Then you wouldn't trade him at all.

He had some good moments for us and exceeded expectations, but he isn't a starting caliber QB, much less one that commands a 2 or two 3rds in trade.

Teams know we'll take a QB in the draft, and they are pretty certain it'll be Trevor Lawrence.

Teams know this is a pretty strong draft at the top at QB.  There will likely be 5 QBs taken in the first round:

Lawrence
Fields
Lance
Wilson
Jones

So if a team is in dire need of a starter, they could go for one of these guys.

But if a team is out of range for these guys, who does Minshew start over?  Let's assume, for argument's sake, that all of the first round signal callers are gone by Washington at 19.

20.  Chicago-Trubisky?  I can see Trubisky not being a favorite of the Bears.  But if they would not spend a 3 and conditional 2 for Wentz, why would they spend that much or more for Minshew?  I'm not totally sure he beats Trubisky out, even if they met your trade terms.

21.  Indy-They just spent the 3 and conditional 2 for Wentz.  They won't spend the 2 or two 3s for Minshew in the same offseason.  But Minshew doesn't beat out Wentz unless Wentz is finished.

22.  Tacks-Doubtful we would trade inside the division.  Doubtful Tennessee would trade for him at your price, especially when they have Tannehill, who has played very well forthe tacks the past two years.

23.  N.Y. Jets-by this stage in the draft, they likely would have spent their pick on a QB if they were interested in upgrading the position, whether it is trading for Watson or taking any of the other rookies on the board.  If they weren't interested in any of those guys, then they are likely committed to Darnold and putting help around him.

24.  Pittsburgh-they have Big Ben.  If they haven't cut him, no way Minshew beats him out.  While their backups are not so hot, there is no way a team as old and cap strapped as the Steelers would meet your trade demands for Minshew.

26.  Cleveland-they already have Baker Mayfield and just reached the playoff with him.  No way they make that deal, and no way Minshew beats him out.

27.  Baltimore-Lamar Jackson is their QB.  Though I have my issues with him, no way Minshew beats him out, thus no reason for them to spend the draft capital you demand on Minshew.

28.  New Orleans-lost a legend to retirement, but have two QBs they seem to regard highly in Hill and Winston.  Unsure if Minshew beats either of them out.

29.  Green Bay-they have Aaron freaking Rodgers and waiting in the wings behind them is Jordan Love, who they spent a 1 on last year.  They don't make that deal.

30.  Buffahole-they have Josh Allen.  Minshew does not beat him out.

31.  Kansas City-They have Mahomes.  Minshew does not beat him out.  Behind him is Chad henne.  Maybe Minshew beats him out, but the Chiefs, who are contending for a SB, don't meet your price to find out.

32.  Tampa-Tom Brady-see above.

Just so you know, the bears gave us a 4th for foles, and likely didnt want wentz because hes on a mega deal and is also not exactly good. I legitimatey think minshew and wentz are around the same caiber.. id argue minshew did better with less

LOL...Minshew is on par with Wentz.  I guess the Colts don't share that opinion since they could have had Minshew for WAY less.

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Then you wouldn't trade him at all.

He had some good moments for us and exceeded expectations, but he isn't a starting caliber QB, much less one that commands a 2 or two 3rds in trade.

Teams know we'll take a QB in the draft, and they are pretty certain it'll be Trevor Lawrence.

Teams know this is a pretty strong draft at the top at QB.  There will likely be 5 QBs taken in the first round:

Lawrence
Fields
Lance
Wilson
Jones

So if a team is in dire need of a starter, they could go for one of these guys.

But if a team is out of range for these guys, who does Minshew start over?  Let's assume, for argument's sake, that all of the first round signal callers are gone by Washington at 19.

20.  Chicago-Trubisky?  I can see Trubisky not being a favorite of the Bears.  But if they would not spend a 3 and conditional 2 for Wentz, why would they spend that much or more for Minshew?  I'm not totally sure he beats Trubisky out, even if they met your trade terms.

