Last year, I would have taken a chance on Jackson, and worked him in the same way the Ravens did.

I also thought Mayfield had the best chance of success... otherwise, I said last year's class was a minefield and a poor class, too.

I see absolutely nothing special in any of these QBs, and am baffled by what some think makes Haskins any different than any of the others... he's extremely green/raw and has nothing that separates him from the others at all.

You also said Jerod Evans was a better bet than Watson and lol’d at me for wanting Mahomes. For what it’s worth, I also said that I would consider Kizer in the 2nd or 3rd, so I’m not trying to pretend that I’m some sort of QB guru.

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Last year, I would have taken a chance on Jackson, and worked him in the same way the Ravens did.

I also thought Mayfield had the best chance of success... otherwise, I said last year's class was a minefield and a poor class, too.

I see absolutely nothing special in any of these QBs, and am baffled by what some think makes Haskins any different than any of the others... he's extremely green/raw and has nothing that separates him from the others at all.

You've said the last 3 classes of QBs have been bad.

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Last year, I would have taken a chance on Jackson, and worked him in the same way the Ravens did.

I also thought Mayfield had the best chance of success... otherwise, I said last year's class was a minefield and a poor class, too.

I see absolutely nothing special in any of these QBs, and am baffled by what some think makes Haskins any different than any of the others... he's extremely green/raw and has nothing that separates him from the others at all.

You've said the last 3 classes of QBs have been bad.

Lol

Now Mayfield and Mahomes battle for the next 15 years.

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It's gonna be hilarious when Tom moves up in the draft to take Drew Lock over Haskins

Smarter than selecting Haskins.

He's fool's gold.

Folks in Ohio are saying he needs to stay in another year to grow (and they're not saying that because they selfishly want him to stay at OH St.)

Personally, I'd pass on both.  But yeah, some folks (and maybe even Tom) are desperate and insistent we draft the future this year.

I just don't see any long term answer in either draft or free agency this season.  Very poor QB crop in the draft, exceptionally so... and only very short term bridges in FA.

If I'd draft, I'd draft Jones.  Otherwise, you're getting a backup ceiling QB.

I live in Ohio. I haven't heard this, except for Ohio State fans. 

Jones is a dumpster fire with poor accuracy.

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It's gonna be hilarious when Tom moves up in the draft to take Drew Lock over Haskins

Smarter than selecting Haskins.

He's fool's gold.

Folks in Ohio are saying he needs to stay in another year to grow (and they're not saying that because they selfishly want him to stay at OH St.)

Personally, I'd pass on both.  But yeah, some folks (and maybe even Tom) are desperate and insistent we draft the future this year.

I just don't see any long term answer in either draft or free agency this season.  Very poor QB crop in the draft, exceptionally so... and only very short term bridges in FA.

If I'd draft, I'd draft Jones.  Otherwise, you're getting a backup ceiling QB.

Pirkstir, you're not giving me anything to deter my desire to see the Jaguars draft Haskins. Of course they think he should return. He's good.

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'02

Last year, I would have taken a chance on Jackson, and worked him in the same way the Ravens did.

I also thought Mayfield had the best chance of success... otherwise, I said last year's class was a minefield and a poor class, too.

I see absolutely nothing special in any of these QBs, and am baffled by what some think makes Haskins any different than any of the others... he's extremely green/raw and has nothing that separates him from the others at all.

I just don't see how you claim this if you've watched him. The guy throws strike after strike, and he's such a natural talent in the pocket. Now it's been pointed out that his stats tend to suffer when he's under pressure, however that tends to happen with any qb. What impresses me about him even when he's under pressure is that you don't see him get rattled. He takes it in stride, and he has the legs to get out and escape when necessary. Heck, the guy pretty much has it all.

Maybe you can show us what you're saying. Go find some game clips that convince you he's no good, and explain to us what you're seeing. Then maybe I can start to come to grasp with your conclusions.

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'02

Last year, I would have taken a chance on Jackson, and worked him in the same way the Ravens did.

I also thought Mayfield had the best chance of success... otherwise, I said last year's class was a minefield and a poor class, too.

I see absolutely nothing special in any of these QBs, and am baffled by what some think makes Haskins any different than any of the others... he's extremely green/raw and has nothing that separates him from the others at all.

You've said the last 3 classes of QBs have been bad.

History shows they were.  Just about every class is worse than advertised... particularly with the TwitterScoutsTM who try to "call" the next star.

And those who emerged as the better of the class?  None were the "consensus" best of class.

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Last year, I would have taken a chance on Jackson, and worked him in the same way the Ravens did.

I also thought Mayfield had the best chance of success... otherwise, I said last year's class was a minefield and a poor class, too.

