I’m sitting here wondering what we’re they thinking????

How could they let a 1400 and 14 WR just walk? I know Arob didn’t want to be here but I just wouldn’t have let him go without offering him top dollar.

Look at us now. We have the worst WR group in the league. There’s probably some college teams that have better WRs than we do.

That's a little dramatic.

I’d call it certifiably delusional.

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That's a little dramatic.

I’d call it certifiably delusional.

You need to get on page with the narrative. It won’t be long before our equipment manager will be certified as ‘worst in the league’.

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That's a little dramatic.

I’d call it certifiably delusional.

Not to mention the fact that Robinson himself said that it was time to move on.  So I'm not quite sure how we 'let' him walk.

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Lee's knee injury was gruesome to watch. I thought it was very possibly a career ending one at the time. I hope they put him on IR, with the thought of continued rehabilitation and possible return later in the season. I wish him well in his ongoing recovery. He's a good kid.

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Feels like Paul George, with that leg break, healed faster than any of those two guys

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I’m sitting here wondering what we’re they thinking????

How could they let a 1400 and 14 WR just walk? I know Arob didn’t want to be here but I just wouldn’t have let him go without offering him top dollar.

Look at us now. We have the worst WR group in the league. There’s probably some college teams that have better WRs than we do.

Because we got by during that fluke 2017 season, and the FO thought they had the winning formula

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Letting ARob go was the worst thing for us. We could have this terrible WR corp but be like well at least we still have ARob. He came off an ACL tear last year and lit it up for the Bears. #becausejaguars

I'm sure ARob didn't like playing with Bortles. We probably figured he wouldn't bounce back off his ACL like he did.. we dumped Hurns and Robinson like we didn't need a passing game. This genius FO thought somehow Cole and DJ Chark would solidify us. The Lee deal is tragic but we got what we deserve now. It's literally up to Foles and random scrubs basically. Although we aren't sure what we're getting from Conley and Westbrook yet. Those two seem to have been doing great work for us in the drills against Baltimore.

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No pain, no gain.

Letting ARob go was the worst thing for us. We could have this terrible WR corp but be like well at least we still have ARob. He came off an ACL tear last year and lit it up for the Bears. #becausejaguars

I'm sure ARob didn't like playing with Bortles. We probably figured he wouldn't bounce back off his ACL like he did.. we dumped Hurns and Robinson like we didn't need a passing game. This genius FO thought somehow Cole and DJ Chark would solidify us. The Lee deal is tragic but we got what we deserve now. It's literally up to Foles and random scrubs basically. Although we aren't sure what we're getting from Conley and Westbrook yet. Those two seem to have been doing great work for us in the drills against Baltimore.

58 YPG is lighting it up?

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Letting ARob go was the worst thing for us. We could have this terrible WR corp but be like well at least we still have ARob. He came off an ACL tear last year and lit it up for the Bears. #becausejaguars

I'm sure ARob didn't like playing with Bortles. We probably figured he wouldn't bounce back off his ACL like he did.. we dumped Hurns and Robinson like we didn't need a passing game. This genius FO thought somehow Cole and DJ Chark would solidify us. The Lee deal is tragic but we got what we deserve now. It's literally up to Foles and random scrubs basically. Although we aren't sure what we're getting from Conley and Westbrook yet. Those two seem to have been doing great work for us in the drills against Baltimore.

58 YPG is lighting it up?

143 and a TD in the playoffs, and managed to get Bortles to 35 TDs in a season. The guy is good, but was coming off an ACL. They should have franchised him. Letting him walk for nothing just shows how bad the front office has been.

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58 YPG is lighting it up?

143 and a TD in the playoffs, and managed to get Bortles to 35 TDs in a season. The guy is good, but was coming off an ACL. They should have franchised him. Letting him walk for nothing just shows how bad the front office has been.

So the fact that he didn't want to be here doesn't matter?  He got him to 35 TDs?  How about the following year when he only had six TDs and barely looked like he cared half of the time.  

Funny how we got to the AFC championship game without him since he was so important.

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143 and a TD in the playoffs, and managed to get Bortles to 35 TDs in a season. The guy is good, but was coming off an ACL. They should have franchised him. Letting him walk for nothing just shows how bad the front office has been.

So the fact that he didn't want to be here doesn't matter?  He got him to 35 TDs?  How about the following year when he only had six TDs and barely looked like he cared half of the time.  

Funny how we got to the AFC championship game without him since he was so important.

I give ARob a lot of credit for that 35 TD season, and 14 TD when Bortles is your QB means something. If you think letting him walk was a good idea you're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree.

