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#81

Funny how Trump is the most hated president but surprisingly only in certain key areas of the country. That seems completely reasonable. Ninja
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#82
(This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 12:15 PM by NeptuneBeachBum.)

(11-07-2020, 11:37 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: It's not just GA. I have been telling you that. It's an abnormality in GA, PA, WI, and MI. It didn't drive it up every where. You would think you would see national trends. You don't. This is the point I am making. You see some national trends with Biden. You see some trends with Trump. Both did better than 2016. Biden did have a larger turnout than Hillary. However, there are like 8 counties that are statistical anomalies. Biden won the states that had them and you don't find them anywhere else. Not in blue states. Not in red states with blue counties. This is the point I am making.

Your point should be obvious.  There would be less concentrated efforts by Democrats in a Red state like Alabama (where they have no shot of winning) or a blue state like NY (where they will clearly win) to drive up their voters than in swing states like GA, PA, WI, and MI.  Seems obvious that the Democrats had amazing grassroots efforts in blue counties of swing states to drive turn out against the most unpopular president in US history.  Highlighted by Georgia. Quite simple. Incentives for voter turnout would obviously be higher in swing states as well, because voters feel they can truly impact the outcome. Political science 101.

(11-07-2020, 11:38 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: Funny how Trump is the most hated president but surprisingly only in certain key areas of the country. That seems completely reasonable. Ninja

Ever hear of California?  Illinois?  New York?

Ever see the urban vs. rural split in any state?  In Texas, Houston, Dallas, Austin, are all historically blue areas.  Duval county went blue.  Educate yourself somewhere other than QAnon websites.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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#83

(11-07-2020, 11:49 AM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 11:37 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: It's not just GA. I have been telling you that. It's an abnormality in GA, PA, WI, and MI. It didn't drive it up every where. You would think you would see national trends. You don't. This is the point I am making. You see some national trends with Biden. You see some trends with Trump. Both did better than 2016. Biden did have a larger turnout than Hillary. However, there are like 8 counties that are statistical anomalies. Biden won the states that had them and you don't find them anywhere else. Not in blue states. Not in red states with blue counties. This is the point I am making.

Your point should be obvious.  There would be less concentrated efforts by Democrats in a Red state like Alabama (where they have no shot of winning) or a blue state like NY (where they will clearly win) to drive up their voters than in swing states like GA, PA, WI, and MI.  Seems obvious that the Democrats had an amazing grassroots effort their to drive turn out against the most unpopular president in US history.  Quite simple.

Oh, and it just so happens that a water main breaks in the most populous county in the state and they have to wait until all other vote totals are in before they can finish voting... I mean COUNTING.  

You keep saying most unpopular like that actually means something.  You are talking about a candidate that got the second most popular votes in the history of the republic and the largest amount of non-white votes for the GOP since 1960.  Trump was up in every minority demographic and 4 to 5 points in the black community so your major thesis doesn't hold. 

Going back to the Obama years, the kind of ethnic backlash that you are espousing happened EVERYWHERE!  Parts of Ohio, Texas, every major urban area had inordinate black turnout.  In this case its only in GA, MI, PA and Wisconsin.  The 4 states that were within striking distance and the left thought they would need to flip in order to win the presidency.  

True enough, Right now all we have are irregular or unnatural trends.  But, in a place like Michigan you had a popular Black senatorial candidate that would normally be an additional boost to the GOP candidate OVERPERFORMING with blacks, not facing a singular turnout model.  Now in MI you have a documented case of a voting machine spitting out a vote for a Dem when the lever was pulled for the GOP.  I find it interesting that the Mayor of Philly is so quick for trump to concede.  If they have the numbers then why not prove it.  Right now you have tallies compiled by people who hate trumps guts and you have election poll watchers being kicked out of Philadelphia polling stations.  This will probably only amount to GOP folklore to motivate us in the next election, but no reasonable person would deny that there is some smoke there.
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#84

(11-07-2020, 11:49 AM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 11:37 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: It's not just GA. I have been telling you that. It's an abnormality in GA, PA, WI, and MI. It didn't drive it up every where. You would think you would see national trends. You don't. This is the point I am making. You see some national trends with Biden. You see some trends with Trump. Both did better than 2016. Biden did have a larger turnout than Hillary. However, there are like 8 counties that are statistical anomalies. Biden won the states that had them and you don't find them anywhere else. Not in blue states. Not in red states with blue counties. This is the point I am making.

