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Jags and Free Agency


(03-16-2021, 01:01 PM)D6 Wrote:
(03-16-2021, 12:37 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Here is my issue. How can we build depth when we don't even have clear cut starters at some of these positions? I understand about building teams via the draft. That is definitely how it should be done, but always believed that you plug holes in free agency with positions that may have weaker classes in the draft. So far, that isn't even a reality in this case. We're just signing low end competition and backups. I don't see one clear cut starter out of all the players we've signed. Just backups and guys who could compete for starting positions. Unless something really big happens tomorrow when teams have to get under the salary cap and we miraculously add a really quality starter for a position of need, I can't see this free agency as anything other than a complete waste of time.

The approach the Jaguars are likely taking, to at least some extent, is that even with positions that have weaker classes, they will wait until the 2022 or 2023 Draft to try to find a more upside high end solution. 

One specific aspect of this strategy that I think opens itself to criticism is that Trevor Lawrence has a limited window on his rookie contract. The longer the Jaguars wait to have higher end players in place that are ready to play at a level needed to win consistently,  the less the Jaguars will take advantage of the window that Lawrence will be a bargain under the salary cap.

Ugh! That tells me that even if Meyer and Baalke are colossal failures, Khan is committed to sticking with them for the foreseeable future. I think I'm gonna be ill.

This is very true, but we're already treating free agency like we are strapped for cash and Lawrence isn't even on the roster yet. That doesn't bode well.
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Not a lot of noise on Fuller, Golladay and Samuel. Lets get Trevor some more weapons!
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Sydney Jones is better than Griffin.
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(This post was last modified: 03-16-2021, 01:24 PM by TheO-LineMatters.)

(03-16-2021, 01:19 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: CJ on the #1 and Shaq on #2 should be adequate. Shaq is def not a #1 cover guy though. Overpaid, but hey... thats FA. Good signing.

That lineup doesn't really instill any confidence in me.

(03-16-2021, 01:22 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: Not a lot of noise on Fuller, Golladay and Samuel. Lets get Trevor some more weapons!

The really good TE's are gone, so it's not happening. We have 3 solid, starting WR's already.
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Overpaid for Griffin.... wow
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(03-16-2021, 01:23 PM)Upper Wrote: Sydney Jones is better than Griffin.

When he's healthy, I totally agree.
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(03-16-2021, 01:23 PM)Upper Wrote: Sydney Jones is better than Griffin.

I saw a report that he would be resigning. So we have both now. Seems like it will make for great competition.
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We got a starting DL, Safety and CB. Now we just need to sign Fuller to make DJ Chark, Laviska and james robinson job easier and a couple of cheap expendable bodies because jaguar players always getting injured as the season goes on, and we good to win the AFC South.
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Malcom Brown would be a good addition
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Did Sydney Jones resign officially?
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(03-16-2021, 01:29 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: We got a starting DL, Safety and CB.  Now we just need to sign Fuller to make DJ Chark, Laviska and james robinson job easier and a couple of cheap expendable bodies because jaguar players always getting injured as the season goes on, and we good to win the AFC South.

Oh yeah man, don't forget baby JJ Watt going to have his breakout season maybe 1.5 sacks and smoothie king going to be that DUDE on the oline! Going to be great!
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I like the Griffin signing. He was injured last year. He's still young, if he can get back to form it'll be a good signing IMO.
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(03-16-2021, 01:37 PM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: I like the Griffin signing. He was injured last year. He's still young, if he can get back to form it'll be a good signing IMO.

The problem is his "back to form" hasn't even been very good. He has had 3 seasons of poor and 1 season of above average. The Griffin's just have bloated reputations because the media went gaga over the twin and Shaquem no arm stories.
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(03-16-2021, 01:01 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote:
(03-16-2021, 12:55 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: No way, what will the experts say now?

What if we were mistakenly talking to the agent of the other Shaq (Shaquem the LB) .... lol

Fun fact. We got him too
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CB SHAQUILL GRIFFIN: THREE YEARS, $40 MILLION ($29 MILLION GUARANTEED)
Grade: Below Average

Griffin has started on the outside since the Seahawks drafted him in the third round of the 2017 NFL Draft, but it wasn't until 2019 when he began to solidify his spot as a No. 1 cornerback in the NFL. That year, Griffin earned a 77.0 PFF grade — a top-10 mark at the position. His 19.7% forced incompletion rate ranked second among all cornerbacks who saw at least 50 targets in 2019. However, that year stands out as an outlier when looking at Griffin's other three NFL seasons following his regression in 2020 (64.1 overall grade).