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So the fact that he didn't want to be here doesn't matter?  He got him to 35 TDs?  How about the following year when he only had six TDs and barely looked like he cared half of the time.  

Funny how we got to the AFC championship game without him since he was so important.

I give ARob a lot of credit for that 35 TD season, and 14 TD when Bortles is your QB means something. If you think letting him walk was a good idea you're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree.

And we still get to 'letting him walk'.   He said it was time to move on.  So you want to force him to be here and have a disgruntled WR who was already giving half effort the previous year that he played?

Doesn't make sense to me.  If you think letting him walk forcing him to be here was a good idea you're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree.

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Wow, I thought the ARob thing was dead. Here's how I saw it:

1. He tore his ACL and rehabbed it. OK. Good, but now he's a gamble going into a second contract/franchise tag year.
2. Someone here said that the average #yards gained by a WR in the first season after rehabbing an ACL is 850. Accepting that as somewhere around correct, he gained 754 last year, somewhat in the range.
3. They could have franchised him last year for, you tell me, $XX million and gotten those 754 yards while attempting to negotiate an extension.
4. He was, and is, still damaged goods...the jury is still out on that ACL.
5. He didn't even want to be here. That extension would never have been negotiated, he would gotten franchise tag money for another year of disinterested play.
6. Repeat after me: he didn't want to be here.

Let someone else pay him the big money and the Bears did. Good for them and good for him and wish him luck. Just imagine the boo-hooing and the front office roasting here if we gave him the $40-50 million contract and he gained 754 yards.

IMO, if there ever was a guy to let walk, it was him. Solid FO decision.

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Pretty sure I recall the Jags offered Arob more money than Chicago gave him.

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Wow, I thought the ARob thing was dead. Here's how I saw it:

1. He tore his ACL and rehabbed it. OK. Good, but now he's a gamble going into a second contract/franchise tag year.
2. Someone here said that the average #yards gained by a WR in the first season after rehabbing an ACL is 850. Accepting that as somewhere around correct, he gained 754 last year, somewhat in the range.
3. They could have franchised him last year for, you tell me, $XX million and gotten those 754 yards while attempting to negotiate an extension.
4. He was, and is, still damaged goods...the jury is still out on that ACL.
5. He didn't even want to be here. That extension would never have been negotiated, he would gotten franchise tag money for another year of disinterested play.
6. Repeat after me: he didn't want to be here.

Let someone else pay him the big money and the Bears did. Good for them and good for him and wish him luck. Just imagine the boo-hooing and the front office roasting here if we gave him the $40-50 million contract and he gained 754 yards.

IMO, if there ever was a guy to let walk, it was him. Solid FO decision.

#1 #3 True.
#2, I doubt that's the average. Would you bet your mortgage on Lee coming within 70% of that number this year?
#4, The jury has rendered its verdict. He was completely recovered from the ACL by the end of last season.
#5, #6 A player on a franchise year is going to do everything he can to show future employers his value. He would have been crazy to slack off. And he could have changed his mind about his feelings about the Jags during that year.

The real problem is that he could have been franchised for what they paid Lee and Moncrief. Robinson's down year in 2016 was still better than Lee's best. With the injury it would have been a risk to franchise him, and hindsight is 20/20, but since the injury was in early September the Jags should have had enough medical info on him by March 1st that they could have made a good guess. Even if he hadn't recovered, the mistake would have only been a one year hit. In retrospect the alternative of Lee/Moncrief was definitely a mistake, and Lee still impacts the team cap.

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Letting ARob go was the worst thing for us. We could have this terrible WR corp but be like well at least we still have ARob. He came off an ACL tear last year and lit it up for the Bears. #becausejaguars

I'm sure ARob didn't like playing with Bortles. We probably figured he wouldn't bounce back off his ACL like he did.. we dumped Hurns and Robinson like we didn't need a passing game. This genius FO thought somehow Cole and DJ Chark would solidify us. The Lee deal is tragic but we got what we deserve now. It's literally up to Foles and random scrubs basically. Although we aren't sure what we're getting from Conley and Westbrook yet. Those two seem to have been doing great work for us in the drills against Baltimore.

A-Rob did not light it up in Chi-Town. Not as of yet anyway. Also we offered him more money to stay but he was determined to leave. Our existing receiving corp is honestly unproven for the same reason that A-Rob departed. Before we classify the existing receiving corp as "scrubs", how about we wait and see how they produce w/NF7 delivering the ball.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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Pretty sure I recall the Jags offered Arob more money than Chicago gave him.

Quiet you, no room for facts and logic in here.