Your point should be obvious.  There would be less concentrated efforts by Democrats in a Red state like Alabama (where they have no shot of winning) or a blue state like NY (where they will clearly win) to drive up their voters than in swing states like GA, PA, WI, and MI.  Seems obvious that the Democrats had amazing grassroots efforts in blue counties of swing states to drive turn out against the most unpopular president in US history.  Highlighted by Georgia.  Quite simple.

(11-07-2020, 11:38 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: Funny how Trump is the most hated president but surprisingly only in certain key areas of the country. That seems completely reasonable. Ninja

Ever here of California?  Illinois?  New York?

Ever see the urban and rural split in any state?  In Texas, Houston, Dallas, Austin, are all blue areas.  Duval county went blue.  Educate yourself somewhere other than QAnon websites.

If you’re going to tell someone to “educate” themselves about anything, at least know the difference between here and hear. And yes, I’ve heard of those places. How many of those places had such a crazy increase in Trump hate turning to Biden votes like the areas we are discussing now?
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#85
(This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 12:21 PM by NeptuneBeachBum.)

(11-07-2020, 11:58 AM)jj82284 Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 11:49 AM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Your point should be obvious.  There would be less concentrated efforts by Democrats in a Red state like Alabama (where they have no shot of winning) or a blue state like NY (where they will clearly win) to drive up their voters than in swing states like GA, PA, WI, and MI.  Seems obvious that the Democrats had an amazing grassroots effort their to drive turn out against the most unpopular president in US history.  Quite simple.

Oh, and it just so happens that a water main breaks in the most populous county in the state and they have to wait until all other vote totals are in before they can finish voting... I mean COUNTING.  

You keep saying most unpopular like that actually means something.  You are talking about a candidate that got the second most popular votes in the history of the republic and the largest amount of non-white votes for the GOP since 1960.  Trump was up in every minority demographic and 4 to 5 points in the black community so your major thesis doesn't hold. 

Going back to the Obama years, the kind of ethnic backlash that you are espousing happened EVERYWHERE!  Parts of Ohio, Texas, every major urban area had inordinate black turnout.  In this case its only in GA, MI, PA and Wisconsin.  The 4 states that were within striking distance and the left thought they would need to flip in order to win the presidency.  

True enough, Right now all we have are irregular or unnatural trends.  But, in a place like Michigan you had a popular Black senatorial candidate that would normally be an additional boost to the GOP candidate OVERPERFORMING with blacks, not facing a singular turnout model.  Now in MI you have a documented case of a voting machine spitting out a vote for a Dem when the lever was pulled for the GOP.  I find it interesting that the Mayor of Philly is so quick for trump to concede.  If they have the numbers then why not prove it.  Right now you have tallies compiled by people who hate trumps guts and you have election poll watchers being kicked out of Philadelphia polling stations.  This will probably only amount to GOP folklore to motivate us in the next election, but no reasonable person would deny that there is some smoke there.

There are so many clueless points you make here that you have no comprehension of whatsoever.

He is the most unpopular, because HE inspired Americans that HATE him to elect Joe Biden, one of the most uninspiring candidates ever, to receive THE MOST VOTES in the history of the Republic.  And it will end up to be 7 million more votes than Trump when the popular vote is fully certified.  California has reported only about two-thirds of their vote count as of yesterday.  You think Biden inspired people to vote Democrat?  Hell no... Trump did that.  Because he is hated.

Only a simple-mind with limit math background would claim Trump did better with black voters this election.  Those stats were overwhelming accumulated from exit polls from voting stations.  In the pandemic, the majority of Democrats voted by mail, including the black vote.  So any claims made from polling from voting stations lack context and are just wrong.