Griffin will give the Jaguars some stability at outside cornerback along with C.J. Henderson, but this looks like a similar deal to the one Trae Waynes signed with Cincinnati last offseason — only with more guaranteed money. The Jaguars are paying a premium for a good, not great starting cornerback. Of course, they have the cap space to make moves like this, but even so, you still want to get value out of the contracts you’re handing out.
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(03-16-2021, 01:20 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-16-2021, 01:01 PM)D6 Wrote: The approach the Jaguars are likely taking, to at least some extent, is that even with positions that have weaker classes, they will wait until the 2022 or 2023 Draft to try to find a more upside high end solution. 

One specific aspect of this strategy that I think opens itself to criticism is that Trevor Lawrence has a limited window on his rookie contract. The longer the Jaguars wait to have higher end players in place that are ready to play at a level needed to win consistently,  the less the Jaguars will take advantage of the window that Lawrence will be a bargain under the salary cap.

Ugh! That tells me that even if Meyer and Baalke are colossal failures, Khan is committed to sticking with them for the foreseeable future. I think I'm gonna be ill.

This is very true, but we're already treating free agency like we are strapped for cash and Lawrence isn't even on the roster yet. That doesn't bode well.

I definitely believe Shad Khan will give Urban Meyer at least 3 seasons to demonstrate whether the Jaguars should continue to commit to his plan.  It's realistically possible Meyer could resign earlier but I doubt Khan will be making the decision for Meyer.

Because Trent Baalke is in more of a support role, I think he could be replaced sooner if his job performance isn't meeting the expectations of Khan and / or Meyer.

Having expressed all of this, by no means am I predicting this new Jaguars regime will fail.

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Guys, it appears to me we are going to build this team mainly through the draft. Historically the nucleus of a lot of perennial playoff teams are built that way. When TC came back we went down the free agent path. It produced our 2017 run as the foundation of the defense that year were acquired that way. While we had a great year it wasn't a long run. It also produced a few cap issues in later years. Who knows the right way, I certainly don't.
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(03-16-2021, 01:11 PM)Upper Wrote: Of course, Griffin was the fools gold signing of this CB class and we paid way more than projected again.

41. CB SHAQUILL GRIFFIN
A former third-round pick from the 2017 NFL Draft, Shaquill Griffin has been a starter for the Seahawks pretty much from Day 1, but it wasn’t until 2019 that the team really started to see plus play from him. That year, he posted a PFF grade of 78.0, and though he didn’t have any interceptions, he did record 13 pass breakups. He hasn’t managed to replicate that level of play this season, but he has been dealing with injuries and has still flashed high-end play, like against Miami where he didn’t allow a single reception all game long.

Griffin is one of two Seattle cornerbacks set to hit free agency (Quinton Dunbar), and both have dealt with injury issues for most of the year. After a 2019 season in which Griffin registered a 77.0 defensive grade and 76.0 coverage grade, he slid to 64.1 and 63.6, respectively, in 2020.

Contract Analysis: Healthy once again and with playoff football on the horizon, perhaps Shaquill Griffin can turn things around before free agency. He got off to a good start in that regard with a solid performance against the Eagles in Week 12; more of the same could change the narrative in a hurry before the season is over.

Prediction: Three years, $28.5 million ($9.5M APY): $15.5M total guaranteed, $8M fully guaranteed at signing.

Dude you're not overpaying enough! Let me get this sleep out of my eyes...YAWNNNN
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(03-16-2021, 12:09 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote:
(03-16-2021, 12:06 PM)DawgJag Wrote: It's obvious they are going with who they believe fits their scheme rather than going for big names. If you listened to Meyer this whole time, it really shouldn't surprise you. He's said multiple times that he believes there is no such thing as a bad player and they would lean heavily on fit and familiarity. 

Would I be happy with some big signings? Sure. But there is no reason to freak out over these signings like some of y'all are. How many times do we have to watch teams spend huge on mediocre players that we fool ourselves into thinking they're difference makers just to watch them fail miserably most of the time. Don't bother listing successful examples because they are the exceptions not the rule.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath. This is obviously a very young crowd. You plug holes in free agency and build through the draft. Besides there's still opportunity to sign a big name or two.

Dude we've been here for decades and heard this same old song and dance before. Get in the backseat already Mrs. Meyer...
So who were you the GM or coach for that makes your crying worth listening too
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