If Haskins isn't possible (and they refuse to consider Murray, which is probably likely) then I'd much prefer them to trade back from 7 and pick up some extra picks, one of which could go on the QB later in the first. It doesn't appear there is much value for an offensive player at 7 tbh, and drafting a defensive player would cause a meltdown of sorts. Especially if they then gave away one of our 3rds to trade back into the first. If we can't get Haskins, and won't get Murray, then trade back and get more much-needed picks.

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It's true, and I understand there are valid reasons for concern with Murray. But screw it, I'm willing to put it on record that I absolutely think he will be a special player in this league and could well be next on the long list of QBs the Jags regret not drafting.

There were reports that as of right now, most teams don't view the No 5/6 prospect up to No 23-24 prospect that differently. If that is the case, it may be very difficult to trade back.


Also just drafting a QB by trading back into the 1st round because it is a QB is bad strategy of reaching and using draft capital just to take random shot. Unless they truly value one of those QB at that level.

Of course, reaching for any position is a bad strategy, but with QBs sometimes it's a necessary evil.

You're right though, it could well be difficult to trade down. We would have to hope that one of the big defensive names is there at 7 and someone sees the need to jump up and get them.

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Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good. If we like a QB, and we think we can get him at 12 instead of 7, what's the difference? Take him at 7. QB is such an important position, it's just not worth risking losing your guy over a possible additional 3rd round pick.

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Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.  If we like a QB, and we think we can get him at 12 instead of 7, what's the difference?   Take him at 7.   QB is such an important position, it's just not worth risking losing your guy over a possible additional 3rd round pick.

The flip side of that is you don't see much separation between QB prospects and you're mainly taking one because you were instructed to by higher ups to keep the mouth breathers that will get angry if Bortles is still on the roster come May buying tickets. In that case trading back to start stockpiling picks for next year or the year after when you have to take a QB again because you decided to flush a first rounder in a down year for QBs makes total sense.

Not to say I think that absolutely is the case, but the last reason you want to be taking a QB is because you're trying to fill a roster slot or sell tickets. It's quite possible that this year is 2013 again.

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Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.  If we like a QB, and we think we can get him at 12 instead of 7, what's the difference?   Take him at 7.   QB is such an important position, it's just not worth risking losing your guy over a possible additional 3rd round pick.

I love this saying!

May I borrow it?

Regarding your post as a whole, I agree with the overall sentiment.  If you have several guys at the same level and you feel confident you could trade back and get your guy, then fine.

But QB is different.  It's rare that a team can trade back and still get their QB.

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Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.  If we like a QB, and we think we can get him at 12 instead of 7, what's the difference?   Take him at 7.   QB is such an important position, it's just not worth risking losing your guy over a possible additional 3rd round pick.

The flip side of that is you don't see much separation between QB prospects and you're mainly taking one because you were instructed to by higher ups to keep the mouth breathers that will get angry if Bortles is still on the roster come May buying tickets. In that case trading back to start stockpiling picks for next year or the year after when you have to take a QB again because you decided to flush a first rounder in a down year for QBs makes total sense.

Not to say I think that absolutely is the case, but the last reason you want to be taking a QB is because you're trying to fill a roster slot or sell tickets. It's quite possible that this year is 2013 again.

You mean 2014, don't you?

There is a saying I've heard over the years that applies to coaches and GMs, to the effect that if you listen to the fans, you'll end up sitting among them.  To that extent I can agree with you that the team should not listen to the fans input when it comes to drafting or free agent acquisition.

Is there a scenario that I could justify trading back?  Sure.  If the team somehow acquired a solid enough veteran (i.e. Foles) before the draft, I could see trading back, getting extra picks, and using one to take a QB later.

But if the team got an obvious clipholder (i.e. Taylor, Fitz) pre draft, I don't trade back until I know the best QB is off the board.

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The flip side of that is you don't see much separation between QB prospects and you're mainly taking one because you were instructed to by higher ups to keep the mouth breathers that will get angry if Bortles is still on the roster come May buying tickets. In that case trading back to start stockpiling picks for next year or the year after when you have to take a QB again because you decided to flush a first rounder in a down year for QBs makes total sense.

Not to say I think that absolutely is the case, but the last reason you want to be taking a QB is because you're trying to fill a roster slot or sell tickets. It's quite possible that this year is 2013 again.