I see absolutely nothing special in any of these QBs, and am baffled by what some think makes Haskins any different than any of the others... he's extremely green/raw and has nothing that separates him from the others at all.

I just don't see how you claim this if you've watched him. The guy throws strike after strike, and he's such a natural talent in the pocket. Now it's been pointed out that his stats tend to suffer when he's under pressure, however that tends to happen with any qb. What impresses me about him even when he's under pressure is that you don't see him get rattled. He takes it in stride, and he has the legs to get out and escape when necessary. Heck, the guy pretty much has it all.

Maybe you can show us what you're saying. Go find some game clips that convince you he's no good, and explain to us what you're seeing. Then maybe I can start to come to grasp with your conclusions.

He's nothing like you describe.  Maybe you're thinking of someone else.  You certainly haven't been watching Haskins.  Maybe Herbert?

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Smarter than selecting Haskins.

He's fool's gold.

Folks in Ohio are saying he needs to stay in another year to grow (and they're not saying that because they selfishly want him to stay at OH St.)

Personally, I'd pass on both.  But yeah, some folks (and maybe even Tom) are desperate and insistent we draft the future this year.

I just don't see any long term answer in either draft or free agency this season.  Very poor QB crop in the draft, exceptionally so... and only very short term bridges in FA.

If I'd draft, I'd draft Jones.  Otherwise, you're getting a backup ceiling QB.

I live in Ohio. I haven't heard this, except for Ohio State fans. 

Jones is a dumpster fire with poor accuracy.

They were talking about this on 700 just yesterday.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

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I just don't see how you claim this if you've watched him. The guy throws strike after strike, and he's such a natural talent in the pocket. Now it's been pointed out that his stats tend to suffer when he's under pressure, however that tends to happen with any qb. What impresses me about him even when he's under pressure is that you don't see him get rattled. He takes it in stride, and he has the legs to get out and escape when necessary. Heck, the guy pretty much has it all.

Maybe you can show us what you're saying. Go find some game clips that convince you he's no good, and explain to us what you're seeing. Then maybe I can start to come to grasp with your conclusions.

He's nothing like you describe.  Maybe you're thinking of someone else.  You certainly haven't been watching Haskins.  Maybe Herbert?

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No, I've been watching Haskins and I'm talking about him. My only big question about Haskins is that I don't feel his deep game is as refined as Lock's or Grier's. Haskins has a big enough arm to get it out there, but Lock can literally hit anywhere on the field where Haskins is more of a master in the short-to-intermediate range.

The problem with Lock is that he just doesn't have much pocket presence by comparison to Haskins or Grier. Grier isn't as great in the short-to-intermediate range as Haskins, and his deep game isn't as great as Lock's, but he sort of has a little of everything. In the pocket, Grier doesn't quite have the physical presence that Haskins has, but at least he'll move to avoid pressure where Lock is almost a sitting duck unless you give him a lane to run forward. That said, Lock's ability to nail the deep strikes is tough to contend with, but he just doesn't have that natural qb ability to avoid pressure and he doesn't have all that much of a short game. He's great at striking deep but doesn't always keep the chains moving where Haskins is great at converting first downs.


BTW, watch their feet. If you watch their feet it's easy to conclude that Haskins is very impressive how he places and uses his feet along with how he puts his body into his throws. Grier is easily the next most impressive as his footwork looks very natural. Lock, tho, can seriously use some work on his footwork. He's sort of a wild card to me because his deep passing game is so great, at least at times, but the rest of his game leaves me scratching my head a little. 

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He's nothing like you describe.  Maybe you're thinking of someone else.  You certainly haven't been watching Haskins.  Maybe Herbert?

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No, I've been watching Haskins and I'm talking about him. My only big question about Haskins is that I don't feel his deep game is as refined as Lock's or Grier's. Haskins has a big enough arm to get it out there, but Lock can literally hit anywhere on the field where Haskins is more of a master in the short-to-intermediate range.

The problem with Lock is that he just doesn't have much pocket presence by comparison to Haskins or Grier. Grier isn't as great in the short-to-intermediate range as Haskins, and his deep game isn't as great as Lock's, but he sort of has a little of everything. In the pocket, Grier doesn't quite have the physical presence that Haskins has, but at least he'll move to avoid pressure where Lock is almost a sitting duck unless you give him a lane to run forward. That said, Lock's ability to nail the deep strikes is tough to contend with, but he just doesn't have that natural qb ability to avoid pressure and he doesn't have all that much of a short game. He's great at striking deep but doesn't always keep the chains moving where Haskins is great at converting first downs.


