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Minshew is the man.


(09-25-2020, 12:37 PM)mal234 Wrote: Last night was a rougher game for Gardner. Though it wasn't his worst performance(London last year was worse). Or even the worst performance by a QB this season. (And it probably won't be the worst QB performance this week either.)

Gardner had problems last night but I believe he.will bounce back. One big problem I think he had last night is that he seemed fidgety. I do think that a lot to do with missing key players from his offense. And once again feeling the pressure of being down multiple scores early on, due to the defense. Bucky Brooks said he felt like Gardner was trying to do too much. I can see why Gardner might try and do that considering how once again his team was down big.

Hopefully, he will look at his mistakes and get with Jay and go back to playing smart football. If he does that and Jay makes good adjustments he'll be fine. He needs to try and settle down in games even when the defense is playing poorly. He did that last week after being a bit fidgety against the Titans. He aeemed a little rattled in the 1st half, but settled down and made good plays in the 2nd half. He was more patient and almost led the Jags to the win. He needs to play more like that.

Gardner reminds me A LOT of Tony Romo. Mentally and physically. I think sometimes he just tries to do too much and elevate the team because they’re not good.
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(09-25-2020, 01:43 PM)PS9 Wrote:
(09-25-2020, 12:37 PM)mal234 Wrote: Last night was a rougher game for Gardner. Though it wasn't his worst performance(London last year was worse). Or even the worst performance by a QB this season. (And it probably won't be the worst QB performance this week either.)

Gardner had problems last night but I believe he.will bounce back. One big problem I think he had last night is that he seemed fidgety. I do think that a lot to do with missing key players from his offense. And once again feeling the pressure of being down multiple scores early on, due to the defense. Bucky Brooks said he felt like Gardner was trying to do too much. I can see why Gardner might try and do that considering how once again his team was down big.

Hopefully, he will look at his mistakes and get with Jay and go back to playing smart football. If he does that and Jay makes good adjustments he'll be fine. He needs to try and settle down in games even when the defense is playing poorly. He did that last week after being a bit fidgety against the Titans. He aeemed a little rattled in the 1st half, but settled down and made good plays in the 2nd half. He was more patient and almost led the Jags to the win. He needs to play more like that.

Gardner reminds me A LOT of Tony Romo. Mentally and physically. I think sometimes he just tries to do too much and elevate the team because they’re not good.

 
Yesterday afternoon, one of the hosts on NFL Sirius Radio  compared Gardner Minshaw II to Jeff Garcia in a complimentary way.  The Moxie is evident.

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(09-25-2020, 01:43 PM)PS9 Wrote:
(09-25-2020, 12:37 PM)mal234 Wrote: Last night was a rougher game for Gardner. Though it wasn't his worst performance(London last year was worse). Or even the worst performance by a QB this season. (And it probably won't be the worst QB performance this week either.)

Gardner had problems last night but I believe he.will bounce back. One big problem I think he had last night is that he seemed fidgety. I do think that a lot to do with missing key players from his offense. And once again feeling the pressure of being down multiple scores early on, due to the defense. Bucky Brooks said he felt like Gardner was trying to do too much. I can see why Gardner might try and do that considering how once again his team was down big.

Hopefully, he will look at his mistakes and get with Jay and go back to playing smart football. If he does that and Jay makes good adjustments he'll be fine. He needs to try and settle down in games even when the defense is playing poorly. He did that last week after being a bit fidgety against the Titans. He aeemed a little rattled in the 1st half, but settled down and made good plays in the 2nd half. He was more patient and almost led the Jags to the win. He needs to play more like that.

Gardner reminds me A LOT of Tony Romo. Mentally and physically. I think sometimes he just tries to do too much and elevate the team because they’re not good.

I have seen other people compare him to Tony Romo. (In addition to comparions to.other QBs)

Trent Dilfer said last season he:'s a lot like Tony Romo and that Gardner Minshew is a franchise QB. He said that him and Drew.Bledsoe have watched Gardner and had discussions about him.. Drew also really likes Gardner.

I do think he does get concerned about getting behind (and lately that's been largely due to the defense getting the team in a hole. And that can contribute to him trying to do too much. Hopefully he'll learn to become settled even in situations loke that. And do the things he does best including, making.smart.accurate plays. If he does that he can help keep the team in games. And I think he could end up being fine.

