Known cases divided by known deaths works out to about 200, lately.
0.5% of the known cases are dying.
That's a death rate about five times worse than the flu.

And as shown above, the number of known cases is understated by an amount that makes anything published to be completely worthless, especially when coupled with all the fraudulent attributions causing the actual CFR to be overstated. Bottom line is still the same, 99.98% survival rate.

Whatever mathmagic you do to the covid side of the comparison, you have to do to the flu side.
How does the flu side compare, apples to apples?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Just so I am clear, protests are still ok?

Absolutely if people in Michigan can protest with guns about their rights...the same applies elsewhere.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Just so I am clear, protests are still ok?

Absolutely if people in Michigan can protest with guns about their rights...the same applies elsewhere.

So, shutdown businesses. Continue protests.

Got it.

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Just wear a mask, people!

And not below your nose like a moron.

Technically I’m in the camp of people wearing masks to prevent the spread, but those who choose not to wear one have that same right. 

I just don’t understand why people on both sides of this issue just try to be respectful.

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Absolutely if people in Michigan can protest with guns about their rights...the same applies elsewhere.

So, shutdown businesses. Continue protests.

Got it.

Not really.

Business can operate in a limited capacity with no dine in.  

Cops just need to be held accountable.

And people who hate wearing mask can show up at Big gretch mansion with guns blazing

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

"Have you noticed how perfectly timed these crises are? Impeachment flames out and we get COVID. COVID flames out and we get riots. Riots flame out and we get COVID.

If you think any of that is a coincidence, you need a new hobby."

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Those "solutions" were meant to flatten the curve so that hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed. The same number of people will still eventually contract the disease.

More or less. I think the end goal was to have social distancing in place to slow things down long enough to get a vaccine done, but the short term idea was definitely to keep hospitals from ending up like Italy.

Dr. Tony Fauchi has turned the entire country into cynics, with good reason. The government has botched stimulus payments. Landlords can't evict people right now. "Essential" large companies are burying small business. Virtual learning has been a complete disaster. Tony Fauchi has scared people into skipping routine tests that will likely kill them anyway.

It is a mess and people should be allowed to make their own calculated decisions on how they want to live their lives.

When one person's refusal to put a [BLEEP] piece of cloth over their face in public results in a disease being passed by them to someone else, who takes it home and passes it to another person that dies, well, their right to a calculated decision does not overrule someone else's right to not be dead.

Also, evictions are happening. Don't know about Florida, but lots of eviction notices went out for the first time in months not too long ago. Stimulus payments...yeah. When no one can explain where the money went, that's a problem. When $1.4B went to dead people, problem. Small businesses are failing for lots of reasons right now, but to boil that back to big businesses burying them...I'm not sure that's accurate. Not entirely so, anyway. I've not heard that virtual learning has been "a complete disaster". I know my pool of research is limited, but I have several friends and one extended family member who are teachers, and they all share the same experience: getting everything figured out sucked and there were lots of early growing pains, but after that was all sorted out, it went quite well.

Just wear a mask, people!

And not below your nose like a moron.

Preach, Brother Biscuit!

I find it ironic you trust a the same government that sent 1.4B to dead people pushing vote by mail.

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And as shown above, the number of known cases is understated by an amount that makes anything published to be completely worthless, especially when coupled with all the fraudulent attributions causing the actual CFR to be overstated. Bottom line is still the same, 99.98% survival rate.

Whatever mathmagic you do to the covid side of the comparison, you have to do to the flu side.
How does the flu side compare, apples to apples?

How can I tell you didn't read the study?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

what happens when you add in record levels of pneumonia  deaths?

You won't get any adding round here.

Nothing to see here.

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And as shown above, the number of known cases is understated by an amount that makes anything published to be completely worthless, especially when coupled with all the fraudulent attributions causing the actual CFR to be overstated. Bottom line is still the same, 99.98% survival rate.

Whatever mathmagic you do to the covid side of the comparison, you have to do to the flu side.
How does the flu side compare, apples to apples?

Well we have no idea because the "flu deaths" are just estimated, while Wuhan virus deaths are counted based on death certificates. Also, the government never offered a bonus if flu was listed as the cause of death.

We're still dealing with a lot of unknowns about the Wuhan virus.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

"Have you noticed how perfectly timed these crises are? Impeachment flames out and we get COVID. COVID flames out and we get riots. Riots flame out and we get COVID.