You mean 2014, don't you?

There is a saying I've heard over the years that applies to coaches and GMs, to the effect that if you listen to the fans, you'll end up sitting among them.  To that extent I can agree with you that the team should not listen to the fans input when it comes to drafting or free agent acquisition.

Is there a scenario that I could justify trading back?  Sure.  If the team somehow acquired a solid enough veteran (i.e. Foles) before the draft, I could see trading back, getting extra picks, and using one to take a QB later.

But if the team got an obvious clipholder (i.e. Taylor, Fitz) pre draft, I don't trade back until I know the best QB is off the board.

Isn't 2013 the year the bills drafted Manuel in the first round and he was the only guy taken in the first?

Anyway point is the draft isn't about roster spots or fan anger, it's about getting the best player and getting it right. If the team isn't actually confident any of the guys are a real franchise QB then reaching for them would be very dumb. In a case like that if another elite talent at some other position isn't available I could understand them doing some trading back.

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You mean 2014, don't you?

There is a saying I've heard over the years that applies to coaches and GMs, to the effect that if you listen to the fans, you'll end up sitting among them.  To that extent I can agree with you that the team should not listen to the fans input when it comes to drafting or free agent acquisition.

Is there a scenario that I could justify trading back?  Sure.  If the team somehow acquired a solid enough veteran (i.e. Foles) before the draft, I could see trading back, getting extra picks, and using one to take a QB later.

But if the team got an obvious clipholder (i.e. Taylor, Fitz) pre draft, I don't trade back until I know the best QB is off the board.

Isn't 2013 the year the bills drafted Manuel in the first round and he was the only guy taken in the first?

Anyway point is the draft isn't about roster spots or fan anger, it's about getting the best player and getting it right. If the team isn't actually confident any of the guys are a real franchise QB then reaching for them would be very dumb. In a case like that if another elite talent at some other position isn't available I could understand them doing some trading back.

My mistake.  I thought you were talking about Bortles (taken in 2014).

I agree reaching for a player can be disastrous (see: Alualu, Tyson).

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Isn't 2013 the year the bills drafted Manuel in the first round and he was the only guy taken in the first?

Anyway point is the draft isn't about roster spots or fan anger, it's about getting the best player and getting it right. If the team isn't actually confident any of the guys are a real franchise QB then reaching for them would be very dumb. In a case like that if another elite talent at some other position isn't available I could understand them doing some trading back.

My mistake.  I thought you were talking about Bortles (taken in 2014).

I agree reaching for a player can be disastrous (see: Alualu, Tyson).

2014 apparently had some decent QBs in it, though. Garoppolo and Carr when he has talent around him, for example. The problem with the 2014 draft wasn't that the Jags took a QB, it's that they took the wrong one.

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My mistake.  I thought you were talking about Bortles (taken in 2014).

I agree reaching for a player can be disastrous (see: Alualu, Tyson).

2014 apparently had some decent QBs in it, though. Garoppolo and Carr when he has talent around him, for example. The problem with the 2014 draft wasn't that the Jags took a QB, it's that they took the wrong one.

Who would have been the right one?

I'm looking down the list of those taken and I'd say the two you mentioned are the only ones flat out better than Blake. Carr is struggling now as well and is only marginally better. Jimmy G lasted until the very last pick of round two.

The others leave more to be desired in my mind than Blake. Bridgewater was taken with the final pick in round one, but I personally don't get the hype as I've never seen much of anything from him beyond backup level play. Manziel was the second QB taken and he flamed out long ago. Then it gets pretty darn ugly with AJ McCarron highlighting the list. Just LOL at Mettenberger, Savage and Logan Thomas.

If there was ever a class to not take a QB in the top few picks... that was it. 

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2014 apparently had some decent QBs in it, though. Garoppolo and Carr when he has talent around him, for example. The problem with the 2014 draft wasn't that the Jags took a QB, it's that they took the wrong one.

Who would have been the right one?

I'm looking down the list of those taken and I'd say the two you mentioned are the only ones flat out better than Blake. Carr is struggling now as well and is only marginally better. Jimmy G lasted until the very last pick of round two.

