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Nick Foles


(02-27-2019, 05:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Mwahahahaha

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...25056?s=19

Foles and Grier the future at QB for the Jags.  I can see it now.  A championship is soon people

Johnny Manziel just left the CFL after throwing 5 TDs and 7 picks. Could be a potential franchise QB still..
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(02-27-2019, 05:16 PM)JackCity Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 05:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Mwahahahaha

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...25056?s=19

Foles and Grier the future at QB for the Jags.  I can see it now.  A championship is soon people

Johnny Manziel just left the CFL after throwing 5 TDs and 7 picks. Could be a potential franchise QB still..

Blackmon will be back soon too.  They can smoke and drink together

(02-27-2019, 05:07 PM)Upper Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 04:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Lol, typical Upper post.

Yeah typical me. Wanting to win championships and not settle for average.

Exactly, why settle for a SB MVP QB with multiple passing records or get a guy like Kyler Murray when Teddy is out there? The next Manning/Montana
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(02-27-2019, 05:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Exactly, why settle for a SB MVP QB with multiple passing records or get a guy like Kyler Murray when Teddy is out there? The next Manning/Montana

Still lying to try to make a point after all these years...I guess you're at the point where they say if you tell a lie big enough and often enough you will start to believe it's the truth.

And sorry but SB MVP QB just doesn't mean that much compared to his entire career, which is as a whole pretty average to maybe slightly above average. We aren't getting that entire elite supporting cast, and we aren't getting the coach that literally mocked our coach in his book.
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(02-27-2019, 06:08 PM)Upper Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 05:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Exactly, why settle for a SB MVP QB with multiple passing records or get a guy like Kyler Murray when Teddy is out there? The next Manning/Montana

Still lying to try to make a point after all these years...I guess you're at the point where they say if you tell a lie big enough and often enough you will start to believe it's the truth.

And sorry but SB MVP QB just doesn't mean that much compared to his entire career, which is as a whole pretty average to maybe slightly above average. We aren't getting that entire elite supporting cast, and we aren't getting the coach that literally mocked our coach in his book.

We have the Defensive supporting cast...and the New OC was his coach during that Super Bowl year.

Use the Draft to grab:
Metcalf/Hockenson/Ford/Taylor in the 1st....
Fant/Smith/Little/Harry/Lindstom in the 2nd...
Fill in the remaining gaps on offense with the two 3rd rounders...
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(02-27-2019, 06:22 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 06:08 PM)Upper Wrote: Still lying to try to make a point after all these years...I guess you're at the point where they say if you tell a lie big enough and often enough you will start to believe it's the truth.

And sorry but SB MVP QB just doesn't mean that much compared to his entire career, which is as a whole pretty average to maybe slightly above average. We aren't getting that entire elite supporting cast, and we aren't getting the coach that literally mocked our coach in his book.

We have the Defensive supporting cast...and the New OC was his coach during that Super Bowl year.

Use the Draft to grab:
Metcalf/Hockenson/Ford/Taylor in the 1st....
Fant/Smith/Little/Harry/Lindstom in the 2nd...
Fill in the remaining gaps on offense with the two 3rd rounders...
I like your thought process. Like it or not, it's highly likely Foles will be a Jaguar so the draft needs to get him immediate support. Your possible choices in rounds 1 and 2 all make sense. I'll break it down further for rounds 1-4. It would be great if the Jaguars could trade down a few spots and get another pick, but this scenerio is without any trade.

Rd. 1-  T.J. Hockenson      Maybe a little high for a tight end, but he can do it all.

Rd. 2- Chris Lindstrom .    Day 1 starter at guard and the prototypical Coughlin pick. Can also play tackle in an emergency.

Rd. 3- Terry McLaurin       Great speed and underutilized at Ohio State

Rd. 3- Will Grier               Has enough tools to take over for Foles in 3-4 years and can be primary backup after rookie season.

Rd. 4  Tytus Howard .      Probably will be gone, but he'd be a great developmental tackle with much upside.
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(02-27-2019, 10:38 PM)jaglou53 Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 06:22 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: We have the Defensive supporting cast...and the New OC was his coach during that Super Bowl year.

