Cmon man, you shouldn't lump Jackson in with Wilson and Mahomes.  Nowhere near the other 2 as a passer

I lumped him in because of the athleticism trait - and how he is on the extreme end of the spectrum. I agree with you, Lamar is definitely not in the same echelon as Mahomes or Wilson in terms of passing ability - I just included him with the other two to give you a range of these so called athletic QBs. Also, going back to my other point, while QB is a significant variable in the team success equation, it is only one part. And for that, I still think the Ravens still have a good chance of making/winning the Superbowl because of how good their team is.

But yeah, he's definitely not on the level of Mahomes/Wilson in terms of passing ability yet.

Yet? He will never be one of the all time great passers like those 2.   But yeah, Baltimore set a record with 12 Pro Bowlers, when healthy they are probably the most talented team in the league from top to bottom and with their defense they always have a chance. Their D hasn't been the same the last few weeks without CC though

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That draftnetwork article is basically how I feel. Trask has the requisite arm strength to make all of the throws when the play goes exactly as planned. If he has plenty of time to go through his whole motion and step into the throw then he can make every throw. It's when the pocket gets muddy and he can't step into the throw, or when he has to throw on the run, that his lack of arm strength is an issue. And as Minshew can attest, those types of out of structure plays happen a lot in the NFL.

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I lumped him in because of the athleticism trait - and how he is on the extreme end of the spectrum. I agree with you, Lamar is definitely not in the same echelon as Mahomes or Wilson in terms of passing ability - I just included him with the other two to give you a range of these so called athletic QBs. Also, going back to my other point, while QB is a significant variable in the team success equation, it is only one part. And for that, I still think the Ravens still have a good chance of making/winning the Superbowl because of how good their team is.

But yeah, he's definitely not on the level of Mahomes/Wilson in terms of passing ability yet.

Yet? He will never be one of the all time great passers like those 2.   But yeah, Baltimore set a record with 12 Pro Bowlers, when healthy they are probably the most talented team in the league from top to bottom and with their defense they always have a chance.   Their D hasn't been the same the last few weeks without CC though

Unless your name is Nostradamus, you don't know anything about the future.

He could become on their level or he could not. As of right now, he's not.

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Yet? He will never be one of the all time great passers like those 2.   But yeah, Baltimore set a record with 12 Pro Bowlers, when healthy they are probably the most talented team in the league from top to bottom and with their defense they always have a chance.   Their D hasn't been the same the last few weeks without CC though

Unless your name is Nostradamus, you don't know anything about the future.

He could become on their level or he could not. As of right now, he's not.

You dont need to be Nostrdamus to see that, you just need a pair of working eyes.

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That draftnetwork article is basically how I feel. Trask has the requisite arm strength to make all of the throws when the play goes exactly as planned. If he has plenty of time to go through his whole motion and step into the throw then he can make every throw. It's when the pocket gets muddy and he can't step into the throw, or when he has to throw on the run, that his lack of arm strength is an issue. And as Minshew can attest, those types of out of structure plays happen a lot in the NFL.

Yet your were in love with Teddy Bridgewater when he came out.  Wasnt athletic, one of the weaker arms to come out, and didn't have the ideal size.

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That draftnetwork article is basically how I feel. Trask has the requisite arm strength to make all of the throws when the play goes exactly as planned. If he has plenty of time to go through his whole motion and step into the throw then he can make every throw. It's when the pocket gets muddy and he can't step into the throw, or when he has to throw on the run, that his lack of arm strength is an issue. And as Minshew can attest, those types of out of structure plays happen a lot in the NFL.

Yet your were in love with Teddy Bridgewater when he came out.  Wasnt athletic, one of the weaker arms to come out, and didn't have the ideal size.

1. I think if I were evaluating Teddy now I would have those qualms too. It's been what 6 years now? I think/hope most of us evaluate differently now than we did more than half a decade ago. Having to put emphasis on a QBs off platform/out of structure traits is a fairly recent thing with the ascension of the Mahomes/Wilson/Kyler/Ljax/Allen prototypes plus all of these hybrid defenses that bring more and more exotic pressures.

2. The hope was that Teddy's arm would get stronger as he put weight on his frame. He was also a young draft prospect. Maturation and development physically was assumed. Trask is already older and physically mature. He isn't gaining any arm strength.