If you think any of that is a coincidence, you need a new hobby."

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More or less. I think the end goal was to have social distancing in place to slow things down long enough to get a vaccine done, but the short term idea was definitely to keep hospitals from ending up like Italy.


When one person's refusal to put a [BLEEP] piece of cloth over their face in public results in a disease being passed by them to someone else, who takes it home and passes it to another person that dies, well, their right to a calculated decision does not overrule someone else's right to not be dead.

Also, evictions are happening. Don't know about Florida, but lots of eviction notices went out for the first time in months not too long ago. Stimulus payments...yeah. When no one can explain where the money went, that's a problem. When $1.4B went to dead people, problem. Small businesses are failing for lots of reasons right now, but to boil that back to big businesses burying them...I'm not sure that's accurate. Not entirely so, anyway. I've not heard that virtual learning has been "a complete disaster". I know my pool of research is limited, but I have several friends and one extended family member who are teachers, and they all share the same experience: getting everything figured out sucked and there were lots of early growing pains, but after that was all sorted out, it went quite well.


Preach, Brother Biscuit!

I find it ironic you trust a the same government that sent 1.4B to dead people pushing vote by mail.

I don't. I don't trust them at all. I also know that it's not that [BLEEP] hard to run a merge file of your registered voters against the master death file.

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"Have you noticed how perfectly timed these crises are? Impeachment flames out and we get COVID. COVID flames out and we get riots. Riots flame out and we get COVID.

If you think any of that is a coincidence, you need a new hobby."

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I find it ironic you trust a the same government that sent 1.4B to dead people pushing vote by mail.

I don't. I don't trust them at all. I also know that it's not that [BLEEP] hard to run a merge file of your registered voters against the master death file.

Master death file? Is that kind of like a system that you enter a SSN into and it returns true or false based on vital information like 1. Has a pulse. 2. Has an actual SSN. 3. Isnt a criminal?

That would be death to the Democratic party.

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what happens when you add in record levels of pneumonia  deaths?

We get to 75x instead of 80x?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

So...which is it? There were way more cases than we thought, so we've got it just this side of beat? Or the whole thing is overblown and was never really a problem in the first place? It's hard to tell when so many true facts contradict each other.

It's the flu. No matter how many people plead otherwise, it's the equivalent of a bad flu strain. 99.98% of the people who contract it will survive. It's a sickness but it's not the Plague. What terrifies me personally about this is that we've created a distrust in our expertise and institutions that will carry over to the next possible pandemic and if it's something truly horrific like Ebola then people are just going to ignore it and really suffer.

The infection rate and survivability rates may be similar to a bad flu strain, but the illness itself is much worse. Ask anyone working to care for the afflicted in hospitals. A patient with the virus requires 3 times more care than an influenza sufferer, and more people who get sick from it require hospitalization than with the flu. It's a much bigger strain on medical resources than the flu, and much more contagious. For certain segments of the population attracting the virus is a death sentence.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

I don't. I don't trust them at all. I also know that it's not that [BLEEP] hard to run a merge file of your registered voters against the master death file.

Master death file? Is that kind of like a system that you enter a SSN into and it returns true or false based on vital information like 1. Has a pulse. 2. Has an actual SSN. 3. Isnt a criminal?

That would be death to the Democratic party.

It’s a file maintained by the federal government that contains the name, DOB and SSN (and more, I think) of people who are, you know, dead. A wonderful reference for questions like, “Is the person registering to vote right now actually alive?”, or, “Am I about to send a $1,200 stimulus check to a corpse?”. I wish the government would use it more. And private industry for that matter. So much of my life is taken up by deaf people who get a credit card it’s not even funny.

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Not just a respiratory illness

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-...r-BB15ZHns

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It's the flu. No matter how many people plead otherwise, it's the equivalent of a bad flu strain. 99.98% of the people who contract it will survive. It's a sickness but it's not the Plague. What terrifies me personally about this is that we've created a distrust in our expertise and institutions that will carry over to the next possible pandemic and if it's something truly horrific like Ebola then people are just going to ignore it and really suffer.