Use the Draft to grab:
Metcalf/Hockenson/Ford/Taylor in the 1st....
Fant/Smith/Little/Harry/Lindstom in the 2nd...
Fill in the remaining gaps on offense with the two 3rd rounders...
I like your thought process. Like it or not, it's highly likely Foles will be a Jaguar so the draft needs to get him immediate support. Your possible choices in rounds 1 and 2 all make sense. I'll break it down further for rounds 1-4. It would be great if the Jaguars could trade down a few spots and get another pick, but this scenerio is without any trade.

Rd. 1-  T.J. Hockenson      Maybe a little high for a tight end, but he can do it all.

Rd. 2- Chris Lindstrom .    Day 1 starter at guard and the prototypical Coughlin pick. Can also play tackle in an emergency.

Rd. 3- Terry McLaurin       Great speed and underutilized at Ohio State

Rd. 3- Will Grier               Has enough tools to take over for Foles in 3-4 years and can be primary backup after rookie season.

Rd. 4  Tytus Howard .      Probably will be gone, but he'd be a great developmental tackle with much upside.

We aren't at "highly likely stage" yet
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(02-27-2019, 10:38 PM)jaglou53 Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 06:22 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: We have the Defensive supporting cast...and the New OC was his coach during that Super Bowl year.

Use the Draft to grab:
Metcalf/Hockenson/Ford/Taylor in the 1st....
Fant/Smith/Little/Harry/Lindstom in the 2nd...
Fill in the remaining gaps on offense with the two 3rd rounders...
I like your thought process. Like it or not, it's highly likely Foles will be a Jaguar so the draft needs to get him immediate support. Your possible choices in rounds 1 and 2 all make sense. I'll break it down further for rounds 1-4. It would be great if the Jaguars could trade down a few spots and get another pick, but this scenerio is without any trade.

Rd. 1-  T.J. Hockenson      Maybe a little high for a tight end, but he can do it all.

Rd. 2- Chris Lindstrom .    Day 1 starter at guard and the prototypical Coughlin pick. Can also play tackle in an emergency.

Rd. 3- Terry McLaurin       Great speed and underutilized at Ohio State

Rd. 3- Will Grier               Has enough tools to take over for Foles in 3-4 years and can be primary backup after rookie season.

Rd. 4  Tytus Howard .      Probably will be gone, but he'd be a great developmental tackle with much upside.
Agreed.  Great draft man
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Wonder what team he will be on? As hope he can stay healthy. Plus clutch!
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(This post was last modified: 02-28-2019, 12:24 AM by Firesky.)

(02-27-2019, 06:08 PM)Upper Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 05:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Exactly, why settle for a SB MVP QB with multiple passing records or get a guy like Kyler Murray when Teddy is out there? The next Manning/Montana

Still lying to try to make a point after all these years...I guess you're at the point where they say if you tell a lie big enough and often enough you will start to believe it's the truth.

And sorry but SB MVP QB just doesn't mean that much compared to his entire career, which is as a whole pretty average to maybe slightly above average. We aren't getting that entire elite supporting cast, and we aren't getting the coach that literally mocked our coach in his book.

Umm what? The only year he had a negative TD/INT ratio was on a talentless rams team coached by Jeff fisher. He has a 62% career completion %. Statistically speaking... if he played his entire career in jacksonville hed be the best QB in franchise history (sorry Brunell homers... at worst hes a very close 2nd best QB and im the BIGGEST proponent of David Garrard you'll ever find).

If we had him on the 2017 team .. we win the SB. Like our Defense, a healthy Fournette, a healthy marqise lee and westbrook are the only supporting cast we. Not to mention they have 4 picks in the first round that will all be going towards our offense. Lets not pretend that Foles was a passenger on a SB team like Trent Dilfer, they man was THE MVP. He has the highest postseason passer rating in nfl history for a career, he has the highest completion % in a single postseason (2017 @ 72.6%). He also has the best TD:INT ration for a single season of any qb ever, and is tied for the single game passing TDs record. The man is GOOD. He is what kirk cousins was supposed to be last offseason, plays his best football in the postseason, and will inexplicably be availble for cheaper than he should be. We would be lucky to have Foles as our signal caller to capitalize on this talented Defense in our championship window.

(02-28-2019, 12:20 AM)Firesky Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 06:08 PM)Upper Wrote: Still lying to try to make a point after all these years...I guess you're at the point where they say if you tell a lie big enough and often enough you will start to believe it's the truth.

And sorry but SB MVP QB just doesn't mean that much compared to his entire career, which is as a whole pretty average to maybe slightly above average. We aren't getting that entire elite supporting cast, and we aren't getting the coach that literally mocked our coach in his book.

