Dalton some years.

 I don't think anyone has said otherwise about QBs not being perfect.

I definitely think he'd be a better QB than Dalton because of his ability to manipulate the defense with his eyes. Honestly I think with the WRs we have on the roster and their ability to run after the catch Grier could do some damage if we get a halfway decent OC.

I never really heard his weight being a knock, so i looked it up, 223 seems pretty average for a NFL QB to me.

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Eh you'd rarely see Grier whipping it to the sidelines or hitting the deep outs with velocity, he'd generally float those passes, similar to what Rudolph did. There are absolutely throws you don't want him throwing in the NFL.  

Size I don't care about but he could do with more weight.
Love his footwork in the pocket. 
Very accurate and has a quick set up/trigger. 
V good 4th quarter and late game QB

He holds the ball too long and doesn't move through reads quick enough but I like how he holds safeties and moves people off the ball with his eyes. Really good knowledge of what kind of pass suits each of his receivers. Has a bad habit of throwing up yolo ball if he gets difficult coverage.  

He can succeed in the NFL but his flaws are real. He doesn't have the skillset to be a top 10 passer but if you are willing to commit to him he can be built around. Much like the Bengals have done with Dalton some years.

 I don't think anyone has said otherwise about QBs not being perfect.

I definitely think he'd be a better QB than Dalton because of his ability to manipulate the defense with his eyes. Honestly I think with the WRs we have on the roster and their ability to run after the catch Grier could do some damage if we get a halfway decent OC.

I never really heard his weight being a knock, so i looked it up, 223 seems pretty average for a NFL QB to me.

Dalton was pretty good at that too coming out and we don't see it enough in the WV offense but he can do it.   

Dede and Chark are perfect first for him. Add in a big bodied receiver, a TE and maybe a space back and we're cooking.

Yeah he's listed as 6'2 223 but he's smaller than that. I'd say he's at best 6'1 210
Compare him to Baker who beefed up a lot more but was listed as less. Some more muscle mass would help Grier too but it's a minor thing

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Him not playing the bowl game just affirms how ill suited he will be as an NFL QB. He's a mental midget. I think I'll end up being right about him in the end.

Is Nick Bosa a mental midget? He sat out the whole season in prep for the draft. Much less a bowl game, lol.

Nick took Cardale's 'We ain't come to play school' to a new level.

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Him not playing the bowl game just affirms how ill suited he will be as an NFL QB. He's a mental midget. I think I'll end up being right about him in the end.

game recognizes game.

Literally nobody challenged his thought process for sitting out the bowl. I have a feeling 'the end' is where you pull most of your takes from.

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this WVU offense without Grier. Is quite the sight to see.

No kidding.  No wonder HC Dana Holgerson left to Houston immediately after the game.

... and to think, that backup QB (Allison) was a transfer from Miami.

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