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(This post was last modified: 03-11-2021, 10:53 AM by Cleatwood.)

Chiefs just released Eric Fisher. Wow.

And then Schwartz. Holy moly.
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(This post was last modified: 03-11-2021, 11:05 AM by TheO-LineMatters.)

(03-11-2021, 10:52 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Chiefs just released Eric Fisher. Wow.

And then Schwartz. Holy moly.

This FA LT class is getting better and better. Williams, Reiff and Fisher would all be HUGE upgrades over Robinson. Pull that tag now! I'd love Schwartz at RT.

I have no idea what the Chiefs are thinking. Just look how Mahomes was running for his life after Fisher got hurt.
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(This post was last modified: 03-11-2021, 11:12 AM by Cleatwood.)

(03-11-2021, 11:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 10:52 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Chiefs just released Eric Fisher. Wow.

And then Schwartz. Holy moly.

This FA LT class is getting better and better. Williams, Reiff and Fisher would all be HUGE upgrades over Robinson. Pull that tag now! I'd love Schwartz at RT.

I have no idea what the Chiefs are thinking. Just look how Mahomes was running for his life after Fisher got hurt.
Everyone (except the Jags) is cash strapped because the cap is low.

But in regards to the Chiefs, I agree. Mahomes was running for his life in the SB without those guys but I’m sure Andy has a plan.

Jags about to clean up in FA though.
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(03-11-2021, 11:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 10:52 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Chiefs just released Eric Fisher. Wow.

And then Schwartz. Holy moly.

This FA LT class is getting better and better. Williams, Reiff and Fisher would all be HUGE upgrades over Robinson. Pull that tag now! I'd love Schwartz at RT.

I have no idea what the Chiefs are thinking. Just look how Mahomes was running for his life after Fisher got hurt.

Come on now.  Fisher suffered a torn Achilles just a couple of months ago.  No way in hell he is an upgrade at this point.  An Achilles injury is not an easy injury to return from.  ESPECIALLY for an offensive lineman.
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(03-11-2021, 11:25 AM)RicoTx Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 11:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: This FA LT class is getting better and better. Williams, Reiff and Fisher would all be HUGE upgrades over Robinson. Pull that tag now! I'd love Schwartz at RT.

I have no idea what the Chiefs are thinking. Just look how Mahomes was running for his life after Fisher got hurt.

Come on now.  Fisher suffered a torn Achilles just a couple of months ago.  No way in hell he is an upgrade at this point.  An Achilles injury is not an easy injury to return from.  ESPECIALLY for an offensive lineman.

Yeah Fisher's torn achilles likely means he's never the same and his recovery probably lasts into the season.
Schwartz has been dealing with a back injury for awhile and just had surgery... but if he clears medical checks, I'd be okay with bringing in Schwartz.
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(This post was last modified: 03-11-2021, 11:29 AM by Bullseye.)

(03-11-2021, 11:25 AM)RicoTx Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 11:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: This FA LT class is getting better and better. Williams, Reiff and Fisher would all be HUGE upgrades over Robinson. Pull that tag now! I'd love Schwartz at RT.

I have no idea what the Chiefs are thinking. Just look how Mahomes was running for his life after Fisher got hurt.

Come on now.  Fisher suffered a torn Achilles just a couple of months ago.  No way in hell he is an upgrade at this point.  An Achilles injury is not an easy injury to return from.  ESPECIALLY for an offensive lineman.

Exactly.

I'd feel better about Fisher if he tore his ACL.

But either way, he injured his achilles late in the 4th quarter of the AFC championship.  I'm no doctor, but I don't think he would be ready to start the season.

Still, Schwartz could upgrade the pass blocking at RTif he's healthy.  I know he was hurt at some point last year and missed the playoffs.
 

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(03-11-2021, 11:29 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 11:25 AM)RicoTx Wrote: Come on now.  Fisher suffered a torn Achilles just a couple of months ago.  No way in hell he is an upgrade at this point.  An Achilles injury is not an easy injury to return from.  ESPECIALLY for an offensive lineman.

Exactly.

I'd feel better about Fisher if he tore his ACL.

But either way, he injured his achilles late in the 4th quarter of the AFC championship.  I'm no doctor, but I don't think he would be ready to start the season.

Still, Schwartz could upgrade the pass blocking at RTif he's healthy.  I know he was hurt at some point last year and missed the playoffs.

As Kane related above, an Achilles injury for an offensive lineman is potentially a career-ender.  

It's interesting how in today's medical world that an ACL is 'not that bad'.
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(This post was last modified: 03-11-2021, 11:38 AM by Bullseye.)

(03-11-2021, 11:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 10:52 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Chiefs just released Eric Fisher. Wow.