Umm what? The only year he had a negative TD/INT ratio was on a talentless rams team coached by Jeff fisher. He has a 62% career completion %. Statistically speaking... if he played his entire career in jacksonville hed be the best QB in franchise history (sorry Brunell homers... at worst hes a very close 2nd best QB and im the BIGGEST proponent of David Garrard you'll ever find).

If we had him on the 2017 team .. we win the SB. Like our Defense, a healthy Fournette, a healthy marqise lee and westbrook are the only supporting cast we need on paper. Not to mention they have 4 picks in the first 100 picks (rounds 1-3) that will all be going towards our offense. Lets not pretend that Foles was a passenger on a SB team like Trent Dilfer, they man was THE MVP. He has the highest postseason passer rating in nfl history for a career, he has the highest completion % in a single postseason (2017 @ 72.6%). He also has the best TD:INT ration for a single season of any qb ever, and is tied for the single game passing TDs record. The man is GOOD. He is what kirk cousins was supposed to be last offseason, plays his best football in the postseason, and will inexplicably be availble for cheaper than he should be. We would be lucky to have Foles as our signal caller to capitalize on this talented Defense in our championship window.

Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
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(02-28-2019, 12:20 AM)Firesky Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 06:08 PM)Upper Wrote: Still lying to try to make a point after all these years...I guess you're at the point where they say if you tell a lie big enough and often enough you will start to believe it's the truth.

And sorry but SB MVP QB just doesn't mean that much compared to his entire career, which is as a whole pretty average to maybe slightly above average. We aren't getting that entire elite supporting cast, and we aren't getting the coach that literally mocked our coach in his book.

Umm what? The only year he had a negative TD/INT ratio was on a talentless rams team coached by Jeff fisher. He has a 62% career completion %. Statistically speaking... if he played his entire career in jacksonville hed be the best QB in franchise history (sorry Brunell homers... at worst hes a very close 2nd best QB and im the BIGGEST proponent of David Garrard you'll ever find).

If we had him on the 2017 team .. we win the SB. Like our Defense, a healthy Fournette, a healthy marqise lee and westbrook are the only supporting cast we. Not to mention they have 4 picks in the first round that will all be going towards our offense. Lets not pretend that Foles was a passenger on a SB team like Trent Dilfer, they man was THE MVP. He has the highest postseason passer rating in nfl history for a career, he has the highest completion % in a single postseason (2017 @ 72.6%). He also has the best TD:INT ration for a single season of any qb ever, and is tied for the single game passing TDs record. The man is GOOD. He is what kirk cousins was supposed to be last offseason, plays his best football in the postseason, and will inexplicably be availble for cheaper than he should be. We would be lucky to have Foles as our signal caller to capitalize on this talented Defense in our championship window.

(02-28-2019, 12:20 AM)Firesky Wrote: Umm what? The only year he had a negative TD/INT ratio was on a talentless rams team coached by Jeff fisher. He has a 62% career completion %. Statistically speaking... if he played his entire career in jacksonville hed be the best QB in franchise history (sorry Brunell homers... at worst hes a very close 2nd best QB and im the BIGGEST proponent of David Garrard you'll ever find).

If we had him on the 2017 team .. we win the SB. Like our Defense, a healthy Fournette, a healthy marqise lee and westbrook are the only supporting cast we need on paper. Not to mention they have 4 picks in the first 100 picks (rounds 1-3) that will all be going towards our offense. Lets not pretend that Foles was a passenger on a SB team like Trent Dilfer, they man was THE MVP. He has the highest postseason passer rating in nfl history for a career, he has the highest completion % in a single postseason (2017 @ 72.6%). He also has the best TD:INT ration for a single season of any qb ever, and is tied for the single game passing TDs record. The man is GOOD. He is what kirk cousins was supposed to be last offseason, plays his best football in the postseason, and will inexplicably be availble for cheaper than he should be. We would be lucky to have Foles as our signal caller to capitalize on this talented Defense in our championship window.

Where would you rank Nick Foles out of all the QBs in the league?
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(02-28-2019, 12:20 AM)Firesky Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 06:08 PM)Upper Wrote: Still lying to try to make a point after all these years...I guess you're at the point where they say if you tell a lie big enough and often enough you will start to believe it's the truth.