3. Teddy wasn't a freak athlete, but he was plenty mobile. He is waaaay more athletic than Trask.

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Yet your were in love with Teddy Bridgewater when he came out.  Wasnt athletic, one of the weaker arms to come out, and didn't have the ideal size.

1. I think if I were evaluating Teddy now I would have those qualms too. It's been what 6 years now? I think/hope most of us evaluate differently now than we did more than half a decade ago. Having to put emphasis on a QBs off platform/out of structure traits is a fairly recent thing with the ascension of the Mahomes/Wilson/Kyler/Ljax/Allen prototypes plus all of these hybrid defenses that bring more and more exotic pressures.

2. The hope was that Teddy's arm would get stronger as he put weight on his frame. He was also a young draft prospect. Maturation and development physically was assumed. Trask is already older and physically mature. He isn't gaining any arm strength.

3. Teddy wasn't a freak athlete, but he was plenty mobile. He is waaaay more athletic than Trask.

Trask is 1 year older than Fields and Lawrence.  Trask is  thicker and stronger than he was last year so he definitely has room to grow, not to mention he has improved in pretty much aspect with his 1 full year starting.  Trask has as much room to grow as any player in the draft.  I just don't value mobility on a QB as much as some.  Id rather my QB move around in the pocket like Trask and make the throw than take off and run if that QB is good enough like Trask has shown so far this year.   But there is still a bunch of games to go so ill wait to see if Trask continues to play at the level he has.

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So, I saw a similar question to this raised in the O-zone today.  And I'll go one step further.  

Since we have failed repeatedly to select the correct QB in the first round (Byron Leftwich, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles), what if we select a QB at #2 and then another QB with our second first round pick?   Something like Fields AND Trask, for example?

You leave talent at other positions on the table for other teams to fill their roster. Don't let history force you into being wasteful.

Just because Fred Taylor was such a good top ten RB pick, that means Fournette should have been a future HOFer, by this logic.

Even when the Redacteds took two QB in a draft, they clearly had tiers established - RG3 was a top prospect and got the snaps early, while Cousins was the value pick in round 4 who spent time on the sidelines honing his skills and preparing as a backup until injury ruined RG3's knee. I think the last team to hedge their bets this drastically would have been the Cowboys in 1989, took Aikman with the first pick and Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft just a few months later with their following year's first rounder (turned out to be pick #2.....wooof).

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That draftnetwork article is basically how I feel. Trask has the requisite arm strength to make all of the throws when the play goes exactly as planned. If he has plenty of time to go through his whole motion and step into the throw then he can make every throw. It's when the pocket gets muddy and he can't step into the throw, or when he has to throw on the run, that his lack of arm strength is an issue. And as Minshew can attest, those types of out of structure plays happen a lot in the NFL.

Yet your were in love with Teddy Bridgewater when he came out.  Wasnt athletic, one of the weaker arms to come out, and didn't have the ideal size.

I think it’s time you stop bringing up Teddy.

Your QB evaluations take a significant hit considering you said Tebow would be a HOF QB .... even after seeing him play in the NFL.

And you said Minshew is better than Watson.

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For the guys that likes to mix need and BPA.  What if the new GM has Fields at the top of his board after Lawrence but he also has Jones and Trask very close.  Do you take Fields at 2 since he is just a little higher or do you go with value and take Sewell and grab Jones and Trask with your 1st?

You only take Sewell if he is clearly higher rated than Fields. I think as a scout you would have to give extra weight to a QB who is a top tier prospect than a tackle. So if both are deemed can't miss, Fields would have the higher grade based on position, and should be the pick. If Sewell is graded as a can't miss guy and Fields is just below, I would trust the board and roll with Sewell. Some flaw had to be identified in Fields' game to drop him below the tackle.

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1. I think if I were evaluating Teddy now I would have those qualms too. It's been what 6 years now? I think/hope most of us evaluate differently now than we did more than half a decade ago. Having to put emphasis on a QBs off platform/out of structure traits is a fairly recent thing with the ascension of the Mahomes/Wilson/Kyler/Ljax/Allen prototypes plus all of these hybrid defenses that bring more and more exotic pressures.

