No. Jackson has a big, slow windup and has no touch. He tries to rifle the ball every play. Remind you of anyone? He's a Leftwich clone. If we sign Foles, I see us using that late 3rd or early 4th round pick on Grier.

Grier will not be available in the late 3rd or 4th.

I'd bet every dollar I have on it.

Agreed

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No. Jackson has a big, slow windup and has no touch. He tries to rifle the ball every play. Remind you of anyone? He's a Leftwich clone. If we sign Foles, I see us using that late 3rd or early 4th round pick on Grier.

Grier will not be available in the late 3rd or 4th.

I'd bet every dollar I have on it.

Agreed. His floor is 2nd round.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

So question, for everyone wanting to draft Grier or a different rookie as developmental guy in say he 3rd-4th round.

Would you be okay if he got pressed into service and had to start? I do think with Foles, the Jags should have a shot at the playoffs come December. If Foles gets hurt, can the Jags really believe Grier, Thorston, Tyree, or even Lock/Finley could be good enough to not lose what could be an important game for the Jags?

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So question, for everyone wanting to draft Grier or a different rookie as  developmental guy in say he 3rd-4th round.

Would you be okay if he got pressed into service and had to start? I do think with Foles, the Jags should have a shot at the playoffs come December. If Foles gets hurt, can the Jags really believe Grier, Thorston, Tyree, or even Lock/Finley could be good enough to not lose what could be an important game for the Jags?

Potential day 2 or 3 rookies I'd be okay with getting pressed into action and manage the game.

Grier
Finley
Rypien
Minshew
Ta'amu

I think those guys could come in and manage the game and not turn the ball over.

As far as the other guys you mentioned. I think Lock goes in the first round. Thorson is a turnover waiting to happen, Tyree's accuracy/touch is too inconsistent.

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Grier and Rypien probably #1 and #2 in terms of QBs outside the 1st round who I'd trust to win a game. If Case Keenum can do it so can they.

I guess Finley too actually , just not my cup of tea.

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So question, for everyone wanting to draft Grier or a different rookie as  developmental guy in say he 3rd-4th round.

Would you be okay if he got pressed into service and had to start? I do think with Foles, the Jags should have a shot at the playoffs come December. If Foles gets hurt, can the Jags really believe Grier, Thorston, Tyree, or even Lock/Finley could be good enough to not lose what could be an important game for the Jags?

I think Grier has just as good a chance as any QB in this class to come in and play well

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So question, for everyone wanting to draft Grier or a different rookie as  developmental guy in say he 3rd-4th round.

Would you be okay if he got pressed into service and had to start? I do think with Foles, the Jags should have a shot at the playoffs come December. If Foles gets hurt, can the Jags really believe Grier, Thorston, Tyree, or even Lock/Finley could be good enough to not lose what could be an important game for the Jags?

I think Grier has just as good a chance as any QB in this class to come in and play well

Yeah... if he goes to a team with a solid OL and a couple weapons I like his chances.
And if he is drafted in round 2 the pressure is way off to come in and start right away and light it up.

If he's there with our rd 2 pick and we don't go Haskins in round 1 I really want us to snag him.
But it seems that the whole Foles thing might drastically change the draft. QB in first 3 rounds not likely by signing Foles.

Haskins, Grier, and Lock can start right away on the right teams imo. OL Protection is key for these guys while they are young as they all have their biggest flaws when pressured (which isn't abnormal with QBs) 

And when healthy (and perhaps with a top tier RG/RT) we actually could have a very good OL.
Which is beneficial whether we are starting Foles, Grier, or Bridgewater... whoever

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So question, for everyone wanting to draft Grier or a different rookie as  developmental guy in say he 3rd-4th round.

Would you be okay if he got pressed into service and had to start? I do think with Foles, the Jags should have a shot at the playoffs come December. If Foles gets hurt, can the Jags really believe Grier, Thorston, Tyree, or even Lock/Finley could be good enough to not lose what could be an important game for the Jags?

Every single QB whose floor is 'serviceable backup' (which I believe applies to Grier, and others in this draft), you don't take them if you are not okay with giving them a start when the need arises.

What's the alternative to drafting a guy like Grier, who is not expected to be immediately ready, but could be after time to develop? Signing an additional FA? Promoting Tanner Lee? Rolling Blake back out there?

So to answer your question, yes, I would be okay if the team saw fit to draft him, spent the year developing him, and had to start him. But then again, it takes a lot to get me rattled.

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I’d have confidence in Grier playing fairly well if forced into back up duty.