I think that Gardner is a quality starter in this league like Greg Cosell has stated.
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(09-25-2020, 01:04 PM)mal234 Wrote:
(09-25-2020, 12:06 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: What?

His deep ball accuracy and arm strength is pretty mediocre.

Last year his deep ball was good and I believe I saw a stat saying that in last week's game like half of his passes were 10+yards. His deep ball is fine and while he may not have the strongest arm he is usually accurate and has good touch on his throws. 
(09-25-2020, 12:30 PM)Kane Wrote: He's been spreading the ball around a lot though. He isn't so dependent on one WR. But to act like defenses don't pull coverages to Chark to open things up for other guys is naive. Also, Conley dropping a couple easy balls were drive killers.

Minshew wasn't perfect last night but he wasn't terrible either considering their pass rush got at him on like 15 drop backs (4 sacks and a ton of pressures) Linder being out hurt and Cam being (wrongfully) ejected made it worse.

It's one game. A bad one, but only one bad game from the offense, on a Thursday night short week...
I'm going to hold off on calling Minshew bad or looking toward the draft already.

Yeah, they were doing a good job of spreading the ball around especially in the first two games
 To the point to where I saw people with fantasy teams say Gardner wasn't targeting DJ enough.

While I have liked what Jay has done overall, I do hold him a bit accountable for.not doing more with the offensive.weapons last night. I definitely think the ball was given too much to Conley. And players like Laviska Shenault should have been utilitzed more. Laviska has created opportunties/distractions for the offense this years when teams were drawn to him. 

And it opened up plays for Gardner/other offensive players. He should have been used more especially with DJ being out.

And James Robinson could have been used more too, especially since he was the only person that was really effective last night.
 
All of that being said DJ is very valuable to this team. He really is a good deep threat for them. I hope he gets healthy and comes back sooner than later. I did see a Twitter post saying they were being cautious with him on a short week, but that he would probably be back for the Bengals. I hope so.

I think it’s safe to say we won’t be featuring Conley until he has proven to have rebounded. I really like Conley, but that was a super rough outing. I think he can and will rebound though.
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Minshew isn’t the guy if we want to be legit contenders year in and year out. I’d like to tank for Trevor it’s not a guarantee he is but it’s a decent shot he is and I think it’s clear minshew is not that guy don’t waste the next 3 years or more before realizing it. The worst qb in the league are the Phillip rivers and Matt stafford guys your completely stuck for 15 years you’re better off with a scrub like trubisky at least you know you need to replace him
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(09-25-2020, 03:19 PM)PAJag Wrote: Minshew isn’t the guy if we want to be legit contenders year in and year out. I’d like to tank for Trevor it’s not a guarantee he is but it’s a decent shot he is and I think it’s clear minshew is not that guy don’t waste the next 3 years or more before realizing it. The worst qb in the league are the Phillip rivers and Matt stafford guys your completely stuck for 15 years you’re better off with a scrub like trubisky at least you know you need to replace him

Hey since you're in PA maybe go root for Philly if you want to "tank".

Minshew has 15 starts, you don't clearly know anything about a QB with that small a sample size.

Only losers WANT to lose.
If Trevor isn't a guarantee, how do you know he's not the next Matt Stafford or Philip Rivers (who was a beast in his younger days mind you). Shoot he could be the next Jameis Winston. Wasted first overall pick.
You just want the next hot thing and if Trevor flames out in 2 years you'd be clamoring for the next college star hoping he magically fixes a roster devoid of talent. Does Trevor play defense? Or OL? Can he catch?
Serious questions...

Minshew ain't perfect and he may end up not being a franchise QB. We'll know much more by seasons end. But you can keep all that tank talk. Minshew is in his 2nd year, 3 games in... pump the brakes on the sky falling chicken little.
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Getting a 3 tech that can force pressure up the middle and a good FS should be our top 2 positions of need entering the draft
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(09-25-2020, 03:34 PM)Kane Wrote:
(09-25-2020, 03:19 PM)PAJag Wrote: Minshew isn’t the guy if we want to be legit contenders year in and year out. I’d like to tank for Trevor it’s not a guarantee he is but it’s a decent shot he is and I think it’s clear minshew is not that guy don’t waste the next 3 years or more before realizing it. The worst qb in the league are the Phillip rivers and Matt stafford guys your completely stuck for 15 years you’re better off with a scrub like trubisky at least you know you need to replace him

Hey since you're in PA maybe go root for Philly if you want to "tank".