2. The hope was that Teddy's arm would get stronger as he put weight on his frame. He was also a young draft prospect. Maturation and development physically was assumed. Trask is already older and physically mature. He isn't gaining any arm strength.

3. Teddy wasn't a freak athlete, but he was plenty mobile. He is waaaay more athletic than Trask.

Trask is 1 year older than Fields and Lawrence.  Trask is  thicker and stronger than he was last year so he definitely has room to grow, not to mention he has improved in pretty much aspect with his 1 full year starting.  Trask has as much room to grow as any player in the draft.  I just don't value mobility on a QB as much as some.  Id rather my QB move around in the pocket like Trask and make the throw than take off and run if that QB is good enough like Trask has shown so far this year.   But there is still a bunch of games to go so ill wait to see if Trask continues to play at the level he has.

1 year is a big difference in physical development at that age. We were comparing Trask and Teddy why did you suddenly bait and switch to Fields and Lawrence? They already have the physicality needed to do all of them they don't need to mature physically. Teddy needed the physical maturity and had reasons to expect that he would, but he never did. Trask doesn't have the arm and his build suggests that he doesn't have the capacity to add it either.

Lastly, who is the last true franchise QB that doesn't have good off script/on the move traits? Maybe Carr and Goff is about the best unless you go back more than a decade, and they're mid level starting QBs at best. Kyler, Lamar, Allen, Burrow, Watson, Mahomes, Herbert, Wentz, Wilson (just going down the QB list in team order not talent order obv). If your QB can't excel both in and out of the pocket his ceiling is very capped in the modern NFL.

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If Caldwell is fired, I have to believe there is a 95% chance that the new general manager/coach will want to draft a quarterback with the Jaguars first pick. This will be the case even if the draft board has Sewell higher rated. They can't afford to wait until the end of round 1 to take whoever is left between Trask, Jones, Wilson or Lance. Unless something dramatically changes, like Fields having more games like last week, he will more than likely be the pick. I even believe there's a better chance of the Jets winning and the Jags getting Lawrence than them taking any q.b. not named Fields with the 2nd pick.

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If Caldwell is fired, I have to believe there is a 95% chance that the new general manager/coach will want to draft a quarterback with the Jaguars first pick. This will be the case even if the draft board has Sewell higher rated. They can't afford to wait until the end of round 1 to take whoever is left between Trask, Jones, Wilson or Lance. Unless something dramatically changes, like Fields having more games like last week, he will more than likely be the pick. I even believe there's a better chance of the Jets winning and the Jags getting Lawrence than them taking any q.b. not named Fields with the 2nd pick.

Mike Clay just released his latest odds and he had the Jets as only a 20% chance to go 0-16, and he had them as a better chance of winning another game than the Jags. Lawrence isn't out of the picture. The first column is the one we care about.

https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1...7474809857

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Unless your name is Nostradamus, you don't know anything about the future.

He could become on their level or he could not. As of right now, he's not.

You dont need to be Nostrdamus to see that, you just need a pair of working eyes.

If that's the case, you'd also prematurely dismiss Troy Aikman, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning with those working eyes.

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You dont need to be Nostrdamus to see that, you just need a pair of working eyes.

If that's the case, you'd also prematurely dismiss Troy Aikman, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning with those working eyes.

Cmon man, these guys were great throwing the football in college. Something Jackson has never been good at, teams are forcing him to beat them with his arm and Bal has lost 3 of the last 4. 1st overall picks HOF. the all time leading passer. Crazy comparisons

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If that's the case, you'd also prematurely dismiss Troy Aikman, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning with those working eyes.

Cmon man, these guys were great throwing the football in college. Something Jackson has never been good at, teams are forcing him to beat them with his arm and Bal has lost 3 of the last 4.  1st overall picks HOF.  the all time leading passer.  Crazy comparisons

So Jamarcus Russell should have panned out too then.

Two things here: 1) These guys had rough starts to their NFL careers and look how they panned out - so to prematurely jump one way or another is just flat out asinine. Kinda like how other posters keep calling you out for your Tebow predictions.

2) The college stats for those QBs and Lamar Jackson (strictly with regards to the passing metrics) are highly comparable - and this not even accounting for the crazy rushing dynamic he racked up.