And then Schwartz. Holy moly.



I have no idea what the Chiefs are thinking. Just look how Mahomes was running for his life after Fisher got hurt.

I'm sure a huge part of these releases have to do with injury and salary.

But it begs the question.

Andy Reid knows offensive linemen.  If he's confident enough in this off season's class of Ts (either in free agency or the draft) to employ this strategy, I'm wondering why Meyer and Baalke don't have the same confidence.  I understand reasonable people can reasonably disagree, though Meyer and Baalke are on my team, I would defer to Reid's take on the OT class.

(03-11-2021, 11:32 AM)RicoTx Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 11:29 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Exactly.

I'd feel better about Fisher if he tore his ACL.

But either way, he injured his achilles late in the 4th quarter of the AFC championship.  I'm no doctor, but I don't think he would be ready to start the season.

Still, Schwartz could upgrade the pass blocking at RTif he's healthy.  I know he was hurt at some point last year and missed the playoffs.

As Kane related above, an Achilles injury for an offensive lineman is potentially a career-ender.  

It's interesting how in today's medical world that an ACL is 'not that bad'.
If you recall, Reggie Hayward's career was shot after he tore his achilles.

It's funny how that's changed over the years.

Good but funny.

People have seen so many players come back successfully from ACL surgery, the fear the average fan has about the ACL has diminished quite a bit-no matter how naive that diminished fear might be.
 

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(03-11-2021, 11:25 AM)RicoTx Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 11:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: This FA LT class is getting better and better. Williams, Reiff and Fisher would all be HUGE upgrades over Robinson. Pull that tag now! I'd love Schwartz at RT.

I have no idea what the Chiefs are thinking. Just look how Mahomes was running for his life after Fisher got hurt.

Come on now.  Fisher suffered a torn Achilles just a couple of months ago.  No way in hell he is an upgrade at this point.  An Achilles injury is not an easy injury to return from.  ESPECIALLY for an offensive lineman.

I'd take a hobbled Eric Fisher over either one of our OT's, 7 days a week. Fisher coming back at 75% is twice as good as either of our OT's.
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(03-11-2021, 11:56 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 11:25 AM)RicoTx Wrote: Come on now.  Fisher suffered a torn Achilles just a couple of months ago.  No way in hell he is an upgrade at this point.  An Achilles injury is not an easy injury to return from.  ESPECIALLY for an offensive lineman.

I'd take a hobbled Eric Fisher over either one of our OT's, 7 days a week. Fisher coming back at 75% is twice as good as either of our OT's.

That shows shows how ridiculous your ranting is.
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(03-11-2021, 11:34 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 11:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I have no idea what the Chiefs are thinking. Just look how Mahomes was running for his life after Fisher got hurt.

I'm sure a huge part of these releases have to do with injury and salary.

But it begs the question.

Andy Reid knows offensive linemen.  If he's confident enough in this off season's class of Ts (either in free agency or the draft) to employ this strategy, I'm wondering why Meyer and Baalke don't have the same confidence.  I understand reasonable people can reasonably disagree, though Meyer and Baalke are on my team, I would defer to Reid's take on the OT class.

That's simple. Because Andy Reid is a HOF coach and Brett Veach is one of the top executives in the NFL and they know that this is a very good OT class. Meyer has never coached a down in the NFL and is relying on the word of the worst O-Line coach in the NFL.
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(03-11-2021, 12:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 11:34 AM)Bullseye Wrote: I'm sure a huge part of these releases have to do with injury and salary.

But it begs the question.

Andy Reid knows offensive linemen.  If he's confident enough in this off season's class of Ts (either in free agency or the draft) to employ this strategy, I'm wondering why Meyer and Baalke don't have the same confidence.  I understand reasonable people can reasonably disagree, though Meyer and Baalke are on my team, I would defer to Reid's take on the OT class.

That's simple. Because Andy Reid is a HOF coach and Brett Veach is one of the top executives in the NFL and they know that this is a very good OT class. Meyer has never coached a down in the NFL and is relying on the word of the worst O-Line coach in the NFL.
My man. 

You have no clue how Meyer is going to go in FA and the draft. He could just be blowing smoke about the OLine group. Maybe he moves Robinson to RT and they sign Trent? Maybe they draft two tackles this year. Who knows?

This tackle group is really deep and having Robinson won’t deter them from drafting one if they’re available. Vera-Tucker can play tackle and guard. Maybe the draft him.
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(03-11-2021, 12:03 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 12:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: That's simple. Because Andy Reid is a HOF coach and Brett Veach is one of the top executives in the NFL and they know that this is a very good OT class. Meyer has never coached a down in the NFL and is relying on the word of the worst O-Line coach in the NFL.
My man. 