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Wow, I thought the ARob thing was dead. Here's how I saw it:

1. He tore his ACL and rehabbed it. OK. Good, but now he's a gamble going into a second contract/franchise tag year.
2. Someone here said that the average #yards gained by a WR in the first season after rehabbing an ACL is 850. Accepting that as somewhere around correct, he gained 754 last year, somewhat in the range.
3. They could have franchised him last year for, you tell me, $XX million and gotten those 754 yards while attempting to negotiate an extension.
4. He was, and is, still damaged goods...the jury is still out on that ACL.
5. He didn't even want to be here. That extension would never have been negotiated, he would gotten franchise tag money for another year of disinterested play.
6. Repeat after me: he didn't want to be here.

Let someone else pay him the big money and the Bears did. Good for them and good for him and wish him luck. Just imagine the boo-hooing and the front office roasting here if we gave him the $40-50 million contract and he gained 754 yards.

IMO, if there ever was a guy to let walk, it was him. Solid FO decision.

#1 #3 True.
#2, I doubt that's the average. Would you bet your mortgage on Lee coming within 70% of that number this year?
#4, The jury has rendered its verdict. He was completely recovered from the ACL by the end of last season.
#5, #6 A player on a franchise year is going to do everything he can to show future employers his value. He would have been crazy to slack off. And he could have changed his mind about his feelings about the Jags during that year.

The real problem is that he could have been franchised for what they paid Lee and Moncrief. Robinson's down year in 2016 was still better than Lee's best. With the injury it would have been a risk to franchise him, and hindsight is 20/20, but since the injury was in early September the Jags should have had enough medical info on him by March 1st that they could have made a good guess. Even if he hadn't recovered, the mistake would have only been a one year hit. In retrospect the alternative of Lee/Moncrief was definitely a mistake, and Lee still impacts the team cap.

- I thought 850 yards was generous but it seems somewhat reasonable. Lee at 70% of 850 or about 700 yards this year? No, I wouldn't bet on it.
- I'm not convinced yet on the ACL being healed. Recent surgical advances have certainly changed the game though.
- I agree to a point on his working hard in a franchise tag year and your Lee/Moncrief argument is valid. On the Jags making a good guess in March, maybe they did. 

It wasn't a foregone conclusion that Lee would get hurt and Moncrief would suck, it could have gone the other way, too. Excluding them and looking just at Arob, have the Bears gotten value from their investment in him yet?

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#1 #3 True.
#2, I doubt that's the average. Would you bet your mortgage on Lee coming within 70% of that number this year?
#4, The jury has rendered its verdict. He was completely recovered from the ACL by the end of last season.
#5, #6 A player on a franchise year is going to do everything he can to show future employers his value. He would have been crazy to slack off. And he could have changed his mind about his feelings about the Jags during that year.

The real problem is that he could have been franchised for what they paid Lee and Moncrief. Robinson's down year in 2016 was still better than Lee's best. With the injury it would have been a risk to franchise him, and hindsight is 20/20, but since the injury was in early September the Jags should have had enough medical info on him by March 1st that they could have made a good guess. Even if he hadn't recovered, the mistake would have only been a one year hit. In retrospect the alternative of Lee/Moncrief was definitely a mistake, and Lee still impacts the team cap.

- I thought 850 yards was generous but it seems somewhat reasonable. Lee at 70% of 850 or about 700 yards this year? No, I wouldn't bet on it.
- I'm not convinced yet on the ACL being healed. Recent surgical advances have certainly changed the game though.
- I agree to a point on his working hard in a franchise tag year and your Lee/Moncrief argument is valid. On the Jags making a good guess in March, maybe they did. 

It wasn't a foregone conclusion that Lee would get hurt and Moncrief would suck, it could have gone the other way, too. Excluding them and looking just at Arob, have the Bears gotten value from their investment in him yet?

From what little I watched of the Bears last year, ARob looked to me to be his former self, cutting and making tough catches. He was never all that fast. He led the Bears in receiving last year, and I'm not convinced Trubisky is any more than mediocre.

I agree the jury is still out on the decision. Robinson could end up as a problem child for the Bears. Lee could come back and have a great season, but the odds are very low, and would have been even if he hadn't been injured. The Jags replaced a potential top-level receiver with two mediocre receivers. At the time I was not so alarmed that they didn't keep Robinson as I was that they signed Lee and Moncrief, especially since the money they paid Moncrief for just one year was a significant fraction of what they would have paid Robinson under the franchise tag (also for just one year). If the Jags had used that money for another position instead of Moncrief that would have been more sensible.

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- I thought 850 yards was generous but it seems somewhat reasonable. Lee at 70% of 850 or about 700 yards this year? No, I wouldn't bet on it.
- I'm not convinced yet on the ACL being healed. Recent surgical advances have certainly changed the game though.
- I agree to a point on his working hard in a franchise tag year and your Lee/Moncrief argument is valid. On the Jags making a good guess in March, maybe they did. 