And sorry but SB MVP QB just doesn't mean that much compared to his entire career, which is as a whole pretty average to maybe slightly above average. We aren't getting that entire elite supporting cast, and we aren't getting the coach that literally mocked our coach in his book.

Umm what? The only year he had a negative TD/INT ratio was on a talentless rams team coached by Jeff fisher. He has a 62% career completion %. Statistically speaking... if he played his entire career in jacksonville hed be the best QB in franchise history (sorry Brunell homers... at worst hes a very close 2nd best QB and im the BIGGEST proponent of David Garrard you'll ever find).

If we had him on the 2017 team .. we win the SB. Like our Defense, a healthy Fournette, a healthy marqise lee and westbrook are the only supporting cast we. Not to mention they have 4 picks in the first round that will all be going towards our offense. Lets not pretend that Foles was a passenger on a SB team like Trent Dilfer, they man was THE MVP. He has the highest postseason passer rating in nfl history for a career, he has the highest completion % in a single postseason (2017 @ 72.6%). He also has the best TD:INT ration for a single season of any qb ever, and is tied for the single game passing TDs record. The man is GOOD. He is what kirk cousins was supposed to be last offseason, plays his best football in the postseason, and will inexplicably be availble for cheaper than he should be. We would be lucky to have Foles as our signal caller to capitalize on this talented Defense in our championship window.


Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
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(02-28-2019, 12:20 AM)Firesky Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 06:08 PM)Upper Wrote: Still lying to try to make a point after all these years...I guess you're at the point where they say if you tell a lie big enough and often enough you will start to believe it's the truth.

And sorry but SB MVP QB just doesn't mean that much compared to his entire career, which is as a whole pretty average to maybe slightly above average. We aren't getting that entire elite supporting cast, and we aren't getting the coach that literally mocked our coach in his book.

Umm what? The only year he had a negative TD/INT ratio was on a talentless rams team coached by Jeff fisher. He has a 62% career completion %. Statistically speaking... if he played his entire career in jacksonville hed be the best QB in franchise history (sorry Brunell homers... at worst hes a very close 2nd best QB and im the BIGGEST proponent of David Garrard you'll ever find).

If we had him on the 2017 team .. we win the SB. Like our Defense, a healthy Fournette, a healthy marqise lee and westbrook are the only supporting cast we. Not to mention they have 4 picks in the first round that will all be going towards our offense. Lets not pretend that Foles was a passenger on a SB team like Trent Dilfer, they man was THE MVP. He has the highest postseason passer rating in nfl history for a career, he has the highest completion % in a single postseason (2017 @ 72.6%). He also has the best TD:INT ration for a single season of any qb ever, and is tied for the single game passing TDs record. The man is GOOD. He is what kirk cousins was supposed to be last offseason, plays his best football in the postseason, and will inexplicably be availble for cheaper than he should be. We would be lucky to have Foles as our signal caller to capitalize on this talented Defense in our championship window.
If, if, if.... lol

Some of his best football is 25-40 266 yards 2 TD and 2 INTs. 18-31 201 yards 1 TD and 2 INTs??
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(02-27-2019, 03:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(02-27-2019, 02:36 PM)jaglawyer Wrote: I’d be willing to bet that the Jaguars already have a deal in place for Foles.
Well hopefully not.

Not because I don't want him but because his value is diminishing by the day. No one really needs a QB so he has no negotiating tactics.

I would love it if the Jags could walk away with Foles and Haskins. Foles for roughly 12-15 million, still draft Haskins and ride into 2019 with the best QB room this team has ever seen.

This.
 

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(02-28-2019, 12:47 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 12:20 AM)Firesky Wrote: Umm what? The only year he had a negative TD/INT ratio was on a talentless rams team coached by Jeff fisher. He has a 62% career completion %. Statistically speaking... if he played his entire career in jacksonville hed be the best QB in franchise history (sorry Brunell homers... at worst hes a very close 2nd best QB and im the BIGGEST proponent of David Garrard you'll ever find).