21.  Indy-They just spent the 3 and conditional 2 for Wentz.  They won't spend the 2 or two 3s for Minshew in the same offseason.  But Minshew doesn't beat out Wentz unless Wentz is finished.

22.  Tacks-Doubtful we would trade inside the division.  Doubtful Tennessee would trade for him at your price, especially when they have Tannehill, who has played very well forthe tacks the past two years.

23.  N.Y. Jets-by this stage in the draft, they likely would have spent their pick on a QB if they were interested in upgrading the position, whether it is trading for Watson or taking any of the other rookies on the board.  If they weren't interested in any of those guys, then they are likely committed to Darnold and putting help around him.

24.  Pittsburgh-they have Big Ben.  If they haven't cut him, no way Minshew beats him out.  While their backups are not so hot, there is no way a team as old and cap strapped as the Steelers would meet your trade demands for Minshew.

26.  Cleveland-they already have Baker Mayfield and just reached the playoff with him.  No way they make that deal, and no way Minshew beats him out.

27.  Baltimore-Lamar Jackson is their QB.  Though I have my issues with him, no way Minshew beats him out, thus no reason for them to spend the draft capital you demand on Minshew.

28.  New Orleans-lost a legend to retirement, but have two QBs they seem to regard highly in Hill and Winston.  Unsure if Minshew beats either of them out.

29.  Green Bay-they have Aaron freaking Rodgers and waiting in the wings behind them is Jordan Love, who they spent a 1 on last year.  They don't make that deal.

30.  Buffahole-they have Josh Allen.  Minshew does not beat him out.

31.  Kansas City-They have Mahomes.  Minshew does not beat him out.  Behind him is Chad henne.  Maybe Minshew beats him out, but the Chiefs, who are contending for a SB, don't meet your price to find out.

32.  Tampa-Tom Brady-see above.

Just so you know, the bears gave us a 4th for foles, and likely didnt want wentz because hes on a mega deal and is also not exactly good. I legitimatey think minshew and wentz are around the same caiber.. id argue minshew did better with less

1.  Foles started at QB during a successful Super Bowl run.  Minshew has not.

2.  One team's bad trade does not set the precedent for the rest of the league to execute a bad trade.

3.  Had Wentz not been injured, he would have been a league MVP candidate.  Minshew has never been close.

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Then you wouldn't trade him at all.

He had some good moments for us and exceeded expectations, but he isn't a starting caliber QB, much less one that commands a 2 or two 3rds in trade.

Teams know we'll take a QB in the draft, and they are pretty certain it'll be Trevor Lawrence.

Teams know this is a pretty strong draft at the top at QB.  There will likely be 5 QBs taken in the first round:

Lawrence
Fields
Lance
Wilson
Jones

So if a team is in dire need of a starter, they could go for one of these guys.

But if a team is out of range for these guys, who does Minshew start over?  Let's assume, for argument's sake, that all of the first round signal callers are gone by Washington at 19.

20.  Chicago-Trubisky?  I can see Trubisky not being a favorite of the Bears.  But if they would not spend a 3 and conditional 2 for Wentz, why would they spend that much or more for Minshew?  I'm not totally sure he beats Trubisky out, even if they met your trade terms.

21.  Indy-They just spent the 3 and conditional 2 for Wentz.  They won't spend the 2 or two 3s for Minshew in the same offseason.  But Minshew doesn't beat out Wentz unless Wentz is finished.

22.  Tacks-Doubtful we would trade inside the division.  Doubtful Tennessee would trade for him at your price, especially when they have Tannehill, who has played very well forthe tacks the past two years.

23.  N.Y. Jets-by this stage in the draft, they likely would have spent their pick on a QB if they were interested in upgrading the position, whether it is trading for Watson or taking any of the other rookies on the board.  If they weren't interested in any of those guys, then they are likely committed to Darnold and putting help around him.

24.  Pittsburgh-they have Big Ben.  If they haven't cut him, no way Minshew beats him out.  While their backups are not so hot, there is no way a team as old and cap strapped as the Steelers would meet your trade demands for Minshew.

26.  Cleveland-they already have Baker Mayfield and just reached the playoff with him.  No way they make that deal, and no way Minshew beats him out.