The others leave more to be desired in my mind than Blake. Bridgewater was taken with the final pick in round one, but I personally don't get the hype as I've never seen much of anything from him beyond backup level play. Manziel was the second QB taken and he flamed out long ago. Then it gets pretty darn ugly with AJ McCarron highlighting the list. Just LOL at Mettenberger, Savage and Logan Thomas.

If there was ever a class to not take a QB in the top few picks... that was it. 

The 2013 draft was much worse. Barely a handful of marginal backups came out of it.

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There have been a lot of players that played really well at the college level that never panned out in the NFL.

Johnny Manziel for instance. Murray looks like an even smaller version of him, as far as body type.

Comparing Murray to Manziel is extremely wrong, they are NOTHING alike... on and off the field there are not the same at all... its jus as silly as everyone comparing Mayfield and Manziel last year which a lot of people did.

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So seeing as yall dont want Murray and with Haskins going to the giants, i think we should jus wait till R2 for a QB (Grier, Finley or Jones if he falls).... Im starting to really like the idea of Devin White, everyone is calling him the next Bobby Wagner, watched his tape and was extremely impressed... With Miles Jack and Telvin on the outside plug this guy in at MLB and we could have the most dominant LB core along with our dominate CB tandem.

Plus the fact that we missed Poz was obvious, we need to fill that hole... Oline could be a choice but i think we jus need our line back healthy and well be fine... we were 3 n 1 before 3 of our best olineman got hurt, leaving us with a hurt Cann and Parnell

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So seeing as yall dont want Murray and with Haskins going to the giants, i think we should jus wait till R2 for a QB (Grier, Finley or Jones if he falls).... Im starting to really like the idea of Devin White, everyone is calling him the next Bobby Wagner, watched his tape and was extremely impressed... With Miles Jack and Telvin on the outside plug this guy in at MLB and we could have the most dominant LB core along with our dominate CB tandem.

Plus the fact that we missed Poz was obvious, we need to fill that hole... Oline could be a choice but i think we jus need our line back healthy and well be fine... we were 3 n 1 before 3 of our best olineman got hurt, leaving us with a hurt Cann and Parnell

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If our O line isnt a lot better this year I will also have a hurt Cann

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So seeing as yall dont want Murray and with Haskins going to the giants, i think we should jus wait till R2 for a QB (Grier, Finley or Jones if he falls).... Im starting to really like the idea of Devin White, everyone is calling him the next Bobby Wagner, watched his tape and was extremely impressed... With Miles Jack and Telvin on the outside plug this guy in at MLB and we could have the most dominant LB core along with our dominate CB tandem.

Plus the fact that we missed Poz was obvious, we need to fill that hole... Oline could be a choice but i think we jus need our line back healthy and well be fine... we were 3 n 1 before 3 of our best olineman got hurt, leaving us with a hurt Cann and Parnell

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So which LB are you only going to play 30% of the time in this scenario?

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So seeing as yall dont want Murray and with Haskins going to the giants, i think we should jus wait till R2 for a QB (Grier, Finley or Jones if he falls).... Im starting to really like the idea of Devin White, everyone is calling him the next Bobby Wagner, watched his tape and was extremely impressed... With Miles Jack and Telvin on the outside plug this guy in at MLB and we could have the most dominant LB core along with our dominate CB tandem.

Plus the fact that we missed Poz was obvious, we need to fill that hole... Oline could be a choice but i think we jus need our line back healthy and well be fine... we were 3 n 1 before 3 of our best olineman got hurt, leaving us with a hurt Cann and Parnell

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So four months before the draft and you've determined that Haskins is going to the Giants.

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Dan Patrick just had Kyler Murray on his show today...it was a cringe worthy interview. Only because Dan was trying to reel him in on his decision of the NFL or MLB. I'll try to post the video on here later for you all if you are interested.

EDIT: They just posted a 4 minute video of the interview:

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That interview was just crazy bad.  Kid needs to get his head together.  Why even do the interview is my question.  Smh.

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That interview was just crazy bad.  Kid needs to get his head together.  Why even do the interview is my question.  Smh.

For money

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Yeah, I can't imagine anyone taking a serious risk on a guy that isn't committed to football. Even if it's a lie he should be taking about how much he loves the NFL and how it's where he wants to be.

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Wow what a terrible interview lol... whats up with this kid? Comes on an interview but literally answers nothing... ok lol.

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