Minshew has 15 starts, you don't clearly know anything about a QB with that small a sample size.

Only losers WANT to lose.
If Trevor isn't a guarantee, how do you know he's not the next Matt Stafford or Philip Rivers (who was a beast in his younger days mind you). Shoot he could be the next Jameis Winston. Wasted first overall pick.
You just want the next hot thing and if Trevor flames out in 2 years you'd be clamoring for the next college star hoping he magically fixes a roster devoid of talent. Does Trevor play defense? Or OL? Can he catch?
Serious questions...

Minshew ain't perfect and he may end up not being a franchise QB. We'll know much more by seasons end. But you can keep all that tank talk. Minshew is in his 2nd year, 3 games in... pump the brakes on the sky falling chicken little.

You are getting very sensitive just because some of us think Gardner Minshew AKA Shane Flacco from the Replacements is a not a franchise QB. I hope we get Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields because I rather have hope then to be stuck in QB purgatory
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QB isn't the problom,the problom is our loser HC. we could have brady,rogers,even favr in his prime,and we would still be a loseing team. doug is a loser.




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note titans owner means im undeafted againest them. 

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(09-25-2020, 03:34 PM)You Kane Wrote:
(09-25-2020, 03:19 PM)PAJag Wrote: Minshew isn’t the guy if we want to be legit contenders year in and year out. I’d like to tank for Trevor it’s not a guarantee he is but it’s a decent shot he is and I think it’s clear minshew is not that guy don’t waste the next 3 years or more before realizing it. The worst qb in the league are the Phillip rivers and Matt stafford guys your completely stuck for 15 years you’re better off with a scrub like trubisky at least you know you need to replace him

Hey since you're in PA maybe go root for Philly if you want to "tank".

Minshew has 15 starts, you don't clearly know anything about a QB with that small a sample size.

Only losers WANT to lose.
If Trevor isn't a guarantee, how do you know he's not the next Matt Stafford or Philip Rivers (who was a beast in his younger days mind you). Shoot he could be the next Jameis Winston. Wasted first overall pick.
You just want the next hot thing and if Trevor flames out in 2 years you'd be clamoring for the next college star hoping he magically fixes a roster devoid of talent. Does Trevor play defense? Or OL? Can he catch?
Serious questions...

Minshew ain't perfect and he may end up not being a franchise QB. We'll know much more by seasons end. But you can keep all that tank talk. Minshew is in his 2nd year, 3 games in... pump the brakes on the sky falling chicken little.

It’s not a losing mentality it’s a winning mentality I’m not satisfied with mediocre I wanna win a super bowl settling for mediocre is how a loser thinks. Watching the games he just doesn’t have the physical traits to be elite. I really wanted him to succeed but even in the first 2 games you could see his shortcomings. It’s better to realize it now than waiting 5 years and having a built roster but not good enough to win it all because he can’t do it. And what a golden opportunity with one of the best qb prospects of all time just makes to much sense
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(This post was last modified: 09-25-2020, 09:21 PM by Upper.)

Minshew still isn't bad enough to lead us to Lawrence, but I do think he is good enough to give us a fun rest of this season and next year too while we let Trey Lance develop for a season. That's my current hope.
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(09-25-2020, 09:21 PM)Upper Wrote: Minshew still isn't bad enough to lead us to Lawrence, but I do think he is good enough to give us a fun rest of this season and next year too while we let Trey Lance develop for a season. That's my current hope.

Nope. We need to spend every draft asset we have on fixing this God awful defense and improving pass protection.
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(09-25-2020, 09:25 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(09-25-2020, 09:21 PM)Upper Wrote: Minshew still isn't bad enough to lead us to Lawrence, but I do think he is good enough to give us a fun rest of this season and next year too while we let Trey Lance develop for a season. That's my current hope.

Nope. We need to spend every draft asset we have on fixing this God awful defense and improving pass protection.

None of that matters if you don’t have the qb it will be bortles era all over again. That’s why you should just keep trying for one until you got it.
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(09-25-2020, 09:51 PM)PAJag Wrote:
(09-25-2020, 09:25 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Nope. We need to spend every draft asset we have on fixing this God awful defense and improving pass protection.