And simple minds are pointing to Philly for fraud.  If they are doing fraud in Philly, they are doing it worse than in 2016, because Trump's percentage of votes was actually slightly better in Philly this year than in 2016.  He's still getting killed, but not as bad as he was then.

Educate yourself on statistics and logic.

(11-07-2020, 12:02 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 11:49 AM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Your point should be obvious.  There would be less concentrated efforts by Democrats in a Red state like Alabama (where they have no shot of winning) or a blue state like NY (where they will clearly win) to drive up their voters than in swing states like GA, PA, WI, and MI.  Seems obvious that the Democrats had amazing grassroots efforts in blue counties of swing states to drive turn out against the most unpopular president in US history.  Highlighted by Georgia.  Quite simple.


Ever here of California?  Illinois?  New York?

Ever see the urban and rural split in any state?  In Texas, Houston, Dallas, Austin, are all blue areas.  Duval county went blue.  Educate yourself somewhere other than QAnon websites.

If you’re going to tell someone to “educate” themselves about anything, at least know the difference between here and hear. And yes, I’ve heard of those places. How many of those places had such a crazy increase in Trump hate turning to Biden votes like the areas we are discussing now?

There is a big difference between a typo and conceptual logic flaws.

All of them have increased hatred, displayed by increased voter turnout everywhere. But logic would dictate that swing states would express those with votes in greater numbers than states where voters know where the electoral votes will go regardless of whether or not they vote. Pretty simple.

But if you have evidence of fraud, please present your case.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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(11-07-2020, 12:11 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 11:58 AM)jj82284 Wrote: Oh, and it just so happens that a water main breaks in the most populous county in the state and they have to wait until all other vote totals are in before they can finish voting... I mean COUNTING.  

You keep saying most unpopular like that actually means something.  You are talking about a candidate that got the second most popular votes in the history of the republic and the largest amount of non-white votes for the GOP since 1960.  Trump was up in every minority demographic and 4 to 5 points in the black community so your major thesis doesn't hold. 

Going back to the Obama years, the kind of ethnic backlash that you are espousing happened EVERYWHERE!  Parts of Ohio, Texas, every major urban area had inordinate black turnout.  In this case its only in GA, MI, PA and Wisconsin.  The 4 states that were within striking distance and the left thought they would need to flip in order to win the presidency.  

True enough, Right now all we have are irregular or unnatural trends.  But, in a place like Michigan you had a popular Black senatorial candidate that would normally be an additional boost to the GOP candidate OVERPERFORMING with blacks, not facing a singular turnout model.  Now in MI you have a documented case of a voting machine spitting out a vote for a Dem when the lever was pulled for the GOP.  I find it interesting that the Mayor of Philly is so quick for trump to concede.  If they have the numbers then why not prove it.  Right now you have tallies compiled by people who hate trumps guts and you have election poll watchers being kicked out of Philadelphia polling stations.  This will probably only amount to GOP folklore to motivate us in the next election, but no reasonable person would deny that there is some smoke there.

There are so many clueless points you make here that you have no comprehension of whatsoever.

He is the most unpopular, because HE inspired Americans that HATE him to elect Joe Biden, one of the most uninspiring candidates ever, to receive THE MOST VOTES in the history of the Republic.  And it will end up to be 7 million more votes than Trump when the popular vote is fully certified.  California has reported only about two-thirds of their vote count as of yesterday.  You think Biden inspired people to vote Democrat?  Hell no... Trump did that.  Because he is hated.

Only a simple-mind with limit math background would claim Trump did better with black voters this election.  Those stats were overwhelming accumulated from exit polls from voting stations.  In the pandemic, the majority of Democrats voted by mail, including the black vote.  So any claims made from polling from voting stations lack context and are just wrong.

And simple minds are pointing to Philly for fraud.  If they are doing fraud in Philly, they are doing it worse than in 2016, because Trump's percentage of votes was actually slightly better in Philly this year than in 2016.  He's still getting killed, but not as bad as he was then.

Educate yourself on statistics and logic.