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Honestly the only bad reviews on Grier come from "know-it-all" message boarders 
Most of the scouting stuff I've seen on him has been mostly positive with the biggest knocks being "not ideal size" which apparently isn't going to be a thing in the NFL if they keep drafting 5' "10" QBs
Other than that they said his arm strength wasn't elite.... yet is tops in this particular class
And he has a tendency to toss INTs when under pressure or when he should just throw it away (which is coachable I think)

And honestly I think the majority of the anti-Grier stuff comes from people who hate on the Gators as much as possible lol even though he was much more a Mountaineer than he ever was a Gator

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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1104...86401?s=21

Honestly the only bad reviews on Grier come from "know-it-all" message boarders 
Most of the scouting stuff I've seen on him has been mostly positive with the biggest knocks being "not ideal size" which apparently isn't going to be a thing in the NFL if they keep drafting 5' "10" QBs
Other than that they said his arm strength wasn't elite.... yet is tops in this particular class
And he has a tendency to toss INTs when under pressure or when he should just throw it away (which is coachable I think)

And honestly I think the majority of the anti-Grier stuff comes from people who hate on the Gators as much as possible lol even though he was much more a Mountaineer than he ever was a Gator

Grier has a number of mistakes on tapes. But each seems to point out different issues, such bad mechanics (throwing off back foot), trying to force it in, being fooled by coverage, late on throw, trusting his arm too much, etc.

All are things that really are common for young QB's, and can be coached up. It really just depends on scouts watching enough tape to see if there has been any improvement in those things over time or not. Though these are things that are probably said about a couple of QB prospects every year. Hard to predict who will eliminate these errors and who won't.

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I'm just done drafting backup/devvy QBs to be okay "if forced into action" guys. I want to swing for the fences and try to get a guy with franchise QB tools, even if the odds that they become stable long term backups might be lower. Tyree, and maaaaaybe Rypien, are the only real guys that do that after the first rounders for me.

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Grier may be one of those guys with good arm strength when his feet are set and he can step into the pass. But he doesnt look to have good arm strength when falling back or off balance. I think he has good enough arm strength to succeed in the NFL. But like all other attributes, if you aren't great in one area, you need to make it up elsewhere.

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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1104...86401?s=21

Honestly the only bad reviews on Grier come from "know-it-all" message boarders 
Most of the scouting stuff I've seen on him has been mostly positive with the biggest knocks being "not ideal size" which apparently isn't going to be a thing in the NFL if they keep drafting 5' "10" QBs
Other than that they said his arm strength wasn't elite.... yet is tops in this particular class
And he has a tendency to toss INTs when under pressure or when he should just throw it away (which is coachable I think)

And honestly I think the majority of the anti-Grier stuff comes from people who hate on the Gators as much as possible lol even though he was much more a Mountaineer than he ever was a Gator

Death , taxes and people thinking the combine velocity scores actually mean anything. 

Just read the results every year and compare to what you see on the field, they give laughably little insight into how hard guys throw the ball

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Honestly the only bad reviews on Grier come from "know-it-all" message boarders 
Most of the scouting stuff I've seen on him has been mostly positive with the biggest knocks being "not ideal size" which apparently isn't going to be a thing in the NFL if they keep drafting 5' "10" QBs
Other than that they said his arm strength wasn't elite.... yet is tops in this particular class
And he has a tendency to toss INTs when under pressure or when he should just throw it away (which is coachable I think)

And honestly I think the majority of the anti-Grier stuff comes from people who hate on the Gators as much as possible lol even though he was much more a Mountaineer than he ever was a Gator

Death , taxes and people thinking the combine velocity scores actually mean anything. 

Just read the results every year and compare to what you see on the field, they give laughably little insight into how hard guys throw the ball

Eh. 

With the exception of a few outliers, the numbers reflect pretty accurately to tape concerning perceived velocity to my eye. 

The issue here is that velocity is merely one aspect of a complex equation.

It’s very relevant here because three or four posters were trying to harp on some weak narrative about Grier’s weak arm. Which is complete nonsense. 

He clearly made a point at the combine to dispel that. If you watched the passing drills, he eliminated most of the high arc throws that people were criticizing him for and displayed good velocity and accuracy in the process.

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Death , taxes and people thinking the combine velocity scores actually mean anything. 

Just read the results every year and compare to what you see on the field, they give laughably little insight into how hard guys throw the ball

Eh. 

With the exception of a few outliers, the numbers reflect pretty accurately to tape concerning perceived velocity to my eye. 