BTW, watch their feet. If you watch their feet it's easy to conclude that Haskins is very impressive how he places and uses his feet along with how he puts his body into his throws. Grier is easily the next most impressive as his footwork looks very natural. Lock, tho, can seriously use some work on his footwork. He's sort of a wild card to me because his deep passing game is so great, at least at times, but the rest of his game leaves me scratching my head a little. 

With regard to Lock's weaknesses, in some ways he reminds me of another Missouri quarterback who was drafted by the Jaguars. We all know how that turned out. I'd be all for Haskins in the first, Grier in the 2nd (possibly trade up a little) and Lock as an undrafted free agent. In hindsight, that's about what Gabbert was worth.

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https://twitter.com/danielrpopper/status...0532285440

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HE LOOKS GOOOOOOD

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I’m excited about him. I’m hoping the giants don’t pull the trigger. But a Beckham, Haskins, Barkley, Ingram combo might be too hard to pass on.

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You've said the last 3 classes of QBs have been bad.

History shows they were.  Just about every class is worse than advertised... particularly with the TwitterScoutsTM who try to "call" the next star.

And those who emerged as the better of the class?  None were the "consensus" best of class.

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I just don't see how you claim this if you've watched him. The guy throws strike after strike, and he's such a natural talent in the pocket. Now it's been pointed out that his stats tend to suffer when he's under pressure, however that tends to happen with any qb. What impresses me about him even when he's under pressure is that you don't see him get rattled. He takes it in stride, and he has the legs to get out and escape when necessary. Heck, the guy pretty much has it all.

Maybe you can show us what you're saying. Go find some game clips that convince you he's no good, and explain to us what you're seeing. Then maybe I can start to come to grasp with your conclusions.

He's nothing like you describe.  Maybe you're thinking of someone else.  You certainly haven't been watching Haskins.  Maybe Herbert?

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I live in Ohio. I haven't heard this, except for Ohio State fans. 

Jones is a dumpster fire with poor accuracy.

They were talking about this on 700 just yesterday.

I listen to 1530 for all my local sports. I can't stand the announcers on 700 WLW. It's like the sports version of Fox News. It's tons of conservative radio hosts surrounded by like one or two sports shows. I want stations totally dedicated to sports.

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You've said the last 3 classes of QBs have been bad.

History shows they were.  Just about every class is worse than advertised... particularly with the TwitterScoutsTM who try to "call" the next star.

And those who emerged as the better of the class?  None were the "consensus" best of class.

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I just don't see how you claim this if you've watched him. The guy throws strike after strike, and he's such a natural talent in the pocket. Now it's been pointed out that his stats tend to suffer when he's under pressure, however that tends to happen with any qb. What impresses me about him even when he's under pressure is that you don't see him get rattled. He takes it in stride, and he has the legs to get out and escape when necessary. Heck, the guy pretty much has it all.

Maybe you can show us what you're saying. Go find some game clips that convince you he's no good, and explain to us what you're seeing. Then maybe I can start to come to grasp with your conclusions.

He's nothing like you describe.  Maybe you're thinking of someone else.  You certainly haven't been watching Haskins.  Maybe Herbert?

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I live in Ohio. I haven't heard this, except for Ohio State fans. 

Jones is a dumpster fire with poor accuracy.

They were talking about this on 700 just yesterday.

You think Herbert possesses all those qualities and Haskins doesn’t?

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You've said the last 3 classes of QBs have been bad.

History shows they were.  Just about every class is worse than advertised... particularly with the TwitterScoutsTM who try to "call" the next star.

And those who emerged as the better of the class?  None were the "consensus" best of class.

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Tell me more about how the history shows the 2017 class being "bad".  

You missed badly on that class because you didn't know what you were looking at. Your reasoning for Watson not being good was based on the premise that if he was any good he'd be the #1 pick. You were woefully incorrect.  

So I'll ask again and see if we can get some actual analysis out of you, what does Drew Lock do better than Haskins other than have a bigger arm? What traits is Haskins missing from his game that makes you think he won't be any good?

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https://twitter.com/danielrpopper/status...0532285440

Looks better then him in a giants uni.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Wait, someone really said "history has shown that" the last 3 draft classes that include Goff, Wentz, Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, and Mayfield (with Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and Ljax still up in the air) were bad classes. That's...well...yikes.

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Wait, someone really said "history has shown that" the last 3 draft classes that include Goff, Wentz, Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, and Mayfield (with Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and Ljax still up in the air). That's...well...yikes.

Give me literally any of those QBs and I feel a lot better about this team than I currently do.

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Haskins posted a photoshopped picture of him in a Giants uniform. He doesn't want to be with us lol 

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Haskins posted a photoshopped picture of him in a Giants uniform. He doesn't want to be with us lol 

Read this whole thread and look at the one he posted in a Jags uniform.

He also doesn’t have a say in who drafts him so it doesn’t matter what he does on social media.

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