(11-07-2020, 12:02 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: If you’re going to tell someone to “educate” themselves about anything, at least know the difference between here and hear. And yes, I’ve heard of those places. How many of those places had such a crazy increase in Trump hate turning to Biden votes like the areas we are discussing now?

There is a big difference between a typo and conceptual logic flaws.

All of them have increased hatred, displayed by increased voter turnout everywhere.  But logic would dictate that swing states would express those with votes in greater numbers than states where voters know where the electoral votes will go regardless of whether or not they vote.  Pretty simple.

But if you have evidence of fraud, please present your case.

Lol.  Less popular than Truman?  Less popular than Johnson?  Less popular than Hoover?  Bruh that's just this century.  

Take your win.  Total by about 100-150k votes in 4 or five states.  Enjoy your time, but don't call me the simple minded one cuz.  #historicallyilliterate.

And he did overperform with blacks.  Outside of said couple hundred k votes that you guys found....  i mean turned out through grass roots efforts.  Its not my math, its a national trend.  26% of our votes were non white playa.  But hey, enjoy nearly loosing the house.  Enjoy keeping a minority in the senate.  Thank God the Trump Tax cuts stay in place.  

You know, your side doesn't act like they just ENDED RACISM!!!
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#87
(This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 12:48 PM by NeptuneBeachBum.)

(11-07-2020, 12:31 PM)jj82284 Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 12:11 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: There are so many clueless points you make here that you have no comprehension of whatsoever.

He is the most unpopular, because HE inspired Americans that HATE him to elect Joe Biden, one of the most uninspiring candidates ever, to receive THE MOST VOTES in the history of the Republic.  And it will end up to be 7 million more votes than Trump when the popular vote is fully certified.  California has reported only about two-thirds of their vote count as of yesterday.  You think Biden inspired people to vote Democrat?  Hell no... Trump did that.  Because he is hated.

Only a simple-mind with limit math background would claim Trump did better with black voters this election.  Those stats were overwhelming accumulated from exit polls from voting stations.  In the pandemic, the majority of Democrats voted by mail, including the black vote.  So any claims made from polling from voting stations lack context and are just wrong.

And simple minds are pointing to Philly for fraud.  If they are doing fraud in Philly, they are doing it worse than in 2016, because Trump's percentage of votes was actually slightly better in Philly this year than in 2016.  He's still getting killed, but not as bad as he was then.

Educate yourself on statistics and logic.


There is a big difference between a typo and conceptual logic flaws.

All of them have increased hatred, displayed by increased voter turnout everywhere.  But logic would dictate that swing states would express those with votes in greater numbers than states where voters know where the electoral votes will go regardless of whether or not they vote.  Pretty simple.

But if you have evidence of fraud, please present your case.

Lol.  Less popular than Truman?  Less popular than Johnson?  Less popular than Hoover?  Bruh that's just this century.  

Take your win.  Total by about 100-150k votes in 4 or five states.  Enjoy your time, but don't call me the simple minded one cuz.  #historicallyilliterate.

And he did overperform with blacks.  Outside of said couple hundred k votes that you guys found....  i mean turned out through grass roots efforts.  Its not my math, its a national trend.  26% of our votes were non white playa.  But hey, enjoy nearly loosing the house.  Enjoy keeping a minority in the senate.  Thank God the Trump Tax cuts stay in place.  

You know, your side doesn't act like they just ENDED RACISM!!!

First, I am a conservative; Trump is not.  I am a Christian; Trump is not.  I am a believer in Democracy; Trump is not.  He was a cancer that needed to be removed, so I took my chemotherapy and voted Democrat for the first time in my life.  Anyone who put party over country should be ashamed of themselves.

And in reality, it may be about 250k over 4-5 states when its all tabulated; but the popular vote will  be lost by much greater margins across the country than last time.  Biden will probably win the popular vote from our countrymen by about 7 million this time... or 4 million more than last election.

And yes... the least popular president in US history.  All time worst.  Just look at his pathetic behavior today alone.  Sad.  Embarrassing.  And the fact you don't call it out is shameful.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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(This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 01:11 PM by SeldomRite.)

