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ESPN Ticker - Jaguars Expected to Sign Foles


(03-09-2019, 02:26 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: 62 million guaranteed? Yea.... that’s not happening.

I was thinking 3 years, 50 mil , 28 guaranteed. And that even feels a bit too rich.
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So now it's teddy? Lol good lord.
Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!
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(This post was last modified: 03-09-2019, 02:40 PM by jvillejagsn1.)

Dude that is way too much!! If they want that much, teddy and haskins works just fine
Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!
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(03-09-2019, 02:40 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: Dude that is way too much!! If they want that much, teddy and haskins works just fine

Is just a number thrown out there by a random sports agent. 

His whole job is to drive salaries up. 

I wouldn’t take it very seriously.
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(03-09-2019, 02:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 02:40 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: Dude that is way too much!! If they want that much, teddy and haskins works just fine

Is just a number thrown out there by a random sports agent. 

His whole job is to drive salaries up. 

I wouldn’t take it very seriously.
True. I just worry our front office is too desperate and could do it.... #becauseJaguars
Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!
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(03-09-2019, 03:07 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 02:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Is just a number thrown out there by a random sports agent. 

His whole job is to drive salaries up. 

I wouldn’t take it very seriously.
True. I just worry our front office is too desperate and could do it.... #becauseJaguars

Our F.O. has actually been very smart with 90% of their fa signings from a value perspective.

There no reason to think they’ll throw stupid money at a guy that seemingly isn’t being meaningfully bid on by other teams currently. 

If the numbers are too high, they can simply sign a more mid tier vet and draft QB to challenge him. 
So they really have no need to be remotely desperate.
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(03-09-2019, 03:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 03:07 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: True. I just worry our front office is too desperate and could do it.... #becauseJaguars

Our F.O. has actually been very smart with 90% of their fa signings from a value perspective.

There no reason to think they’ll throw stupid money at a guy that seemingly isn’t being meaningfully bid on by other teams currently. 

If the numbers are too high, they can simply sign a more mid tier vet and draft QB to challenge him. 
So they really have no need to be remotely desperate.

The desperation should be coming from Foles tbh. He's not going to find a better fit to go than here, hopefully we take advantage of that
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(03-09-2019, 02:35 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: So now it's teddy? Lol good lord.

No, team doesn't like him at all.

Just throwing that out there because it's silly season, that and no one wants to be accused of tampering.
"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."
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(03-09-2019, 04:06 PM)pirkster Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 02:35 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: So now it's teddy? Lol good lord.

No, team doesn't like him at all.

Just throwing that out there because it's silly season, that and no one wants to be accused of tampering.

Allegedly Tony does but the rest don't
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(03-09-2019, 07:47 PM)JackCity Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 04:06 PM)pirkster Wrote: No, team doesn't like him at all.

Just throwing that out there because it's silly season, that and no one wants to be accused of tampering.

Allegedly Tony does but the rest don't

Tony needs to stay in the owners box and hip thrust after a TD.   I don’t get the impression that his anylitics has helped that much.
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(03-09-2019, 07:53 PM)Jags Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 07:47 PM)JackCity Wrote: Allegedly Tony does but the rest don't

Tony needs to stay in the owners box and hip thrust after a TD.   I don’t get the impression that his anylitics has helped that much.

Analytics are part of every football operation now to varying degrees. It's fairly asinise to say analytics haven't helped , particularly when A) it's extra info/risk assessment and B) We don't know how much it's actually used by decision makers other than small snippets we get. Corey Grant I believe was a Tony Khan pickup as a UDFA if I remember correctly
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(03-09-2019, 08:02 PM)JackCity Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 07:53 PM)Jags Wrote: Tony needs to stay in the owners box and hip thrust after a TD.   I don’t get the impression that his anylitics has helped that much.

Analytics are part of every football operation now to varying degrees. It's fairly asinise to say analytics haven't helped , particularly when A) it's extra info/risk assessment and B) We don't know how much it's actually used by decision makers other than small snippets we get. Corey Grant I believe was a Tony Khan pickup as a UDFA if I remember correctly

We’ll agree to disagree then.  I can’t say it hasn’t helped.  But I surely wouldn’t say it’s making a difference.
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(03-09-2019, 08:09 PM)Jags Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 08:02 PM)JackCity Wrote: Analytics are part of every football operation now to varying degrees. It's fairly asinise to say analytics haven't helped , particularly when A) it's extra info/risk assessment and B) We don't know how much it's actually used by decision makers other than small snippets we get. Corey Grant I believe was a Tony Khan pickup as a UDFA if I remember correctly

We’ll agree to disagree then.  I can’t say it hasn’t helped.  But I surely wouldn’t say it’s making a difference.

You still have to pick and sign the right players/staff. Analytics just means you have more/better info to help with your choice. 

Tanner Lee for instance, would have showed TONs of red flags analytically , but the decision makers still took him because they saw something there
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(03-09-2019, 08:19 PM)JackCity Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 08:09 PM)Jags Wrote: We’ll agree to disagree then.  I can’t say it hasn’t helped.  But I surely wouldn’t say it’s making a difference.