I'm not here defending Jackson and saying he's a great passer, just go back to my previous post because I addressed that. He's not at this point.

But to jump so fast on something - which NOBODY knows at this point will pan out is just ignorant. And that's what I'm pointing out.

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Cmon man, these guys were great throwing the football in college. Something Jackson has never been good at, teams are forcing him to beat them with his arm and Bal has lost 3 of the last 4.  1st overall picks HOF.  the all time leading passer.  Crazy comparisons

So Jamarcus Russell should have panned out too then.

Two things here: 1) These guys had rough starts to their NFL careers and look how they panned out - so to prematurely jump one way or another is just flat out asinine. Kinda like how other posters keep calling you out for your Tebow predictions.

2) The college stats for those QBs and Lamar Jackson (strictly with regards to the passing metrics) are highly comparable - and this not even accounting for the crazy rushing dynamic he racked up.

I'm not here defending Jackson and saying he's a great passer, just go back to my previous post because I addressed that. He's not at this point.

But to jump so fast on something - which NOBODY knows at this point will pan out is just ignorant. And that's what I'm pointing out.

Jamarcus Russell just had a great arm and that was about it.  They hate bringing up Tevow because they know deep down im right.  If Tebow came out in todays game and they over looked his christian believes he would be a perennial All Pro. He still has more playoff wins than Jackson, he got blackballed by the league because of his believes, he still has a winning record as well. Like you say with Jackosn, I guess you could say any QB in the league can be great

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So Jamarcus Russell should have panned out too then.

Two things here: 1) These guys had rough starts to their NFL careers and look how they panned out - so to prematurely jump one way or another is just flat out asinine. Kinda like how other posters keep calling you out for your Tebow predictions.

2) The college stats for those QBs and Lamar Jackson (strictly with regards to the passing metrics) are highly comparable - and this not even accounting for the crazy rushing dynamic he racked up.

I'm not here defending Jackson and saying he's a great passer, just go back to my previous post because I addressed that. He's not at this point.

But to jump so fast on something - which NOBODY knows at this point will pan out is just ignorant. And that's what I'm pointing out.

Jamarcus Russell just had a great arm and that was about it.  They hate bringing up Tevow because they know deep down im right.  If Tebow came out in todays game and they over looked his christian believes he would be a perennial All Pro. He still has more playoff wins than Jackson, he got blackballed by the league because of his believes, he still has a winning record as well. Like you say with Jackosn, I guess you could say any QB in the league can be great

Can you find one other person on this board who thinks you are right about Tebow?

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Jamarcus Russell just had a great arm and that was about it.  They hate bringing up Tevow because they know deep down im right.  If Tebow came out in todays game and they over looked his christian believes he would be a perennial All Pro. He still has more playoff wins than Jackson, he got blackballed by the league because of his believes, he still has a winning record as well. Like you say with Jackosn, I guess you could say any QB in the league can be great

Can you find one other person on this board who thinks you are right about Tebow?

His NFL record and accomplishments speak for themselves

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So Jamarcus Russell should have panned out too then.

Two things here: 1) These guys had rough starts to their NFL careers and look how they panned out - so to prematurely jump one way or another is just flat out asinine. Kinda like how other posters keep calling you out for your Tebow predictions.

2) The college stats for those QBs and Lamar Jackson (strictly with regards to the passing metrics) are highly comparable - and this not even accounting for the crazy rushing dynamic he racked up.

I'm not here defending Jackson and saying he's a great passer, just go back to my previous post because I addressed that. He's not at this point.

But to jump so fast on something - which NOBODY knows at this point will pan out is just ignorant. And that's what I'm pointing out.

Jamarcus Russell just had a great arm and that was about it.  They hate bringing up Tevow because they know deep down im right.  If Tebow came out in todays game and they over looked his christian believes he would be a perennial All Pro. He still has more playoff wins than Jackson, he got blackballed by the league because of his believes, he still has a winning record as well. Like you say with Jackosn, I guess you could say any QB in the league can be great

Credibility. Lost.

The NFL (which continues to have players play with assault charges) had it out for Tebow because he was Christian. Don’t mention the fact that Wentz is Christian and has been outspoken as well.

You can stop talking about who people on the board liked that turned into busts now.

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