(11-07-2020, 12:45 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 12:31 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Lol.  Less popular than Truman?  Less popular than Johnson?  Less popular than Hoover?  Bruh that's just this century.  

Take your win.  Total by about 100-150k votes in 4 or five states.  Enjoy your time, but don't call me the simple minded one cuz.  #historicallyilliterate.

And he did overperform with blacks.  Outside of said couple hundred k votes that you guys found....  i mean turned out through grass roots efforts.  Its not my math, its a national trend.  26% of our votes were non white playa.  But hey, enjoy nearly loosing the house.  Enjoy keeping a minority in the senate.  Thank God the Trump Tax cuts stay in place.  

You know, your side doesn't act like they just ENDED RACISM!!!

First, I am a conservative; Trump is not.  I am a Christian; Trump is not.  I am a believer in Democracy; Trump is not.  He was a cancer that needed to be removed, so I took my chemotherapy and voted Democrat for the first time in my life.  Anyone who put party over country should be ashamed of themselves.

And in reality, it may be about 250k over 4-5 states when its all tabulated; but the popular vote will  be lost by much greater margins across the country than last time.  Biden will probably win the popular vote from our countrymen by about 7 million this time... or 4 million more than last election.

And yes... the least popular president in US history.  All time worst.  Just look at his pathetic behavior today alone.  Sad.  Embarrassing.  And the fact you don't call it out is shameful.

When people can't do what you did they're essentially contributing to the destruction of democracy by refusing to accept the possibility of their chosen side's criminality. Democracy doesn't work when people cut themselves off from even considering that the other side might actually not be evil and in fact might actually be better than the current criminal cabal in charge. As a fellow citizen who has not exclusively voted only for persons of one party over the years, congratulations on passing the democracy test, NeptuneBeachBum.
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#89
(This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 01:54 PM by Lucky2Last.)

(11-07-2020, 11:49 AM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 11:37 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: It's not just GA. I have been telling you that. It's an abnormality in GA, PA, WI, and MI. It didn't drive it up every where. You would think you would see national trends. You don't. This is the point I am making. You see some national trends with Biden. You see some trends with Trump. Both did better than 2016. Biden did have a larger turnout than Hillary. However, there are like 8 counties that are statistical anomalies. Biden won the states that had them and you don't find them anywhere else. Not in blue states. Not in red states with blue counties. This is the point I am making.

Your point should be obvious.  There would be less concentrated efforts by Democrats in a Red state like Alabama (where they have no shot of winning) or a blue state like NY (where they will clearly win) to drive up their voters than in swing states like GA, PA, WI, and MI.  Seems obvious that the Democrats had amazing grassroots efforts in blue counties of swing states to drive turn out against the most unpopular president in US history.  Highlighted by Georgia.  Quite simple.  Incentives for voter turnout would obviously be higher in swing states as well, because voters feel they can truly impact the outcome.  Political science 101.

(11-07-2020, 11:38 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: Funny how Trump is the most hated president but surprisingly only in certain key areas of the country. That seems completely reasonable. Ninja

Ever hear of California?  Illinois?  New York?

Ever see the urban vs. rural split in any state?  In Texas, Houston, Dallas, Austin, are all historically blue areas.  Duval county went blue.  Educate yourself somewhere other than QAnon websites.

Does this explain the down-ballot issues in the same states? When you compare Biden in these swing states to EVERY other state in the country, there is a difference between Joe Biden and the democratic candidates down-ballot. This can't be explained by Republicans that voted for Joe, because it's a disparity of numbers on the total votes. Meaning that there are hundreds of thousands of ballots in swing states only where no one voted for a candidate for the Senate or House. Only for Joe. This isn't occurring in other blue counties. Oh, btw, it's also just in the few counties with the huge irregularities. So this grassroots campaign forgot to tell these voters to vote for all democrats?
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(11-07-2020, 01:53 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 11:49 AM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Your point should be obvious.  There would be less concentrated efforts by Democrats in a Red state like Alabama (where they have no shot of winning) or a blue state like NY (where they will clearly win) to drive up their voters than in swing states like GA, PA, WI, and MI.  Seems obvious that the Democrats had amazing grassroots efforts in blue counties of swing states to drive turn out against the most unpopular president in US history.  Highlighted by Georgia.  Quite simple.  Incentives for voter turnout would obviously be higher in swing states as well, because voters feel they can truly impact the outcome.  Political science 101.