27.  Baltimore-Lamar Jackson is their QB.  Though I have my issues with him, no way Minshew beats him out, thus no reason for them to spend the draft capital you demand on Minshew.

28.  New Orleans-lost a legend to retirement, but have two QBs they seem to regard highly in Hill and Winston.  Unsure if Minshew beats either of them out.

29.  Green Bay-they have Aaron freaking Rodgers and waiting in the wings behind them is Jordan Love, who they spent a 1 on last year.  They don't make that deal.

30.  Buffahole-they have Josh Allen.  Minshew does not beat him out.

31.  Kansas City-They have Mahomes.  Minshew does not beat him out.  Behind him is Chad henne.  Maybe Minshew beats him out, but the Chiefs, who are contending for a SB, don't meet your price to find out.

32.  Tampa-Tom Brady-see above.

Just so you know, the bears gave us a 4th for foles, and likely didnt want wentz because hes on a mega deal and is also not exactly good. I legitimatey think minshew and wentz are around the same caiber.. id argue minshew did better with less

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The whole point of the back QB position/job this year is to help accelerate T-Law's development, because there is no way he doesn't enter camp as the defacto starting QB.

That means you want a back up QB who ideally:
1. Is familiar with Bevell and/or the style of offense Jags want to build around T-Law.
2. Can help T-Law add to his good professionalism traits/habits and being a leader in the NFL vs as a college QB.
3. Help point out things T-Law may not be seeing in the film room or out on the field on game day.

Minshew could probably help with #2, but I don't see him helping with #1. Also, Minshew regressed last year with his field vision and he is still has limited experience with coverages to help with #3 all that much. The only reason to keeping him may be a good option is because he is cheap. If T-Law gets injured, it doesn't really matter if the Jags win a bunch a games with the back up QB in 2021.

Also, we are not going to get a ton for Minshew. The league has already seen what he can do, and most people know he is never going to be a top 10 guy. He is essentially an AAAA QB. Also in 2021, there will be a lot of proven and "expected to be proven" QB's. Throughout the league there will be at least 7-8 rookie/sophomore QB's probably starting Game 1; many more than were in the league 2-3 years ago. The number of teams "scrambling" for anything at QB are much fewer.

Maybe you can get a contender to bite on trading for him, but no one is trading 2 picks, and no one is giving up more than a 4th round pick for him. And even that level of an offer probably won't happen until during training camp or the season, in which case trading Minshew isn't that much benefit anymore.

This is where I’m at with it. But I think I’m just looking at this a different way. I agree, the job of a back up this year is more about development. I’d want a Ryan Fitzpatrick or Alex Smith to be the direct number 2. But I’d also think having a number 3 on a cheap rookie deal is important for the sake of competition. We’re just going to bring in a QB via the draft or a third stringer on a 2 year, 6 million dollar deal? While cheap, way more than Minshew.

If the backup's job is development and you want Fitzpatrick or Smith to fill that role, for what and with whom will Minshew be "competing"

Nice guy, but he's expendable and if we get a halfway decent offer, he's gone.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

I've always been a believer in keeping 3 quarterbacks on the roster.  It's the most important position on the team and it's not a position where you can just plug and play a guy off the street.  They need to know the playbook.  I would keep Minshew as our third backup.  He's on a sixth round rookie contract which makes him incredibly inexpensive.  You won't find someone with more experience for the price.  While I'm sure there will be changes, he also has familiarity with many of the Jaguars offensive players.  I don't see much benefit in having a developmental third string quarterback on the roster given that we will have Trevor Lawrence.  If a team offered a fourth rounder for him, I would take it.  I would have to think about a fifth rounder.  If it's only a late pick, we might as well keep him.   