You have no clue how Meyer is going to go in FA and the draft. He could just be blowing smoke about the OLine group. Maybe he moves Robinson to RT and they sign Trent? Maybe they draft two tackles this year. Who knows?

This tackle group is really deep and having Robinson won’t deter them from drafting one if they’re available. Vera-Tucker can play tackle and guard. Maybe the draft him.

Of course, these moves could be the result of an unexpectedly low salary cap due to an unforeseen pandemic and severe injury to their two starting tackles, instead of being pre planned due to innate confidence in the T class.
 

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https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/...y-healthy/

Mitchell Schwartz had back surgery.

Backs can be problematic (see Charles Haley and Michael Cheever), but he expected to be healthy in 2021.
 

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(03-11-2021, 12:20 PM)Bullseye Wrote: https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/...y-healthy/

Mitchell Schwartz had back surgery.

Backs can be problematic (see Charles Haley and Michael Cheever), but he expected to be healthy in 2021.
Heard he may be retiring.
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(03-11-2021, 12:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 12:20 PM)Bullseye Wrote: https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/...y-healthy/

Mitchell Schwartz had back surgery.

Backs can be problematic (see Charles Haley and Michael Cheever), but he expected to be healthy in 2021.
Heard he may be retiring.

If true, that would help explain his release.
 

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(03-11-2021, 12:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 11:34 AM)Bullseye Wrote: I'm sure a huge part of these releases have to do with injury and salary.

But it begs the question.

Andy Reid knows offensive linemen.  If he's confident enough in this off season's class of Ts (either in free agency or the draft) to employ this strategy, I'm wondering why Meyer and Baalke don't have the same confidence.  I understand reasonable people can reasonably disagree, though Meyer and Baalke are on my team, I would defer to Reid's take on the OT class.

That's simple. Because Andy Reid is a HOF coach and Brett Veach is one of the top executives in the NFL and they know that this is a very good OT class. Meyer has never coached a down in the NFL and is relying on the word of the worst O-Line coach in the NFL.

So tell me about all 32 NFL offensive line coaches since you purport him to be 'the worst in the NFL'.  Your beloved PFF has the Jaguars offensive line ranked at 22.  Then you rant on and on about Taylor and Robinson being awful.  So if they are that bad, and the line is ranked at 22, that would seem to lend even less support to your 'worst offensive line coach in the NFL' claim if he has them at 22 with these awful tackles.
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(This post was last modified: 03-11-2021, 12:37 PM by TheO-LineMatters.)

(03-11-2021, 12:03 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 12:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: That's simple. Because Andy Reid is a HOF coach and Brett Veach is one of the top executives in the NFL and they know that this is a very good OT class. Meyer has never coached a down in the NFL and is relying on the word of the worst O-Line coach in the NFL.
My man. 

You have no clue how Meyer is going to go in FA and the draft. He could just be blowing smoke about the OLine group. Maybe he moves Robinson to RT and they sign Trent? Maybe they draft two tackles this year. Who knows?

This tackle group is really deep and having Robinson won’t deter them from drafting one if they’re available. Vera-Tucker can play tackle and guard. Maybe the draft him.

And I sincerely hope that happens, but I am HIGHLY doubtful of that. It started out bad when Meyer retained George Warhop and now he is basically saying he is deferring to Warhop's "expertise" when dealing with the matter, so can you blame me for being skeptical?

(03-11-2021, 12:22 PM)Bullseye Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 12:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: Heard he may be retiring.

If true, that would help explain his release.

Agreed, but to lose both starting OT's at the same time? Especially when both were above average/very good? That's rough!
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(03-11-2021, 12:22 PM)RicoTx Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 12:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: That's simple. Because Andy Reid is a HOF coach and Brett Veach is one of the top executives in the NFL and they know that this is a very good OT class. Meyer has never coached a down in the NFL and is relying on the word of the worst O-Line coach in the NFL.

So tell me about all 32 NFL offensive line coaches since you purport him to be 'the worst in the NFL'.  Your beloved PFF has the Jaguars offensive line ranked at 22.  Then you rant on and on about Taylor and Robinson being awful.  So if they are that bad, and the line is ranked at 22, that would seem to lend even less support to your 'worst offensive line coach in the NFL' claim if he has them at 22 with these awful tackles.

No. He can easily still be the worse O-Line coach. As I have said on many occasions, our interior O-Line is fine as is. Warhop is saved by the fact that we have Norwell and Linder. Cann is serviceable as well. Norwell and Linder were established before he arrived. That is why we are at 22 instead of 32. He's had a chance to develop both young OT's and he's failed, just like he failed to develop players in Cleveland and Tampa Bay. Just look at his track record.
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A good pick up for the Texans

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