Ever hear of California?  Illinois?  New York?

Ever see the urban vs. rural split in any state?  In Texas, Houston, Dallas, Austin, are all historically blue areas.  Duval county went blue.  Educate yourself somewhere other than QAnon websites.

Does this explain the down-ballot issues in the same states? When you compare Biden in these swing states to EVERY other state in the country, there is a difference between Joe Biden and the democratic candidates down-ballot. This can't be explained by Republicans that voted for Joe, because it's a disparity of numbers on the total votes. Meaning that there are hundreds of thousands of ballots in swing states only where no one voted for a candidate for the Senate or House. Only for Joe. This isn't occurring in other blue counties. Oh, btw, it's also just in the few counties with the huge irregularities. So this grassroots campaign forgot to tell these voters to vote for all democrats?

I am ignorant of the logistics of the ballots in Georgia, so I can't answer that.  But what are you suggesting that is fraudulent?
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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(This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 03:19 PM by Lucky2Last.)

Nothing I have said is evidence of fraud with regards to the election. I am saying it is suspicious enough to warrant a closer look. Forensic accountants use Benford's Law to as a tool to detect data manipulation. Basically, it's a rule that is good at predicting when numbers are being manually adjusted by people, not occurring naturally. It is not evidence of anything in and of itself, but it can set off alarms that tell them to dig deeper into the investigation. It doesn't tell the how, but it does indicate something fishy. That's what I am saying is going on in this election. Btw, when you apply Benford's law to the vote submissions in the same counties which I have mentioned, it's the only place where the numbers are off. It could just be a coincidence, but it should be enough to start a legitimate investigation, not just a recount.

I'm taking someone's word at that, btw. My friend that has been collecting this information with me is a data scientist, so he knows more about that than me. If it's true, we, as Americans, should be cool with them taking a closer look.
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#92
(This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 03:31 PM by NeptuneBeachBum.)

(11-07-2020, 03:16 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Nothing I have said is evidence of fraud with regards to the election. I am saying it is suspicious enough to warrant a closer look. Forensic accountants use Benford's Law to as a tool to detect data manipulation. Basically, it's a rule that is good at predicting when numbers are being manually adjusted by people, not occurring naturally. It is not evidence of anything in and of itself, but it can set off alarms that tell them to dig deeper into the investigation. It doesn't tell the how, but it does indicate something fishy. That's what I am saying is going on in this election. Btw, when you apply Benford's law to the vote submissions in the same counties which I have mentioned, it's the only place where the numbers are off. It could just be a coincidence, but it should be enough to start a legitimate investigation, not just a recount.

I'm taking someone's word at that, btw. My friend that has been collecting this information with me is a data scientist, so he knows more about that than me. If it's true, we, as Americans, should be cool with them taking a closer look.

As I said before, those statistical deviations are easily explained in swing states.  But absolutely check them out.  However, to suggest fraud based on that alone is ignorant and damaging to faith in democracy. Before you insinuate wrong doings, have some real facts; not mere statistical probabilities.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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#93

Yeah, Trump needs to watch his language, but there are definitely suspicions that should be investigated. It doesn't hurt anything.
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(This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 03:34 PM by NeptuneBeachBum.)

(11-07-2020, 03:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Yeah, Trump needs to watch his language, but there are definitely suspicions that should be investigated. It doesn't hurt anything.

Just like their are suspicions by the SDNY that need to look at Trump's potentially illegal financial activities that are being investigated.  It doesn't hurt anything.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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#95

And there we go. Let the circular debate begin.
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(This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 03:36 PM by NeptuneBeachBum.)