It wasn't a foregone conclusion that Lee would get hurt and Moncrief would suck, it could have gone the other way, too. Excluding them and looking just at Arob, have the Bears gotten value from their investment in him yet?

From what little I watched of the Bears last year, ARob looked to me to be his former self, cutting and making tough catches. He was never all that fast. He led the Bears in receiving last year, and I'm not convinced Trubisky is any more than mediocre.

I agree the jury is still out on the decision. Robinson could end up as a problem child for the Bears. Lee could come back and have a great season, but the odds are very low, and would have been even if he hadn't been injured. The Jags replaced a potential top-level receiver with two mediocre receivers. At the time I was not so alarmed that they didn't keep Robinson as I was that they signed Lee and Moncrief, especially since the money they paid Moncrief for just one year was a significant fraction of what they would have paid Robinson under the franchise tag (also for just one year). If the Jags had used that money for another position instead of Moncrief that would have been more sensible.

I agree with you. Especially in bold. I caught a few of their prime time games last year and he seemed like he was able to go up and get it in those 50/50 situations like he did before the injury here in Jacksonville. 

Nagy was very creative last year on offense with Trubisky and the running game. I think they got exposed a bit in the play-offs on offense. Game managing can only get you so far. Cody Parkey couldn't get it done though as a Kicker. LOL. 

But throughout the year he seemed to call a fairly balanced attack of run and pass and they didn't really have a big name standout on offense. They just got it done collectively, played mistake free and executed well when they needed to. 

Having Khalil Mack and that defense didn't hurt though. Ranked numero uno last year defensively. Surprisingly though, they finished 9th best last year on offense.

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- I thought 850 yards was generous but it seems somewhat reasonable. Lee at 70% of 850 or about 700 yards this year? No, I wouldn't bet on it.
- I'm not convinced yet on the ACL being healed. Recent surgical advances have certainly changed the game though.
- I agree to a point on his working hard in a franchise tag year and your Lee/Moncrief argument is valid. On the Jags making a good guess in March, maybe they did. 

It wasn't a foregone conclusion that Lee would get hurt and Moncrief would suck, it could have gone the other way, too. Excluding them and looking just at Arob, have the Bears gotten value from their investment in him yet?

From what little I watched of the Bears last year, ARob looked to me to be his former self, cutting and making tough catches. He was never all that fast. He led the Bears in receiving last year, and I'm not convinced Trubisky is any more than mediocre.

I agree the jury is still out on the decision. Robinson could end up as a problem child for the Bears. Lee could come back and have a great season, but the odds are very low, and would have been even if he hadn't been injured. The Jags replaced a potential top-level receiver with two mediocre receivers. At the time I was not so alarmed that they didn't keep Robinson as I was that they signed Lee and Moncrief, especially since the money they paid Moncrief for just one year was a significant fraction of what they would have paid Robinson under the franchise tag (also for just one year). If the Jags had used that money for another position instead of Moncrief that would have been more sensible.

- I thought 850 yards was generous but it seems somewhat reasonable. Lee at 70% of 850 or about 700 yards this year? No, I wouldn't bet on it.
- I'm not convinced yet on the ACL being healed. Recent surgical advances have certainly changed the game though.
- I agree to a point on his working hard in a franchise tag year and your Lee/Moncrief argument is valid. On the Jags making a good guess in March, maybe they did. 

It wasn't a foregone conclusion that Lee would get hurt and Moncrief would suck, it could have gone the other way, too. Excluding them and looking just at Arob, have the Bears gotten value from their investment in him yet?

From what little I watched of the Bears last year, ARob looked to me to be his former self, cutting and making tough catches. He was never all that fast. He led the Bears in receiving last year, and I'm not convinced Trubisky is any more than mediocre.

I agree the jury is still out on the decision. Robinson could end up as a problem child for the Bears. Lee could come back and have a great season, but the odds are very low, and would have been even if he hadn't been injured. The Jags replaced a potential top-level receiver with two mediocre receivers. At the time I was not so alarmed that they didn't keep Robinson as I was that they signed Lee and Moncrief, especially since the money they paid Moncrief for just one year was a significant fraction of what they would have paid Robinson under the franchise tag (also for just one year). If the Jags had used that money for another position instead of Moncrief that would have been more sensible.

I, too, was appalled at the money they gave Moncrief and can't understand why they ignore the OL (Smoot over Dan Feeney; Bryan over Will Hernandez, etc) continuously. I've always said that if you build a big, tough offensive line then anyone, including Jags02, could play behind it.

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