However, Minshew isn't very good.  I would find someone better for our top backup.  I wouldn't sign Fitz.  Last year, he had an $8 million salary and I'm guessing he'll get something similar this year.  That money could be better spent on a starting position.  It's also likely a moot point as someone like Fitz wouldn't want to come here with Trevor Lawrence.  He'll go somewhere where either he can start or at least start initially until a rookie takes over.  I would target a backup quarterback in the $3-$4 million range.  I would target a veteran, but I think this "mentoring" thing is way over blown.  If he does that, fine, but I don't over pay for it.  We have a quarterbacks coach ("passing game coordinator") whose job is to coach Trevor Lawrence.  If that really isn't enough coaching, they can always hire an assistant quarterbacks coach (assistant passing game coordinator?).  Coaches don't count against the salary cap.

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He went .500 and a 3.5/1 TD/INT ratio his rookie year. He’s not a good QB but I think y’all may be undervaluing the position and the potential someone would see in him.

The problem is that in his third game in his second season, the opposing defensive coordinator figured out that Minshew's weakness was the soft zone.  After its success against Minshew, other defensive coordinators used the same strategy.  Minshew never won again.

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Please stop with this mentoring thing. Pro Football players sign contracts that benefit themselves. Professional football players don’t care about mentoring. That’s all fan speak and hoopla.

Hey let’s sign Tony Boselli as our backup LT so he can mentor Cam Robinson. And let’s also sign Jimmy Smith so he can mentor our receivers.

Who cares if they can play. Let’s just sign a bunch of mentors this offseason!

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Please stop with this mentoring thing. Pro Football players sign contracts that benefit themselves. Professional football players don’t care about mentoring. That’s all fan speak and hoopla.

Hey let’s sign Tony Boselli as our backup LT so he can mentor Cam Robinson. And let’s also sign Jimmy Smith so he can mentor our receivers.

Who cares if they can play. Let’s just sign a bunch of mentors this offseason!

TBF, you could sign them as coaches without no salary cap restrictions.

Also, of course players sign QB's that benefit themselves.

You don't think there are a few QB's around the league who would love to stay in the game, make some money, and maybe tag along for ring in a few years? No QB is signing with Jaguars is at all expecting to be the starter this year, not all of them are looking for that.

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I wouldn’t trade Minshew. I see the Jaguars being a very good team in the next couple seasons. Minshew has won some ball games for us and would make a long term QB2. If Lawrence goes down with an injury during a playoff run, then Minshew can step in and keep the train moving.

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A couple of points:

I remember back when this dude named Ryan Tannehill couldn't find a home, and Tennessee got him dirt cheap. I can see Minshew having a comparable skillset.

He's a valuable commodity as a backup or trade bait, and I see him going to a few places:

New England, San Francisco, and Houston should they trade Watson. He could also fit in at Carolina. And no, he wouldn't beat out Big Ben in Pittsburgh, but I could see him backing him up and waiting in the wings, because he's better than anyone else there. It really is all about the deal - if we get a sweet one, take it. If not, well...

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A couple of points:

I remember back when this dude named Ryan Tannehill couldn't find a home, and Tennessee got him dirt cheap.  I can see Minshew having a comparable skillset.

He's a valuable commodity as a backup or trade bait, and I see him going to a few places:

New England, San Francisco, and Houston should they trade Watson.  He could also fit in at Carolina.  And no, he wouldn't beat out Big Ben in Pittsburgh, but I could see him backing him up and waiting in the wings, because he's better than anyone else there.  It really is all about the deal - if we get a sweet one, take it.  If not, well...

I agree with this. He is a play maker and was not bad when the line protection was ok. I have never seen a quarterback be good while always running for his life and having people in his face. The other teams D-back had to cover our guys for a very short period of time making them look good and the receivers bad. (Any QB we played as well) At 1-15 this team had zero motivation to week in week out exceed expectations. I don't care how "professional" a person is, especially with half the fans pulling for them to lose out. Put everything in context or yourself in their position for a minute.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I've always been a believer in keeping 3 quarterbacks on the roster.  It's the most important position on the team and it's not a position where you can just plug and play a guy off the street.  They need to know the playbook.  I would keep Minshew as our third backup.  He's on a sixth round rookie contract which makes him incredibly inexpensive.  You won't find someone with more experience for the price.  While I'm sure there will be changes, he also has familiarity with many of the Jaguars offensive players.  I don't see much benefit in having a developmental third string quarterback on the roster given that we will have Trevor Lawrence.  If a team offered a fourth rounder for him, I would take it.  I would have to think about a fifth rounder.  If it's only a late pick, we might as well keep him.   