You still have to pick and sign the right players/staff. Analytics just means you have more/better info to help with your choice. 

Tanner Lee for instance, would have showed TONs of red flags analytically , but the decision makers still took him because they saw something there

I don’t disagree with you there.  I understand Tony is a grown [BLEEP], smart man with an education and has a business or two under his belt (or more). But I still question his contributions to the team.  Right or wrong, I still view him as the owner’s kid that acts like a boy in the box.  It wasn’t until he came along until we heard about the analytics of the game.  Perhaps he has contributed in finding some of the talent in the later rounds of drafts.  We don’t know.  I don’t mean to knock Tony, but I feel he has some skills that may not be the best for a role in the organization but he certainly has the enthusiasm as a younger man that has some ownership in the team.
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(03-09-2019, 11:36 AM)Rico Wrote: Good grief.  If they do this I'll be seriously pissed.  Hopefully this is just some boneheaded writer spewing off at the keyboard.

I fully expect Foles' price tag to be in that range and I fully expect the Jags to pay it. I'll hate it, but I expect it to happen.
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(03-09-2019, 08:37 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 11:36 AM)Rico Wrote: Good grief.  If they do this I'll be seriously pissed.  Hopefully this is just some boneheaded writer spewing off at the keyboard.

I fully expect Foles' price tag to be in that range and I fully expect the Jags to pay it. I'll hate it, but I expect it to happen.
Foles has no market so how can you expect them to give out money like that?
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(03-09-2019, 08:31 PM)Jags Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 08:19 PM)JackCity Wrote: You still have to pick and sign the right players/staff. Analytics just means you have more/better info to help with your choice. 

Tanner Lee for instance, would have showed TONs of red flags analytically , but the decision makers still took him because they saw something there

I don’t disagree with you there.  I understand Tony is a grown [BLEEP], smart man with an education and has a business or two under his belt (or more). But I still question his contributions to the team.  Right or wrong, I still view him as the owner’s kid that acts like a boy in the box.  It wasn’t until he came along until we heard about the analytics of the game.  Perhaps he has contributed in finding some of the talent in the later rounds of drafts.  We don’t know.  I don’t mean to knock Tony, but I feel he has some skills that may not be the best for a role in the organization but he certainly has the enthusiasm as a younger man that has some ownership in the team.

Funnily enough a lot of Fulham fans hate Tony Khan for that reason, he's totally unqualified to be running a football club, as evidenced by this season. 

But analytics have been around much longer than Tony Khan. The eagles use it a ton, Belichick uses it a ton, it just means extra and more advanced data being available , which literally every single team in the league should want used. It's not something to be suspicious of its benefits.
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(03-09-2019, 08:52 PM)JackCity Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 08:31 PM)Jags Wrote: I don’t disagree with you there.  I understand Tony is a grown [BLEEP], smart man with an education and has a business or two under his belt (or more). But I still question his contributions to the team.  Right or wrong, I still view him as the owner’s kid that acts like a boy in the box.  It wasn’t until he came along until we heard about the analytics of the game.  Perhaps he has contributed in finding some of the talent in the later rounds of drafts.  We don’t know.  I don’t mean to knock Tony, but I feel he has some skills that may not be the best for a role in the organization but he certainly has the enthusiasm as a younger man that has some ownership in the team.

Funnily enough a lot of Fulham fans hate Tony Khan for that reason, he's totally unqualified to be running a football club, as evidenced by this season. 

But analytics have been around much longer than Tony Khan. The eagles use it a ton, Belichick uses it a ton, it just means extra and more advanced data being available , which literally every single team in the league should want used. It's not something to be suspicious of its benefits.
Ultimately, I feel it is still on the GM.  In American football, i feel it can be useful in distinguishing between two similarly rated players.  I’m not totally convinced yet it can be used in the NFL like it has in other sports.
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(03-09-2019, 09:20 PM)Jags Wrote:
(03-09-2019, 08:52 PM)JackCity Wrote: Funnily enough a lot of Fulham fans hate Tony Khan for that reason, he's totally unqualified to be running a football club, as evidenced by this season. 

But analytics have been around much longer than Tony Khan. The eagles use it a ton, Belichick uses it a ton, it just means extra and more advanced data being available , which literally every single team in the league should want used. It's not something to be suspicious of its benefits.
Ultimately, I feel it is still on the GM.  In American football, i feel it can be useful in distinguishing between two similarly rated players.  I’m not totally convinced yet it can be used in the NFL like it has in other sports.

1. Analytics are tool for evaluation like any other tool. They can be better or worse depending on how they are designed but no single tool will be really be able to encapsulate any athlete. NFL like the NBA has so many variables that have not been well characterized until the last decade or so and are difficult to isolate from other variables, unlike in the MLB. Also there are far few sample sizes compared to a 162 game season. NFL and NBA will get there eventually, but it will take time. 


2. All evaluation tools are based on past results. As a result, they can never be 100% when used for predictions. They can be used to get better predictions, but you will never always be accurate.
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