None of that matters if you don’t have the qb it will be bortles era all over again. That’s why you should just keep trying for one until you got it.

Minshew may not be as good as Brady, but he's not as bad as Bortles was either.
I loved Blake.  I was so excited when we drafted him.  Blake and Gardner are both very entertaining while under pressure, not statues like Leftwich or armadillos like Gabbert.   
There were games where everything clicked for Blake and Gardner both.  And even though neither of them are that guy every game, Gardner's already done it more times than Blake did.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
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(09-25-2020, 09:25 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(09-25-2020, 09:21 PM)Upper Wrote: Minshew still isn't bad enough to lead us to Lawrence, but I do think he is good enough to give us a fun rest of this season and next year too while we let Trey Lance develop for a season. That's my current hope.

Nope. We need to spend every draft asset we have on fixing this God awful defense and improving pass protection.

Fortunately we have enough assets to do both.
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(09-25-2020, 10:16 PM)Upper Wrote:
(09-25-2020, 09:25 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Nope. We need to spend every draft asset we have on fixing this God awful defense and improving pass protection.

Fortunately we have enough assets to do both.

How? We'd have to trade up to get Lawrence and That would cost us multiple first round picks and even more. IMO, he's the only QB worth drafting in round 1. The next best guy on my list is believe it or not, Kyle Trask. I was impressed by him last season. I gotta see how he fares this year, but from what I saw in 2019, I saw something. I normally hate drafting Florida players.
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(09-26-2020, 12:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(09-25-2020, 10:16 PM)Upper Wrote: Fortunately we have enough assets to do both.

How? We'd have to trade up to get Lawrence and That would cost us multiple first round picks and even more. IMO, he's the only QB worth drafting in round 1. The next best guy on my list is believe it or not, Kyle Trask. I was impressed by him last season. I gotta see how he fares this year, but from what I saw in 2019, I saw something. I normally hate drafting Florida players.

I'm anxious to see what that Miss State QB transfer from Stanford (Costello) does.  He could be a sleeper.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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(09-26-2020, 12:38 AM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(09-26-2020, 12:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: How? We'd have to trade up to get Lawrence and That would cost us multiple first round picks and even more. IMO, he's the only QB worth drafting in round 1. The next best guy on my list is believe it or not, Kyle Trask. I was impressed by him last season. I gotta see how he fares this year, but from what I saw in 2019, I saw something. I normally hate drafting Florida players.

I'm anxious to see what that Miss State QB transfer from Stanford (Costello) does.  He could be a sleeper.

He runs so hot and cold, he makes me nervous. He needs to finally start playing consistently. He'll go in stretches where he looks like a first rounder, then he goes into slumps.
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(09-26-2020, 12:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(09-25-2020, 10:16 PM)Upper Wrote: Fortunately we have enough assets to do both.

How? We'd have to trade up to get Lawrence and That would cost us multiple first round picks and even more. IMO, he's the only QB worth drafting in round 1. The next best guy on my list is believe it or not, Kyle Trask. I was impressed by him last season. I gotta see how he fares this year, but from what I saw in 2019, I saw something. I normally hate drafting Florida players.

I said Trey Lance to start, since I agree we aren't going to be bad enough to get Lawrence. I also said he would sit for a season. That gives us Lance plus a year of development, two more full drafts including several extra picks, and a huge amount of cap space.
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(09-26-2020, 09:43 AM)Upper Wrote:
(09-26-2020, 12:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: How? We'd have to trade up to get Lawrence and That would cost us multiple first round picks and even more. IMO, he's the only QB worth drafting in round 1. The next best guy on my list is believe it or not, Kyle Trask. I was impressed by him last season. I gotta see how he fares this year, but from what I saw in 2019, I saw something. I normally hate drafting Florida players.

I said Trey Lance to start, since I agree we aren't going to be bad enough to get Lawrence. I also said he would sit for a season. That gives us Lance plus a year of development, two more full drafts including several extra picks, and a huge amount of cap space.

Trey Lance would be a wasted pick. He's been a starter for 1 season at tiny NDSU and due to Covid 19, their season has been cancelled in 2020, but you want to spend a first rounder on this guy? That sounds like something Gene Smith would do.
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