If we had him on the 2017 team .. we win the SB. Like our Defense, a healthy Fournette, a healthy marqise lee and westbrook are the only supporting cast we. Not to mention they have 4 picks in the first round that will all be going towards our offense. Lets not pretend that Foles was a passenger on a SB team like Trent Dilfer, they man was THE MVP. He has the highest postseason passer rating in nfl history for a career, he has the highest completion % in a single postseason (2017 @ 72.6%). He also has the best TD:INT ration for a single season of any qb ever, and is tied for the single game passing TDs record. The man is GOOD. He is what kirk cousins was supposed to be last offseason, plays his best football in the postseason, and will inexplicably be availble for cheaper than he should be. We would be lucky to have Foles as our signal caller to capitalize on this talented Defense in our championship window.
If, if, if.... lol

Some of his best football is 25-40 266 yards 2 TD and 2 INTs. 18-31 201 yards 1 TD and 2 INTs??
Where did you get those numbers?

I would say his best numbers were 27 TDs and 2 INTs, and his playoff runs the past two years.
 

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(02-28-2019, 12:56 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 12:47 AM)Eric1 Wrote: If, if, if.... lol

Some of his best football is 25-40 266 yards 2 TD and 2 INTs. 18-31 201 yards 1 TD and 2 INTs??
Where did you get those numbers?

I would say his best numbers were 27 TDs and 2 INTs, and his playoff runs the past two years.

Those are his exact numbers from his two playoff games this past season..

The guy I was replying to said Foles plays his best football in the post season.
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(02-28-2019, 12:59 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 12:56 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Where did you get those numbers?

I would say his best numbers were 27 TDs and 2 INTs, and his playoff runs the past two years.

Those are his exact numbers from his two playoff games this past season..

The guy I was replying to said Foles plays his best football in the post season.

Got it.

Taking those at face value, he won the wild card round, and had the team in reasonable position to win in New Orleans.

At the end of the day, based on the last two seasons, I've no problems with his post season performance.

Is that a guarantee he would replicate that here?  No.  He will need the help around him to do that.

But to me, there are more advantages to signing Foles (especially now since we won't have to trade for him) than there are disadvantages.
 

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(02-28-2019, 12:20 AM)Firesky Wrote: Umm what?

Look at his rate+ stats. He's had some wild swings in his career, but overall he's been slightly below average across the board. Slightly below in Y/A+, comp%+, TD%+, and passrating+. Slightly above in INT%+ and sack%+.
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(02-28-2019, 01:44 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 12:59 AM)Eric1 Wrote: Those are his exact numbers from his two playoff games this past season..

The guy I was replying to said Foles plays his best football in the post season.

Got it.

Taking those at face value, he won the wild card round, and had the team in reasonable position to win in New Orleans.

At the end of the day, based on the last two seasons, I've no problems with his post season performance.

Is that a guarantee he would replicate that here?  No.  He will need the help around him to do that.

But to me, there are more advantages to signing Foles (especially now since we won't have to trade for him) than there are disadvantages.

They won the wild card round because of a tipped/blocked FG. They punted the ball 5 times with multiple 3 and outs to go along with those 2 INTs.

They scored 14 points within the first 10 minutes of the 1st quarter vs New Orleans, but they didn't score a single point during the other 50 minutes. 5 more punts and 2 INTs in that game as well.
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(02-28-2019, 02:14 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 01:44 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Got it.

Taking those at face value, he won the wild card round, and had the team in reasonable position to win in New Orleans.

At the end of the day, based on the last two seasons, I've no problems with his post season performance.

Is that a guarantee he would replicate that here?  No.  He will need the help around him to do that.

But to me, there are more advantages to signing Foles (especially now since we won't have to trade for him) than there are disadvantages.

They won the wild card round because of a tipped/blocked FG. They punted the ball 5 times with multiple 3 and outs to go along with those 2 INTs.

They scored 14 points within the first 10 minutes of the 1st quarter vs New Orleans, but they didn't score a single point during the other 50 minutes. 5 more punts and 2 INTs in that game as well.

But they were able to win that Chicago game on the blocked FG because Foles threw the game winning TD pass with :56 left in the game.  He has to get credit for that.  Not every game a QB plays is going to be a high scoring game.  Just because a QB is in one of those lower scoring games doesn't mean he is a bad QB.

Did the Jeffries drop of that pass have anything to do with no additional points being scored against the Saints?  Did the 49 yards rushing (1 of which was a Foles TD run) have anything to do with the lack of points?

At what point do you consider his 2017 playoff run?

Taking his totals from both post seasons combined, he was 121-200  1403 yds, 9 TDs, 5 INTs, a 4-1 postseason record with 1 Super Bowl win.

I would gladly accept that here.
 

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