The issue here is that velocity is merely one aspect of a complex equation.

It’s very relevant here because three or four posters were trying to harp on some weak narrative about Grier’s weak arm. Which is complete nonsense. 

He clearly made a point at the combine to dispel that. If you watched the passing drills, he eliminated most of the high arc throws that people were criticizing him for and displayed good velocity and accuracy in the process.

Well take this year for instance, nobody seriously thinks Grier and Ryan Finley have stronger arms than Drew Lock or Tyree Jackson do they?  

As I've posted before I think Grier has an average arm that he gets the most out of with a quick set up and release. For college that's perfectly fine, for the NFL less so but you can still be very effective if you have the other traits needed. Grier for instance has high level accuracy and touch , so it's less of a concern. It's not an unpopular opinion that Grier doesn't have a strong arm though.

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Eh. 

With the exception of a few outliers, the numbers reflect pretty accurately to tape concerning perceived velocity to my eye. 

The issue here is that velocity is merely one aspect of a complex equation.

It’s very relevant here because three or four posters were trying to harp on some weak narrative about Grier’s weak arm. Which is complete nonsense. 

He clearly made a point at the combine to dispel that. If you watched the passing drills, he eliminated most of the high arc throws that people were criticizing him for and displayed good velocity and accuracy in the process.

Well take this year for instance, nobody seriously thinks Grier and Ryan Finley have stronger arms than Drew Lock or Tyree Jackson do they?  

As I've posted before I think Grier has an average arm that he gets the most out of with a quick set up and release. For college that's perfectly fine, for the NFL less so but you can still be very effective if you have the other traits needed. Grier for instance has high level accuracy and touch , so it's less of a concern. It's not an unpopular opinion that Grier doesn't have a strong arm though.

Popular, unpopular, I don’t even take that into account with QB evaluation anymore. 

I could literally cull through Grier takes on Twitter and find starkly contrasting takes on his accuracy, his arm strength and his ability to read a defense, and they’d all have some sort of “stat” or “evidence” to back it up. Tons of contrast from analysts on this guy and several others. 

I happen to believe NFL level arm strength is not an issue for him in the slightest. A humble opinion formed strictly by watching him throw the football. 

I think that popular opinion you refer to is just weak evaluation stemming from his tendency to put too much air under the ball at times.
His combine performance showed me he’s capable of throwing intermediate and deep stuff with lower trajectory and higher velocity. For me - that confirms my opinion.

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Well take this year for instance, nobody seriously thinks Grier and Ryan Finley have stronger arms than Drew Lock or Tyree Jackson do they?  

As I've posted before I think Grier has an average arm that he gets the most out of with a quick set up and release. For college that's perfectly fine, for the NFL less so but you can still be very effective if you have the other traits needed. Grier for instance has high level accuracy and touch , so it's less of a concern. It's not an unpopular opinion that Grier doesn't have a strong arm though.

Popular, unpopular, I don’t even take that into account with QB evaluation anymore. 

I could literally cull through Grier takes on Twitter and find starkly contrasting takes on his accuracy, his arm strength and his ability to read a defense, and they’d all have some sort of “stat” or “evidence” to back it up. Tons of contrast from analysts on this guy and several others. 

I happen to believe NFL level arm strength is not an issue for him in the slightest. A humble opinion formed strictly by watching him throw the football. 

I think that popular opinion you refer to is just weak evaluation stemming from his tendency to put too much air under the ball at times.
His combine performance showed me he’s capable of throwing intermediate and deep stuff with lower trajectory and higher velocity. For me - that confirms my opinion.

I don't think anyone should, just that it's not a narrative that's confined to a few randomers on the board.

Same here, if you look through twitter right now you can see people claiming Grier or Rypien have stronger arms than Drew Lock and Tyree Jackson despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, albeit like any kind of football evaluation it's subjective. Same way we had people on here claiming Watsons arm was too weak to throw the ball in the NFL, all based off his score at the combine. 

As for floating the ball so often I guess it depends on what side of the fence you are on. He's in the same school as Mason Rudolph for me in that regard. I'd like to see a full season of them showing they don't have to float the ball so much before crossing it off the list as an issue. Grier > Rudolph by a mile though

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-10-teams/

Grier pro day today, apparently he was impressive and is rising up draft boards again.

The circle of life is complete, in December Grier was talked about as a first round pick, by February people were talking about the 4th round, now he's being talked about as round one or two QB again. How fickle draft coverage can be! Personally I think he will be gone by the end of the 2nd, and it was probably ever thus.

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