The infection rate and survivability rates may be similar to a bad flu strain, but the illness itself is much worse. Ask anyone working to care for the afflicted in hospitals. A patient with the virus requires 3 times more care than an influenza sufferer, and more people who get sick from it require hospitalization than with the flu. It's a much bigger strain on medical resources than the flu, and much more contagious. For certain segments of the population attracting the virus is a death sentence.

Bull [BLEEP]. None of the positives I know have even been symptomatic, this is mass hysteria, pure and simple.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Not just a respiratory illness

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-...r-BB15ZHns

Fear mongering from MSN using snips of qoutes and twisted statistics. Greater than 80% of all Covid cases are asymptomatic, most of the numbers that article is referencing only applies to critical symptomatic cases which works out to less than 5% of total symptomatic cases. Millions of people have had the virus and didn't know it and are just fine, millions more are going to get it and, again, will be just fine. The best thing for everyone to do is practice hand hygiene and stay home if you feel sick. Another assault on the economy will do far more damage than this virus.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Not just a respiratory illness

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-...r-BB15ZHns

Fear mongering from MSN using snips of qoutes and twisted statistics. Greater than 80% of all Covid cases are asymptomatic, most of the numbers that article is referencing only applies to critical symptomatic cases which works out to less than 5% of total symptomatic cases. Millions of people have had the virus and didn't know it and are just fine, millions more are going to get it and, again, will be just fine. The best thing for everyone to do is practice hand hygiene and stay home if you feel sick. Another assault on the economy will do far more damage than this virus.

That number is actually estimated to be between 40-45% --  NOT 80. 
And those asymptomatic carriers can still transmit the virus for 14+ days. 

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3012

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Just a reminder that 1.3% of people 65 and older who contract Covid-19 will die from the virus.

There are nearly 5 million people in this age group group in the state of FL.

Politicians depend on this group for votes and campaign donations. They are beginning to receive blowback for not protecting them and that will in turn influence policy.

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The infection rate and survivability rates may be similar to a bad flu strain, but the illness itself is much worse. Ask anyone working to care for the afflicted in hospitals. A patient with the virus requires 3 times more care than an influenza sufferer, and more people who get sick from it require hospitalization than with the flu. It's a much bigger strain on medical resources than the flu, and much more contagious. For certain segments of the population attracting the virus is a death sentence.

Bull [BLEEP]. None of the positives I know have even been symptomatic, this is mass hysteria, pure and simple.

Ever heard of "mother-in-law research"?

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Fear mongering from MSN using snips of qoutes and twisted statistics. Greater than 80% of all Covid cases are asymptomatic, most of the numbers that article is referencing only applies to critical symptomatic cases which works out to less than 5% of total symptomatic cases. Millions of people have had the virus and didn't know it and are just fine, millions more are going to get it and, again, will be just fine. The best thing for everyone to do is practice hand hygiene and stay home if you feel sick. Another assault on the economy will do far more damage than this virus.

That number is actually estimated to be between 40-45% --  NOT 80. 
And those asymptomatic carriers can still transmit the virus for 14+ days. 

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3012

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Just a reminder that 1.3% of people 65 and older who contract Covid-19 will die from the virus.

There are nearly 5 million people in this age group group in the state of FL.

Politicians depend on this group for votes and campaign donations. They are beginning to receive blowback for not protecting them and it that will in turn influence policy.

The Diamond Princess had over 3,000 passengers. If you have ever been on a cruise ship you would know that the median age is well over 65. They didn't know about an infection until 14 days at sea, so pretty much everyone was exposed to the virus in the common dining areas.  Everyone was tested, 17% tested positive and seven died (0.2%).

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

That number is actually estimated to be between 40-45% --  NOT 80. 
And those asymptomatic carriers can still transmit the virus for 14+ days. 

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3012

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Just a reminder that 1.3% of people 65 and older who contract Covid-19 will die from the virus.

There are nearly 5 million people in this age group group in the state of FL.

Politicians depend on this group for votes and campaign donations. They are beginning to receive blowback for not protecting them and it that will in turn influence policy.

The Diamond Princess had over 3,000 passengers. If you have ever been on a cruise ship you would know that the median age is well over 65. They didn't know about an infection until 14 days at sea, so pretty much everyone was exposed to the virus in the common dining areas.  Everyone was tested, 17% tested positive and seven died (0.2%).

LOL

Are you trying to debate the 1.3% fatality rate in those aged 65+ ???

Because of a [BLEEP] cruise ship??? 

Really???

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