However, Minshew isn't very good.  I would find someone better for our top backup.  I wouldn't sign Fitz.  Last year, he had an $8 million salary and I'm guessing he'll get something similar this year.  That money could be better spent on a starting position.  It's also likely a moot point as someone like Fitz wouldn't want to come here with Trevor Lawrence.  He'll go somewhere where either he can start or at least start initially until a rookie takes over.  I would target a backup quarterback in the $3-$4 million range.  I would target a veteran, but I think this "mentoring" thing is way over blown.  If he does that, fine, but I don't over pay for it.  We have a quarterbacks coach ("passing game coordinator") whose job is to coach Trevor Lawrence.  If that really isn't enough coaching, they can always hire an assistant quarterbacks coach (assistant passing game coordinator?).  Coaches don't count against the salary cap.

I used to agree with this, but lets be honest if the starter goes down- the season is done.  Rare cases like Brady and Foles can happen, but they were the immediate backups. Having 3 IMO is a waste of space.

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I've always been a believer in keeping 3 quarterbacks on the roster.  It's the most important position on the team and it's not a position where you can just plug and play a guy off the street.  They need to know the playbook.  I would keep Minshew as our third backup.  He's on a sixth round rookie contract which makes him incredibly inexpensive.  You won't find someone with more experience for the price.  While I'm sure there will be changes, he also has familiarity with many of the Jaguars offensive players.  I don't see much benefit in having a developmental third string quarterback on the roster given that we will have Trevor Lawrence.  If a team offered a fourth rounder for him, I would take it.  I would have to think about a fifth rounder.  If it's only a late pick, we might as well keep him.   

However, Minshew isn't very good.  I would find someone better for our top backup.  I wouldn't sign Fitz.  Last year, he had an $8 million salary and I'm guessing he'll get something similar this year.  That money could be better spent on a starting position.  It's also likely a moot point as someone like Fitz wouldn't want to come here with Trevor Lawrence.  He'll go somewhere where either he can start or at least start initially until a rookie takes over.  I would target a backup quarterback in the $3-$4 million range.  I would target a veteran, but I think this "mentoring" thing is way over blown.  If he does that, fine, but I don't over pay for it.  We have a quarterbacks coach ("passing game coordinator") whose job is to coach Trevor Lawrence.  If that really isn't enough coaching, they can always hire an assistant quarterbacks coach (assistant passing game coordinator?).  Coaches don't count against the salary cap.

I used to agree with this, but lets be honest if the starter goes down- the season is done.  Rare cases like Brady and Foles can happen, but they were the immediate backups. Having 3 IMO is a waste of space.

I don't think it is so cut and dry that "the season is done" if the starting quarterback has an injury.  What if it is for one game?  What if it happens during the fourth quarter of one game while the team has a lead?  What if it's multiple games but the defense plays well during that stretch or the running game comes up big?  Plenty of backup quarterbacks have won games where an inferior backup quarterback may have lost it.  Teams sometimes make or miss the playoffs because of one game.  I like the odds of Minshew as a third string quarterback positively impacting the course of a game much more than some third string safety or whatever that usually occupies the 53rd roster spot.

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The plot thickens.

NFL Network reporting the Jaguars have received calls from teams looking to possible trade for Minshew.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Let the Minshew mystique grow. Let him flash in camp and preseason.

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Nothing less than a 3rd or high 4th

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Nothing less than a 3rd or high 4th

Though I wouldn't expect to get that for him, a 3rd round pick would be sweet.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Take whatever we can get for him and sign Alex Smith.

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Trade him. The magic is gone. Time to look toward the future.

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Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!

Nothing less than a 3rd or high 4th

Though I wouldn't expect to get that for him, a 3rd round pick would be sweet.

I dont expect a 3rd either but I wouldnt take anything less than a 4th unless they sign Alex Smith

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