(11-07-2020, 03:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: And there we go. Let the circular debate begin.

I'm just using your logic against you.  Sorry. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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#97

That's a garbage way to debate. But glad you could concede my point. If you want to debate something else, we can do it in another thread.
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(This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 03:43 PM by NeptuneBeachBum.)

(11-07-2020, 03:38 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: That's a garbage way to debate. But glad you could concede my point. If  you want to debate something else, we can do it in another thread.

Its only garbage from your perspective because logic is not on your side. Their is more credibility to the SDNY's investigation than yours; and it will result in a real outcome.  You're just looking to find something controversial; they have already found something and are looking for unequivocal proof of guilt.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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(11-07-2020, 01:53 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 11:49 AM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Your point should be obvious.  There would be less concentrated efforts by Democrats in a Red state like Alabama (where they have no shot of winning) or a blue state like NY (where they will clearly win) to drive up their voters than in swing states like GA, PA, WI, and MI.  Seems obvious that the Democrats had amazing grassroots efforts in blue counties of swing states to drive turn out against the most unpopular president in US history.  Highlighted by Georgia.  Quite simple.  Incentives for voter turnout would obviously be higher in swing states as well, because voters feel they can truly impact the outcome.  Political science 101.


Ever hear of California?  Illinois?  New York?

Ever see the urban vs. rural split in any state?  In Texas, Houston, Dallas, Austin, are all historically blue areas.  Duval county went blue.  Educate yourself somewhere other than QAnon websites.

Does this explain the down-ballot issues in the same states? When you compare Biden in these swing states to EVERY other state in the country, there is a difference between Joe Biden and the democratic candidates down-ballot. This can't be explained by Republicans that voted for Joe, because it's a disparity of numbers on the total votes. Meaning that there are hundreds of thousands of ballots in swing states only where no one voted for a candidate for the Senate or House. Only for Joe. This isn't occurring in other blue counties. Oh, btw, it's also just in the few counties with the huge irregularities. So this grassroots campaign forgot to tell these voters to vote for all democrats?

I don't find this odd at all. There was one race for the House on my ballot that I left blank as well. It was a Muslim woman with extremely left leaning ideas vs. a right wing nut job. I wasn't gonna endorse either one of them, so I left that section blank. I also know many people (unfortunately,) that don't educate themselves about candidates running for senate or the house or any other local races. They only pay attention to the presidential election, so that's all that they vote for. It's actually extremely common and it drives me nuts! People need to start taking these other races seriously, because sooner or later the candidates you ignore who get voted into the local offices, turn into candidates like Biden and Trump and we stay in a constant flux of chaos. These two old farts should've never been the last candidates standing in the first place.
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(11-07-2020, 03:43 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 01:53 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Does this explain the down-ballot issues in the same states? When you compare Biden in these swing states to EVERY other state in the country, there is a difference between Joe Biden and the democratic candidates down-ballot. This can't be explained by Republicans that voted for Joe, because it's a disparity of numbers on the total votes. Meaning that there are hundreds of thousands of ballots in swing states only where no one voted for a candidate for the Senate or House. Only for Joe. This isn't occurring in other blue counties. Oh, btw, it's also just in the few counties with the huge irregularities. So this grassroots campaign forgot to tell these voters to vote for all democrats?

I don't find this odd at all. There was one race for the House on my ballot that I left blank as well. It was a Muslim woman with extremely left leaning ideas vs. a right wing nut job. I wasn't gonna endorse either one of them, so I left that section blank. I also know many people (unfortunately,) that don't educate themselves about candidates running for senate or the house or any other local races. They only pay attention to the presidential election, so that's all that they vote for. It's actually extremely common and it drives me nuts! People need to start taking these other races seriously, because sooner or later the candidates you ignore who get voted into the local offices, turn into candidates like Biden and Trump and we stay in a constant flux of chaos. These two old farts should've never been the last candidates standing in the first place.

Exactly.  People looking for, or suggesting, nefarious activity without any real evidence when it suits their personal agendas is anti-intellectual and ridiculous.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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